American Voting System

Hey Sup Forums I'm planning to do a video educating people as to how America's voting system works and explaining pic related. What things should I say and include?

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slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html
politico.com/story/2012/12/keep-electoral-college-for-fair-presidential-votes-084651
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Rural America First! They fucking feed us or at least they used to until NAFTA

The Election is Based on State by state not how many voted as a hole........

At least they have this to complain about instead of just straight up crying for a dictatorship.

something like this
>States A, B, C, D, and E have a combined population of 100. State F has a population of 101. Fuck the other states, right? Even though it is the United STATES of America.

Oh nice, I can post that slate article.

That's actually a really good way of saying it.

The system was ratified by the people, or at least their representatives. And the people or their reps can change it.

Voters fraud, explain how millions of illegals will always vote democrat

THEY
DID
NOT
FINISH
COUNTING
THE
FUCKING
VOTES
YET

It only works when MY CANDIDATE wins.

>dumb liberals start civil war 2
>get bfto because they're all afraid of weapons

No matter what they do, we win

STATES RIGHTS BITCH

1. all the regular ballots are not counted yet
2. the military absentee ballots are probably NOT even going to get counted

so yeah STFU fagnip

Now take out all of the people who voted for Hillary who:

-Voted multiple times because they're deceased or were bused
-Voted illegally because California allows for non-citizens to vote

Then you can call about 'who the people chose'.

+1
Hillarians accepted the game rules when the polls showed they were leading. Complaining now is dishonest.

Remove the people who aren't citizens.
They aren't the will of the American people. Trump won the American citizen popular vote.
Thanks, Commiefornia for giving foreigners votes. 7% of people in US are illegals who voted.

That George Takei is a celebrity and in a lot of instances that celebrities speak out their overwhelming audience goes with it doesn't think for themselves. This causes both an uninformed and misguided society of followers and adds to the angry mob mentality.

Also, the rumbling of the unhappy masses that want to kill the electoral college means that California, New York, and Texas choose our president from population numbers, which is slanted.

Electoral collage makes it harder for voter fraud to influence the election

And this courtesy of a Belgian user

if there was a voting to see which country should rule the world, China would win with 1,357 million votes

Well then...

Really? When are they done countig then?

Make sure to include the fact that Trump is the projected winner of the popular vote, not Clinton.

Make sure to include this scenario: nypost.com/2016/11/09/the-one-scenario-that-could-still-get-hillary-into-the-white-house/

Exactly

The system is in place for a reason. It limits the power of huge cities.

We already have a problem within the states where these huge cities ruin the politics of the entire state. See NY, CA, IL

If you remove illegal voters and dead people, Trump won popular vote.

>anyone who disagrees with me isn't a person
fucking asians those soulless cunts

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012

Theoretically, sure.
But you'll have to prove it.

Seriously, WHY do you not need ID to vote? It's the most basic, reasonable thing ever.

I would say that California having such a high electoral vote total is disastrous.

Wait for the deployed military votes you homosexual chink.

>-Voted illegally because California allows for non-citizens to vote

Wait, what?! O_O

Because some people want to charge for ID

Isn't this exactly why there is the electoral system. If not, small states wouldn't have voice at all???

explain how the number of electoral votes isn't representative of the population total and generate "adjusted vote worth" values for each state based on the number of voters

The metric for victory was electoral votes. It was never popular vote. Neither candidate campaigned to win the popular vote. Now you're arguing to interpret the outcome by a different metric. That's like running a competition for a year about who can lose more weight, then complaining it really should be decided about who made more money during that year. They may even be correlated or related metrics, but it's not like it's a huge fucking surprise that electoral votes is the metric we use to decide the election. Everyone knew this going in.

If they had, who knows what the outcome would be. But right now you had people, on both sides, who simply didn't vote because their state was lopsided. You have 100s of thousands of ballots that NEVER will be counted, because they simply wouldn't change the finally outcome even if they were all for a single candidate. And you have pockets of fraud that no one cares to look into because it's not enough to change the state outcome. Dozens of phillie precincts with 0 Trump votes, Broward county's "slow count" and massive above average turnout, etc.

The United States of America is a federation of states, first and foremost. The election of the POTUS is the election of the leader of these states. The states each have their own demos who choose who they want to lead them, and these body politics are separate from each other by virtue of the constitutional federation layout of American society and government. Each demos gets its own say, and their say is balanced out by the whole federation's population with electoral college votes; this is a compromise concieved in the early years of the USA, to protect the sovereignty of the demos of each state (even the small ones) and to allow demographics to count as much as they can.

In short, the American people didn't vote for president as one body: there were 50 different body-politics based on each different state that voted for president, and the majority (balanced out with population-based electoral votes) voted for Trump to lead the states.

>the system elected Donald

The system is called The Constitution of the United States.

Anyone got picks of Romney voters getting salty about this same thing back in 2012?

A) 200,000 is negligible
B) fuck the dense cities.
C) the people elected trump

The rules is set, she did nothing to change them for 30 years.
Donald just played the game.

Make analogies like tennis matches.
6-0, 6-0, 5-6, 5-6, 5-6
Still give a win to the right hand side, even if the left hand side scored more.

If Donald planned to get the pop. vote, he'd have campaigned at NY and CA.
Since the game doesn't work that way, he didn't bother.
The strategy was set to comply to existing rule.

Commiefornia's vote never matter.

Does no-one else find it crazy how easily Trump won when the numbers started coming in . I stayed up myself until 8.20am here in the UK to see the whole process. I get the feeling that without such biased media ,both tv and paper, his victory would've been overwhelming. A fair coverage of both parties may have been almost a clean sweep win.

>Californians and New yorkeans
>People

Last I heard votes in some places were still being counted and they expected her to lose the popular vote aswell. She's already down from 300k to barely 100k in numbers. They still obviously run with the higher figures.

>Really? When are they done countig then?

Possibly never. In truth, we haven't had a 100% full count of the popular vote for any Presidential election. Anyone who thinks we have is just clueless.

Look at a state like Alaska. The outcome is known, the outstanding votes aren't worth counting. All those people that mailed shit in, why work to open those envelopes when they can't possible change the state outcome.

Nope

He won but don't kid yourselves

That's the thing, most of the states that weren't full counted were red states. Her advantage in the popular vote is almost non existant. If they counted all the numbers she's projected to LOSE that one aswell.

This one is good as well

I don't like catering to poor niggers

Does anyone know when they start counting military absentee ballots?

There's already a series of videos explaining how most political systems work.

I forget what it's called but it uses animals as examples.

That is LITERALLY why the (((media))) does shit like give one party 90% chance of winning.

The retarded sheep don't want to vote for a "loser". We've seen it time and time again.

They are "apologizing" now for getting it so wrong, and are making excuses of all kinds, but we all know why they did it and so do they.

Now you do as well

Interesting. Source? :)

So that way dead people and illegals can keep voting Dem.

So less than 140k people's difference.

>And we're most likely counting Mexivotes

Someone should ask him what he thinks about prop 8....

edition.cnn.com/election/results/president

>projected winner: Donald Trump

Can you even imagine what would happen in Sup Forums if Hillary had won the elections but Trump the popular vote?

Bunch of hypocrite fucks kek

People in solid red/blue states oftentimes don't turn out precisely because there's no point

so the popular vote isn't a pure reflection under this system

without the electoral college, smaller states would be hijacked by the priorities of a larger state, California would dictate every election

the USA is still just a collection of states operating under a federal system, not one big mess of a country

>be hillary
>have the banks behind you
>have major corporations behind you
>have every celebrity imaginable behind you
>get away with having 50+ people mysteriously kill themselves with 3 shots in the back of the head throughout your political career
>get away with any crime you want
>collude with the media
>bus niggers to metropolitan areas to vote for you
>release felons and restore their voting rights to vote for you
>bring in millions of illegal immigrants to vote for you
>think you have this in the bag
>you forgot to rig the electoral college
>ohshitmypants.jpg
>well there's no way they vote for drumpf
>they vote for trump
>trump wins
>tfw

If Trump doesn't do anything about that he's a lost cause.

>politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president

bunch of states are still not at 100%

Now deduct 40 million illegals

youre right

doesn't matter got trump
maga

we're a union of independent states. electoral college is so one state doesn't become too powerful, like CA or NY. they also are allowed to have their own voting laws even for federal elections, so it also keeps nonsense like not needing ID to vote in check.

Except no. He received the popular vote and the ec, im not sure where they got these numbers from

It doesn't matter. She conceded.

>Does anyone know when they start counting military absentee ballots?

It's not just military absentee ballots, but absentee in general.

In most cases, they don't. Everyone understands it's a winner take all electoral system. If you add up all the outstanding ballots, and even if they all voted for the current loser, would the outcome change? If not, why bother counting? There's no reason for an absolute accurate figure, just who won.

Same goes for entire states too. I think Michigan is still trying to figure out who won, maybe New Hamsphire too, but who cares? Even if they both go Hillary, Trump already won, there's no point in an accurate count.

1. There has never been a full 100% accurate popular vote count.
2. There probably hasn't really been an accurate electoral count either if the result is lopsided anyway.

What matters is who won, the margins by which they won have no impact on the outcome, so the margins don't need to be accurate.

Blacks and Mexicans aren't American. They're voter fraud.

>lost cause

He won and I think he'll make id a requirement

over half of shillary's votes are fraudulent

lel

include that the rules were preset and known, if it was a direct democratic election both campaigns would have advertised differently and the outcome can not be estimated by simply transferring current votes 1:1

>What things should I say and include?

>HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!
Yes, and?

>The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact.
It is not a fact. Voting is not an unbiased sample of US citizen opinion, nevermind the opinion of legal residents who can't vote.

>If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don't. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump.
They did not. No statistician has ever believed self-selected samples are capable of generating unbiased estimators. You don't know how many bluestaters stayed home because they supported Hillary, and you don't know how many bluestaters stayed home because they supported Trump. You don't know if people that voted for Jill Stein preferred Hillary to Trump.

The popular vote meme has to fucking die. We don't elect presidents that way, but if we did we cannot conclude Hillary would have won because if the system of voting changes then the behavior of voters would also change (Lucas Critique). You cannot assume that you may hold everything else the same and make this one change.

There is no reason at all to believe that Hillary would have won without the EC and there is no reason at all to believe that the majority of citizens preferred Hillary to Trump.

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The electoral college exists because California and New York City are radically different than Wyoming and Indiana and shouldn't be able to decide every election.

The EC ensures fair representation between states. Do you really think states would have agreed to join the union if other states with a higher population could overrule them?

That's tyranny.

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Liberals were for EC before they were against it.

slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/11/defending_the_electoral_college.html
politico.com/story/2012/12/keep-electoral-college-for-fair-presidential-votes-084651

Awesome. Not only they lost the score yet soon the ball possession as well.

Millions of immigrants living in metropolitan shitholes should not decide the fate of an entire country

America is a Constitutional Republic, Not a democracy

They did this to prevent Mob Rule

And make no mistake, many voted as a hole

Faggot

Cool guy

the media is failing to report this, and because of that, they are escalating tensions. the media is being completely irresponsible.

So the libs are just grasping at straws then? I did not realise that this was such a none-issue..

That the only reason for the electoral college is so that the president has to appeal to a diversity of voters and not just the more populated areas.

Ohio has a law that says you need a state ID to vote. they also make you say your name for them, what street you live on, and you have to sign your name and they look at the past signature to see if they look similar

Want any easy way to reframe their argument? If we're going to arbitrarily redefine the victory metric then...

Population of USA: 325,000,000
Hillary Votes: 59,250,000

On November 8th, **81.7%** of PEOPLE in AMERICA stood up and DID NOT vote for CLINTON. Why should she be President when over 80% of ALL AMERICANS didn't vote for her?

See, you can refrain the victory metric in all sorts of stupid ass ways.

hey CTR you can KYS now

The popular literally does not mot matter. They are grasping at straws. They're assuming that the amount of votes counted just transfers directly if we got rid of the electoral college. No one can say who would've actually won the popular vote.

State A has more people than State B and C
State A has more people in it
In a democracy State A would have way more voting power which is not fair

>when it doesn't work in my favor it's rigged
Fucks sakes. This needs to stop. The electoral college is there specifically to give a voice to underrepresented groups of people so that a majority in the cities doesn't decide every election. Fuck.

We wouldn't be car jacking black guys and beating them over their vote, no.

>most of the "people" lived in California or New York
>also the government and media really didn't want Trump in the White House

She "won" the popular vote despite being by far the worst presidential candidate of all time. That isn't possible without massive rigging. There are tons of reports of Democrats voting more than once, Democrats voting in other people's names including dead people, illegals voting without IDs, voting machines turning Trump votes into Hillary votes, Trump votes being thrown away, Democrats intimidating Republican voters, Republican polling center workers being kicked out so the Democrats can rig away, polling centers in Democrat areas staying open longer than they were supposed to, suspiciously high Democrat vote totals in certain Democrat counties run by major DNC officials, and of course all the fake polls oversampling Democrats to demoralize Trump voters. We already have huge amounts of proof they rigged the Democratic primary. You can be damn sure there was a ton of globalist-sponsored Democrat fraud in the general election, and yet Trump still won in an electoral landslide.

If you throw out the electoral college and only go by popular vote, youre asking the candidates to do some true civil-war level subversive politicking.

Trump was something like 2 million votes in the lead until California was counted, and HRC probably got at least 2 million from los angeles alone. If you allow a candidate to pander to only certain major cities with high population density and pit places against each other, just imagine what the jews could do with 10 years of planning and gerrymandering and mass immigration.

It seems archaic, but its necessary in order to stay in a union at all.

These fucks weren't alive in 2000?

This shit is hillarious and retarded AF.

tell them to get a noose, wrap it around their neck and kill themselves.

TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR. TO. CIVIL WAR.

To.
Civil.
War.

So basically some votes count more than others depending on where you live? That equals creating First-class and second-class citizens.

Tell them not to worry, Donald Trump will promise to remove the electoral college when he gets a second term.

Hopefully he will get rid of allot of people who should not be able to vote in the USA and the Electoral college will help republicans after that.

It has helped the democrats for the longest time anyway as they can focus all of their indoctrination efforts and migrant housing in a few specific states which gives them a quarter of the vote outright.

requiring proof of identity to vote is racist because it would disproportionately target minorities!

t. democrats

digits confirmed. didn't finish counting and she CONCEDED.

>mexico calling montana first class citizens

It's too early for that, holy shit