Half the Internet is on fire because Disney released the Star Wars version of End of Evangelion

>Half the Internet is on fire because Disney released the Star Wars version of End of Evangelion
>People honestly think the MCU is still gonna play it safe.

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avengers 4 will be a soft reboot.

Thats not fair. End of Eva had decent action and doesnt treat its audience like idiots.

>Disney released the Star Wars version of End of Evangelion
what?

What happened in the new Star Wars movie that people hate? The last one didn't get this bad of a reaction. I'm not interested enough to see it but I'm curious to know.

>Force Awakens comes out
>"It's too similar! Make something different!"
>Last Jedi comes out
>"It's too different! Make it the same again!"

This. I haven't kept up with anything Star Wars related since the prequels, but did they genuinely fuck up this time or is it just more of the "baw the MC is a Mary Sue" complaints like with the previous movie?

It was just TOO GOOD

Movie treat the Luke like shit !

Was it too different though? Felt like a failed attempt of empire strikes back.

The only thing I know is they changed how sith light sabers are made.

Killed Luke off while confirming once and for all that they're not going to just pander to the old movies by having every character in the new one connected t the old cast I guess ,not sure why people are so butthurt about it

I've read the spoilers and I can see why people would be unhappy (I need to watch it myself before I can decide how I feel about it), but in what way is it the Star Wars equivalent of EOE?

Just because they killed off a character is the dumbest way possible doesn't make it deep and mature.

Hillary Clinton plot and rich are evil plot

So a true redpill, seeing the world for how it really is rather than the comforting lies of alternate facts.

>wasted Luke
>Luke was a villian for the movie basically
>not a single light sabers duel in the movie
>shitty storylines that add nothing to the plot like the casino
>General SJW Purple Hair Woman not telling Poe his plan to save everybody for no reason whatsoever
>snoke dies without having a backstory, character development, nothing
>rey is not trained to become a better jedi, she doubles down on the mary sue thing
and this is the worst part:
>dumb comedy taking a dumb on the tension

how is that related to eva at all

Except it's not good. Pink haired woman and Poe stupidly got most of the Resistance killed and they act like they just had a clumsy spill. The Casino plot goes NOWHERE!

Yeah, but wrappes up in an animal abuse subplot that felt straight out of free willy. Also, this movie makes no logical sense. Its the battle of five armies of star wars movies.

TFA got by on hype and drowning dissenters out, but people are starting to wise up now on how it made the OT, and by extension the whole saga, utterly pointless. TLJ just does more of the same.

I don't like to use vinesauce as a source but Vinny did a review of the movie and covers why it divides the fanbase pretty well
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>>snoke dies without having a backstory, character development, nothing

This pissed me off more than anything
Why even bother creating a mysterious figure behind the scenes only to have him die for no reason or explain anything about him or his relationship to the story and other characters
He could have been left out of the first movie entirely and it would not have had any effect on this one.

This movie just sucked out loud

"Too close" and "too different" are coming from two different sets of people.

The "too close" people already gave up with TFA because it already made the entire series pointles, while the "too different" people were those suckered by TFA.

I'm so glad I don't give two fucks about Star Wars anymore. It's so liberating to see the butthurt flow from an objective, third party pov.

Basic plotting and character interactions and developments.

Dont you dare compare the utter shit that is TLJ to a masterpiece like EOE ever again you faggot

Aside from actual film making flaws, like heavily splitting the cast and making some of those plot threads lead to nothing (aside from some character development for character who the movie clearly didn't care about anyway) and inconsistent tone, basically every question left in the previous movie was answered with nothing.

>Luke disappeared but left a map to find him? Why?
He just was bitter and wanted to be alone for years while the world burned, please forget the map.

Also, when he finally decides to act again it's basically in a sacrifice that just amounts to a distraction.

>Who is Snoke? How is his First Order so powerful?
He's killed without anything being revealed. Also, the First Order now reigns over the galaxy according to the opening crawl text.

>Rey's parents?
Two nobodies. She's just born out of nowhere with huge force potential.

We're basically left with Rey vs Kilo for the final movie, but neither one really has much of a strong presence. Oh, and there's a scene meant to hype Leia as a force user, but it obviously backfires due to the scene itself being bad and the real world context that means she can't have much of a presence in the next movie.

>killing ackbar
>killing luke
>killing snoke before the last movie or he did anything
>focusing more on the shit characters like rey and finn
>the ressistance being a matriarchy with no men in posistions of power
>shit subplot about “the evil rich boogeyman and child abuse” when most star wars movies tryd to make alien scenes cool and not a guilt trip over snot nosed brats
>faggot kylo ren being even more boirng

>He just was bitter and wanted to be alone for years while the world burned, please forget the map.
The map was to the temple and where he was left to his closest allies, not to randos from the military.

>She's just born out of nowhere with huge force potential.
Wrong. She was selected by the Force to combat Kylo's rapid descent into powerful dark force. Lineage hasn't mattered in Star Wars since the Chosen One was a random virgin birth.

>Kylo has no strong presence

Just because its different doesnt mean its not utter shit
Thanks for siding with disney while they ruin all media faggot

>caring about Ackbar
>caring about Snoke
>doesn't like any of the new characters

>muh culture war gamergate 2
Eat a bullet. You aren't hated because it's the wrong side, you're hated because you're fucking annoying. You have to go back.

>Superman Returns comes out
>"It's too similar! Make something different!"
>Man of Steel comes out
>"It's too different! Make it the same again!"

This is what you sound like. Sure, ignore the glaring flaws in both.

>devaluing my argument with a shitty reaction image
Also, only a faggot casual doesnt like ackbar, and hyping up snoke to do nothing with him was shit writing. All the new characters are played by poorly acting diversity hires. Get fucked in the ass disney bitch.
You drink bleach for supporting the degenerizarion of media you fucking traitor

Doesn't sound anything like Evangelion.

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>anyone who disagrees with my shit opinion is Sup Forums
Kill yourself, the movie was fucking shit no matter how many feminazis were in it

Evangelion took a shit on mecha anime casuals (robot is a fucking frankenstein mother soul, everyone gets murdered into tang, protagonist is a joke), TLJ took a shit on Star Wars casuals by giving them the middle finger (Luke isn't a paragon until the end, mysterious bad guy dies, Force = lineage is shat on) .

>SJWs and Latinos will get the good guys killed

pretty accurate

Thing is EVA was well written and thought provoking and had great characters, TLJ was horribly written and had shit twists because the faggot dorector thoight that somehow equaled good writing and had the worst main characters in the series

>The map was to the temple and where he was left to his closest allies, not to randos from the military.
I mean, his close allies were either out there fighting or dying. It makes no sense that he sets up a way to find him if he's needed, but now it turns out he didn't want people there, wasn't doing anything and didn't intend to do anything.

>Lineage hasn't mattered in Star Wars since the Chosen One was a random virgin birth.
I mean, the antagonist is Kylo Ren, from that chosen one's lineagfe, so I don't see how lineage didn't matter. And I'm not sure if we're supposed to take that explanation at face value considering how the movie also shows a random kid completely unrelated to the story with a lot of force potential too.

>Kylo has no strong presence
I'm not saying the movie didn't focus on him. But he doesn't really have enough of a screen presence to be the new main villain. He's a more well rounded character than Vader and the Emperor were in the original Trilogy, but that just makes him a worse character to take both of their positions at once.

What weirds me out about the Rey is nobody schtick is that's basically what Anakin was. Yeah there was the dumb immaculate conception shit but he was still some kid with a mom who didn't matter. So Rey doesn't have the Jesus shit or a handwave to midichlorians, but she's still clearly gifted, making the "force is for everyone" point hollow. It's not because her parents aren't famous that it magically means she's not privileged, it just makes her privilege look random and unexplained.

>TLJ took a shit on Star Wars casuals
That's why all the new fans love it, right?

>Thing is EVA was well written and thought provoking and had great characters

>Anakin and Rey existing means the other Jedi not picked by the Force to be their champion aren't shit
>people being better than other people naturally is bad
Did the Incredibles make you seething too?

>hating EVA
Get the fuck out underage fuck

> Killing someone i liked
> Killing someone I liked
> Killing a spooky dood before explaining him
> focusing on the new heros, continuing the theme of passing the torch from the old saga to the future
> leadership is transferring TO a male character as a sub-plot because no fucks are given about dick status
> sub plot about powerful weapons makers not giving a fuck about people dying muddying up muh clear good and evil
> I'm too close to his problem to recognise kylos problem

Nihilism was a mistake, user. It made you feel justified.

>thinks the Rey/Kylo vs Snoke's guard fight was amazing
Opinion discarded, this guy is either blind, retarded, or both.

If you didn't think that segment was great then you are just retarded.

>killing characters i liked that didnt need to die for no reason or were essential to the plot
How is that not a legitimate argument?
>focusing on the new heros, continuing the theme of passing the torch from the old saga to the future
Because the new characters are fucking cringey shit. How am i not justified? The new movies are fucking bullshit

>Disney released the Star Wars version of End of Evangelion
They didn't, they just didn't.

You keep saying "degenerization" in those threads. I feel I have to tell you that it isn't a word. You mean"degeneration" or "degenerescence". Not that it would make your point less retarded, but it would help.

>> sub plot about powerful weapons makers not giving a fuck about people dying muddying up muh clear good and evil
I was more mad they were trying to do “le evil aliens” trope and make audiances feel bad for liking the aliens when the cantina and jabbas palace marketed the fuck out of those scenes

David Prowse unmasked had more presence than that Starbucks faggot and he didn't even get to speak

A fucking SUIT ACTOR looked more impressive

Thats still a valid word you shit eating disney defending retard

>NO MUH NOSTALGIA CHARACTERS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
Don't worry they are releasing an OT movie every other year for your autistic ass.

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Snoke getting killed off before getting any development at all bugs me, especially since Phasma got a novel and comic mini series to develop her before her pointless return. He may have been a Palpatine knock-off, but if they cared so little about him that they allowed Rian to kill him off, then they shouldn't have let JJ introduce him in the first place.

>Lineage hasn't mattered in Star Wars since the Chosen One was a random virgin birth.

His mother was a Force user hence how she impregnated herself you mong
Stop apologizing for this garbage movie

>hurr durr you just like the shit characters who cant act so ill blame it on you being a nostalgia fag
Drink bleach

It just wasn't a good movie. They could have done so much better with Poe, Finn, Snoke, Ect. They wasted their best characters, the action was pretty lame, and the plot made little sense.

I feel like Disney is just taking a first draft of these movie ideas and not refining them at all. They need to get some former lucasarts writers/storyboard people in there to make sense of this idiocy.

It's not the director's fault if the writing is shit. I feel bad for the guy because you can see he did give a fuck about making a good film, but the script he was using was just garbage.

Prowse also actually looked like he could be related to Hamill.

Imagine if you have a movie where everyone ends where they started and you aren't sure if there are galactic consequences or if the conflict happens between two rival gangs.

Further, being honest about about the whole thing, imagine if:
>Plot points from TFA are dropped
>An entire B-plot of the film literally had no purpose and did not affect the sequence of events
>One of the most breath taking and awe inspiring shots of not only the film, but series, actually breaks the entire universe when taken into consideration (why even build a death star if you can just auto pilot ships for hyper speed into things)
>A main character from the original trilogy rehashes his entire inner conflict he faced and overcame in the original trilogy
>Opportunities to actually do something new were laid as bait and then snatched away
>A mysterious villain was summarily written off as a nobody who existed only so that another may step into his place
>The lore of the dark side and light were subverted by a rewriting of a main character's former understanding and reconciliation of the pair.
>dreadnoughts don't have shields
>Really off putting jokes
>An entire 45 minutes of pointlessness
>Smugness and snootiness preventing a 10 second explaination that would have saved 50% of the movie's in universe rebel casualties
>Crazy "I'm just resting young Skywalker" Empire Yoda being made the actual personality of Yoda

The list goes on.

When you have to make up a strawman to make your point, it's usually not a good point.
I never implied that there's anything wrong with innate privilege, I said they failed at making the point that there was despite trying. It's not about the message being right or wrong, it's about it being passed poorly.
Now

Even older, he looked like a proper Sith lord.

The OT leading into this heavily devalues it though. In my case I was never a big hardcore fan, just watched the movies, but disliking the whole direction of the universe with this movie makes it easy to just dismiss future Star Wars movies. I wonder how much of a hit those future projects will take due to the audience's heavily mixed reaction to TLJ.

>dey said da aliens were bad
They blew up Jabbas barge and killed all of his friends. What went wrong with millennials to make them so soft?

>It's not the director's fault if the writing is shit. I feel bad for the guy because you can see he did give a fuck about making a good film, but the script he was using was just garbage.
user...

>It's not the director's fault if the writing is shit
He wrote the shit script. Even if he didnt he was the director and had the power to change it. Fuck him

>continuing the theme of passing the torch from the old saga to the future

There was no torch passing there were asspulls
There was no character development to care it the torch is passed or not
There is little or no plot development to why we should CARE the torch is being passed nor was there a coherent reason
and the torch pass consisted of FORCE PROJECTION I'M HELPING! NO I'M DEAD!

They were still marketed as something to be cool and not some shit political message. Its like turning a loved villain into a cheap mockery of a politician and ruining his character. Shove it up your ass disney defending shit

It's a shame that he didn't get to be Vader when they took off the mask.

Luke's final duel helped weed out the plebs.

It has the worst choreography of any movie in recent memory. If you thought that was a good scene you're just another mindless Disney victim going "oooh, lightsabers!"

>Chosen by the Force
Since when did justifying a character being a Mary Sue by doubling down good?

>Spiderman dies
>"It's time for superheroes to end"
>all MC become black females
>Thanos is white male

There's nothing wrong with grey areas but I don't think Star Wars is the place for it.
>but redemption
from clearly evil to a clearly good act.

There's a dark side and a light side, there's no dimly lit side. Yes, it's stupid, but that's what Star Wars is, it's not the place to reinvent the wheel like Superman isn't.

Nevermind then, I didn't think he wrote that garbage. Rain should be ashamed of his film.

Unironically this. Forever. welcome to the future.

No, it isn't.
I'm not defending shit.

That... That isn't how that occurred user.

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When is that stated? And I mean in the movie?

They copied scenes and plots from ESB and RotJ.

I always got the Vibe that Thanos was a Black dude. Darksied too. Or maybe I just think niggers are evil. I dunno man.

Then stop corecting me like a faggot and be on my side then, asswipe

But Feige would be a massive improvement over Kennedy and Kasdan or whoever.

oh it certainly isn't stated in the movies. If anything the details of the birth are implied when Senator Palpatine is describing his former master being strong enough to create life. The poster is a literal retard.

Spoken like a true underage and/or snowflake. It doesn't matter if I get things wrong, If we are on the same side just agree with me. I come to echo chambers for a reason. I need love and validation.

If your not with me your against me, you disney sympathizing traitorous peice of shit.

Then stop making mistakes and pretending that Hollywood used to be a den of creativity before the Mouse nation attacked. It's like you people forget the OT wasn't the only thing to come out of Lucas Arts. And no, I don't even mean the prequels.

Luke was a bitter old hermit like every other jedi master in the series so far and didn't save the day with flippy wire-fu jedi karate like in the prequels the way they wanted.

Bruh, we're talking about dumb blockbusters, not war. Get some fresh air and a job.

>making onconsequential mistakes
Stop being a grammar autist then
>pretending that Hollywood used to be a den of creativity before the Mouse nation attacked.
It was much better before all the awful writing and quip shit we get now from disney
This is a war against disney ruining media

For me, the first two-third was boring. The rest was pretty good though

I'm not a Star Wars autist though

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End of evangelion was decent, The Last Jedi was fucking garbage that shit on all the previous lore and characters in order to push "MUH FEMALE POWA!"

Spoken like a true underage and/or snowflake.
No one is against you. Certainly not Disney. They are trying to figure out ways to divest you of your money in exchange for a service they put the money up for upfront. If they can't succeed then no one cares. There is no Malice there. No one wants to break your toys for the sake of it.

I love how this thread was supposed to be about marvel but turned into a star wars shitposting thread