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Does anyone know if "From a Certain Point of View" is strictly canon, or open to interpretation? I'm reading it right now and really enjoying it, reminds me of the old "Tales from the..." books. Also, what other nuCanon books has everyone enjoyed/have on their to-do list?
Josiah Howard
For a bit there was no thread and I finally felt peace
Henry Sullivan
So I've been away from /swco/ for a while, to avoid the inevitable spoilers. But I've finally had time to see TLJ. Most mainline critics seem to like it. Sup Forums hates it (naturally). Opinion seems split on the broader internet. What is the consensus on it here, if any?
I liked it. A lot. But with a caveat. The film itself was great in and of itself, but the handling of the series overall, from film-to-film, is baffling. (Who was snoke, where the knights of ren at, etc). I still can't believe they went into this without an overall roadmap of the trilogy and it shows
Mason Garcia
>master race.....oh
Carter Martinez
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Nathan Cook
As far as I've seen, everyone in /swco/ hates it.
Jason Morris
That kid's montrals are stupidly long.
Is that the equivalent of being really stacked at age 14? Or is Ahsoka just a montrallet?
James Turner
Only the dead can know peace.
Nathan Wright
Well, I suppose they won't be alone, then. Shame, though. I genuinely thought it was exactly what we needed after lackluster TFA.
Ryder Hall
Montrals are the horns, the head tentacles are still called lekku on Togruta.
And yeah, Ahsoka's a leklet. I mean, shit, just look at her Rebels design.
Charles Butler
So are any Rebels characters going to make it into the ST at all? >Milf-Sabine taking on the FO when
Nicholas Ortiz
The resident Sup Forums posters we get hate it. Everyone else, myself included, pretty much agrees with you.
Joseph Bailey
No leklet bullying, pls
Angel Edwards
Wait, I thought lekku was the Twi'lek word
Charles White
Sabine dies a flat chested virgin. Digits will confirm.
Wyatt Lee
This is just blatant revisionist history. When the plot leaked, EVERYONE here went apeshit over what they did to Luke's characterization.
Aaron Brooks
Montrels are the horns Lekku are everything else
Angel Peterson
squeak squeak
Brody Foster
delet
Evan Cooper
I don't hate it but i don't like it, the part of ren and rey i like as well a the fleet slowly try to get to the planet, other then that snoke rose finn was bad
Matthew Ramirez
>everyone disliking it is Sup Forums user please, plenty of /swco/ regulars disliked the movie. We are probably 50/50 on this.
Robert Hill
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Brandon Cox
don't forget we're here forever
David Moore
Knights of Ren are former Jedi apprentices that Kylo stole.
Snoke will most likely be revealed in Episode 9 (hopefully) as a evil force ghost.
Jacob Allen
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Liam Price
>the shill deleted his posts kek
Kevin Rogers
I agree. Canto Bight was no great shakes. I loved the slow unfolding ship battle. Did anyone else get a real Battlestar Galactica vibe from that plot? Honestly it felt like a 'best of' mashup of strong BSG episodes. >relentless pursuit of the isolated good guy fleet >slow-burn peril revolving around fuel consumption and ordnance ranges >adama/leia gets hospitalized >colonel tigh left in command >young hothead pilot lee/poe doesn't trust them and disobeys orders It's not a complaint. I really liked it.
Isaiah Lopez
They hate is well deserved. The "Different is good" argument which is what I've heard most I'm not counting the feminist one because I don't to cause an off-topic shitstorm doesn't hold water, because it was different in the wrong ways. Most of the "being different" moments were done by attempting to subvert or deconstruct Star Wars tropes. Snoke's death for instance, was a subversion of the Emperor. Could be an interesting idea, but it was handled poorly and left the audience blue balled. Luke being a bum was a deconstruction of the mythical heroic mentor that everyone loves. Problem is this trope is subverted so many times in pop culture it's barely worth doing, and not only that, there are some characters that the trope just doesn't work with. I cannot think of a worse character to do this to than Luke Skywalker, as he is the arch-typical hero that conquered fear, hate, and evil with love, loyalty and compassion. He had already been established, and to deconstruct him like they did in TLJ was a slap in the face to everyone who liked him. myself included so I am a tad biased but fuck it.
Also, half the movie was filler on Casino planet. And not in the good way like Bespin or Luke's training. That might have something to do with it.
Christopher Scott
Here's a high quality scan of the first two pages of the TLJ VD.
Cooper Long
Wait. The rebels are still just out of range when they start to launch the shuttles, and the shuttles move further out of range being smaller and faster. But they they are revealed and suddenly they are in range now? The empire starts picking them off with precision, what happened to being out of range?
Sebastian Mitchell
It did not do a good job of it.
Eli Torres
>Battlestar Galactica vibe from that plot YES
Justin Thompson
Lee was never a hothead in RDMBSG
Oliver Thomas
They didn't have shields like the main ship dude. The main ship had a big shield generator.
Alexander Torres
Speak for yourself faggot, it's not as well liked as you think
Parker Diaz
Well, user, it's all canon, from a certain point of view.
Robert Taylor
>Jakku that close to the core Just doesn't feel right
Gavin Brooks
Poe mentions they were unshielded, so I figured the larger ships (shielded) were out of effective range of the turbolasers, while the smaller ships (unshielded) were vulnerable to even the comparably weak, long-range turbolaser shots. I've had to do a lot of mental gymnastics to make the fleet chase/hyperdrive kamikaze thing work in my head-canon
Alexander Edwards
Why does a 7km long Dreadnought only have 24 fucking point defense canons?
The Supremacy is 60km long and carries 8 Resurgent class SDs. Each SD carries 72 TIE fighters. That is 576 fighters not counting the 100s the Suprmacy already caries. The chase should never have happened.
Why didn't they go with the plot point that Luke fled to Ach-to in order to find a way to stop Snoke? He did leave a map so that he could be found.
This flick was shit and only marginally better than tfa.
Luis White
I hate what BSG did to modern sci-fi. Like, right down to the way it shoots its scenes bothers me.
Colton Turner
What is the MEGA missing? I have everything and can help
Xavier James
Shields have nothing to do with it, out of range is out of range And since when did lasers have a range anyway
Jason Allen
Solid response, lad
Jordan Robinson
No, you can see that the big ship was being fired upon but the shields were protecting it. Didn't you watch the movie.
James Gray
ALRIGHT /SWCO/ HIVEMIND TIME TO PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOU HIVEMIND IS AND HIT THE MARK
Though I agree with the chase being stupid Star Wars lasers are actually plasma bolts not real lasers.
Jace Nelson
the zooming in and out....for no reason
Jacob Barnes
>Sup Forums is dead certain that Mark Hamill looks sad after the TLJ premiere because Rian secretly killed off Mark without telling him and that its' the only "logical explanation" >not one of them considers the fact that Mark was fairly close with carrie fisher and this movie is dedicated to her and has several fairly emotional scenes with her in it
Luis Jenkins
I don't get why everyone was upset and Poe for leading the charge against that ship It would be like a commander getting upset at the Pilots who sunk the Bismarck because they lost most of the torpedo bombers. 6 bombers and 30 or so people in exchange for 5,000 not imperials and a massive ship is a victory is there ever was one.
Wyatt Johnson
Firefly was the first to do this kind of pseudo-amateurish camerawork I think BRAVO WHEDON
Hudson Foster
Anyone else actually kind of glad that Rian got rid of Snoke? I was pissed off at first, but the more I thought about, the more I realized that killing him would truly take the ST in a new direction. It basically forces JJ to actually try something new next time instead of ripping off ROTJ. Plus, no matter what sort of backstory or character they gave him, he’d still always function as a replacement Sheev. When you strip away the mystique fans built up around him, he was honestly a really generic villain.
Jeremiah Williams
>that second part
Stop making me feel, user.
Isaac Rivera
SO why not hit them with a heavier bombardment then, or send out tie fighters to do away with them?
Brody Adams
Why not both?
Dominic Gray
That's an interesting way to put it. If I understand right, you're saying that subverting tropes is just as hack as breathlessly rehashing them, in that both approaches just rely on retreading the same old ground? I see where you're coming from. If you don't mind me asking, did you enjoy it more or less than TFA? I honestly didn't mind Luke's arc. He fucks up, but he comes through in the end. Just like he's done before. Back then, he was too rash and ready to overcommit, consequences be damned. Now, he's too cautious and unwilling to commit at all, for fear of consequences. He's grown, changed, and is still growing. Better than the alternative. Plus, I liked how it incorperated the experience of the prequels rather than, like JJ, just ignoring it. I won't defend the snoke debacle though. That was bamboozling. They'll have to do something really good to rescue it in 9 (something like could do it)
Cooper Barnes
They won't force Snoke into a force ghost. They're still sticking to the Lucasian template and he was clear, no evil ghosties that retain their true persona.
Mason Cook
The only person he could be if you wanted to have a "WHO IS SNOKE???" reveal is Plagueis and that kind of undermines palpatine if he failed to kill his master and his master was stronger than him and more successful all along.
Eli Phillips
>Rian secretly killed off Mark without telling him
But Rian said he had intense discussions with Mark about killing off Luke beforehand and Mark was trying to convince him to save it for IX.
Jose Garcia
It's a good movie. Shame it had to build off TFA.
Leo Diaz
did we ever explain why anakin gets a force ghost?
Jacob Flores
I am really not a big fan of the bit where the great FO fleet slowly huffs and puffs after the youthful, energetic Resistance fleet.
Blake White
There has to be a reason everyone knows where it is and the defining battle of the GCW happened but no one wants to go there.
Camden Gomez
Better than TFA but the Disney playbook of "interrupt every emotional beat with a quip" and "our pacing only has one speed: breakneck" really gets tiring to watch especially for a movie this length.
Rey and Kylo were made much better characters compared to TFA but Finn's sideplot was at best boring. The movie insisted on being bluntly heavy-handed with its messages and metaphors, to a fault IMO. Star Wars has never been subtle but the preachy dialogue about the Rebel ideology every 15 minutes got stale.
Everyone knows the movie has plotholes. It waa enough to sour the experience for me but not others.
Truth be told my biggest critique is a minor one, why would you have a space opera setting and literally make humans the overwhelming majority of all the characters in the movie?
It was an alright single watch but I have no desire to watch it again. Better than TFA but that was probably the worst Star Wars experience I've had.
Jordan Williams
Am I the only one who didn't find TLJ really quip-ridden?
The only quip that made me go "come on, really" was the prank call at the beginning, but when it was revealed to be Poe stalling for time it made it a lot better.
David Thomas
The Last Jedi is the first good Star Wars movie in 30 years.
Lots of pacing issues and plot holes, plus character inconsistencies between various points in their character arcs, keep it from being great. I'm pretty sure you can cut the entire Canto Bight arc from the film and it'd be not only better, but no more confusing for the omission.
But it's still a really good film. The music and visuals are great, probably because this is the first Star Wars by an actually skilled director since George replaced all the talented people who worked on the OT. The core emotional arc between Rey, Kylo, and Luke works really well and everyone involved gives great performances. The action is really fun when it counts, like the opening with Poe or Luke's short but sweet duel with Kylo, despite the pacing dragging a lot during the second act.
Overall, I rate 86/100 - better than anything *since* the OT, but weighed down by too many plot and pacing problems to be on the level of the originals.
Aaron Moore
Lee was always disobeying orders and defying authority when he thought it was the right thing to do. And only a real hothead would get this fat protecting a planet of struggling subsistence farmers
Jace Young
Nah, I was fine with it too.
Jacob Green
He wasn't evilly and he's Space Jesus and also there was a subplot about him never being able to properly hear Qui-Gon that implies that he only ever heard him between ESB and RotJ that never got explicitly written in
Parker Lopez
Not to mention it would really just be fanservice. A Plageuis reveal would be totally irrelevant to most of the characters. Rian has pretty much admitted he thinks Snoke is boring and killed him off so that things could be more interesting:
>everyone involved gives great performances You know, as much as he's a big part of my childhood and I think he seems like a really nice, personable guy, this was the first star wars movie where Mark Hamill actually acted well and gave a good performance.
Gavin Ross
yes but they set him up as this powerful thing just to be killed off easy
but now ren is in control.....
Asher Sanchez
You're not alone. People act like it's a Tony Snark level quipfest. But it's just being sparing with dialogue in intense moments. It's no more 'quippy' than ESB's >that was too close >punch it >I know >you'll find I'm full of surprises >never tell me the odds and so on
Jordan Phillips
>we get a great Star Wars film >retards hate it because they didn't realize how far the OT characters had fallen in TFA FUCK YOU ALL
Adam Wright
I wouldnt complain seeing Grakkus on the big screen. For all we know he's still alive during TFA/TLJ
Lincoln Garcia
Yea the thing that baffles me is how the company that oversees marvel and their intricate and far reaching planning it okay with just letting the people in charge of Star Wars just make it up on the spot. Is there no overarching plan for them? Like JJ made TFA with no plans to take it afterwards? And now Rian did the same and then tossed the hot potato back to JJ? What are they doing?
Dylan Hill
I mainly hate the sequels because: 1. boring and uninspired designs - ships, mechs, vehicles, uniforms, locations, etc. are bad 2. lack of worldbuilding - Why is the new republic losing against imperial remnant larpers? Why are the protagonists called the "resistance" when they are the forces of the legitimate galactic government? Where is the first order getting all their funding and materiel for such operations? 3. inconsistency with previously established canon, with regards to their made up scifi explanations - Why didn't the first order include imperial interdictor technology (canon as per rebels) in their ships?
And of course, character assassinations but I guess that's debatable. The rest of what I said is true though.
Carter Ramirez
>It basically forces JJ to actually try something new next time instead of ripping off ROTJ My thoughts exactly. Even if it's irksome not to know who the fuck he was, and it gets left up to some novel, it might yet be a worthy sacrifice to make sure we don't get ROTROTJ
Noah Lee
>kylo is literally palpatine and hux or phasma are made vader >there's a hutt at the beginning >starkiller base has been rebuilt in the span of a year
predict how JJ will utterly fuck it up
Hunter Gray
He is, but he's fat as fuck now
Ian Sanders
that sound like a cylon skinjob talk?
Oliver Carter
For the last fucking time NO ONE FUCKING CARES FUCK OFF!
Michael Rodriguez
our guy JJ will include a 2 hour clone wars flashback
Carson Smith
I know, right? The fuck are they up to? And whose bright idea was it exactly? Did JJ just put the most generic rehashy script together and say 'and so, uh, I dunno. It probably just plays out more or less as before. You figure it out'. Do they really just not care? But as someone who liked TLJ and disliked TFA, I'm at least glad it wasn't planned out as a total OT rerun from the beginning, and later directors weren't then locked into making ESB 2.0, then ROTJ 2.0.
Jacob Martin
Check and compare it to the canon guide
Jack Sullivan
i disagree with this assessment.
Christian Thomas
6 > 8 > 3 > 5 > 4 > 7 > 2 > 1
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
Parker Watson
I assume he got fat off Battlestar nutrient bars. The food got sent to the Galactica for reprocessing and he just happened to be there when it got out.
Charles Bell
>Create Phasma to be a literal nobody who gets killed off as a joke in TFA >Her toy sales are miles above all of the other new characters >Gets her own cult following and fans get pumped to see her >Panic and retcon her so she comes back >Kathleen go one and on about how much of a pivotal roll she will play in TLJ >Gets her own novel >Gets a series of Comic books >Built up in trailer as having a major part >Has 5 spoken lines, a 20 second fight, and then falls into a giant explosion
Who wants to bet she'll be back as Crispy Phasma for the last one
Ryder Rogers
all of those are done with the quippiest characters of the OT literally Han.
Its fine for Han to be quippy because his character is the snarky rogue. WHY IS EVERYONE HAN IN THIS MOVIE
Hudson Rogers
TFA was literally that, yes. They got a clean slate.
The other films seem to have some thought behind them. But they still have the overarching plot of STAR WARS FOREVER.
Nathaniel Powell
>episode 9 opens with hux discovering he can use force lightning
what's the most horrible thing that could possibly happen?
Brody Rivera
>>Her toy sales are miles above all of the other new characters >>Gets her own cult following and fans get pumped to see her
Asher Mitchell
Reminder that only the films are canon
Hunter Bailey
What annoys me is now it's going to be set up that Fin and Phasma will have their final showdown in the last one, but there's no tension. Fin has bested her twice in a row and the hero has to win the last fight so why should we be scared for Fin, Phasma is so unintimidating It's a shame because I like the Actress
Henry Collins
I'm happy Johnson cornered JJ into making an original film. Killing off Snoke assures that there is no way for ep9 to be a RotJ rehash
Cooper Thompson
>finn is captured by Unkar Plutt and held prisoner on Jakku in a revealing outfit >long rescue plot that ends up with a fight on a never-before-seen "skimmer transport" >CGI Leia tells them the FO are building Starkiller 2, and Supreme Leader Ren is overseeing construction >Luke's force ghost tells Rey her parents are really Snoke and, uh, Maz. Or whoever. "Just like JJ wanted. Don't listen to Rian". He'll actually say those words. >Hijinks on a forest planet >Rey surrenders and is taken before Kylo. >They fight. Kylo regrets his life choices and throws himself down a chute.
Search your feelings. You know it to be true. >They
Robert Martinez
Gwendoline Christie is an amazing actress and Phasma is so intimidating with her voice
