What posesss a man to defend feminist whining and decry all forms of male sexuality and dignity...

What posesss a man to defend feminist whining and decry all forms of male sexuality and dignity, and becoming a traitor to his gender?

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A collection of poor decisions and misconceptions.

This is the guy who thinks that anything with a Teen and Mature rating is edgy, and that Metroid Prime were somehow bad for being "dark and gritty" despite the entire metroid series being dark and gritty.

Desperation for getting laid.

How the hell did he pick Batman for "biggest Mary Sue" instead of Superman? I mean, really. He can't even be a proper dumbass.

>This is the guy who thinks that anything with a Teen and Mature rating is edgy
Christ what a child, is he really so immature he gets triggerd by anything mature at all? Is he like afraid of violence or something? No wonder he sides with women, hes a fucking pussy

The biggest Mary Sue is Ensign Mary Sue.

>Desperation for getting laid.
This. It's absolutely hilarious how many male feminists just so happen to be actual rapists, serial sexual molesters or pedophiles.

She's not the biggest, she's just the archetype

>biggest mary sue is a man
>not the character who coined the tern, Mary Sue, from the star trek fanfiction in 'zine of days of yore

its like people learn these terms and not know their origins

Being a virign past the age of 30

Soy and the lack of a national socialist government

And the best part is that he doesn't know that male characters who fit the mold are called "Gary Stu" for obvious reasons.

People should stick to their own gender

True, and its utterly pathetic about how much indignation and humiliation men will endure in a vain attempt to get laid, even though these women hate sex

I agree that its fucked up, but where does soy equate in all this? I thought the term meant they were just weak, not that soy had a literal involvment to them being the way they are

Broscience about soy making you a tranny since some speedrunner sperg drank a bunch of "soylent" and decided he was a she. It's not actually true but don't tell that to Sup Forums or the Onionmen of /fit/.

most people i know use mary sue as an umbrella term, but to each their own

Nah, that's a lie. A big part of mary sue is being loved/adored by all the good guys, never getting criticised by good guys, etc.
Batman gets constantly shit on by friends, family members, other superheroes, even gordon. And with good reason, at times. He's not a sue.

Here's the thing. Female characters are sues more often than male ones, because
>being well liked by all/behaving in an approved/adored way/etc
is an idealised female trait. Not a male one. Guys can be lone wolves who don't give a crap about society, while women are supposed to be people pleasers. Hence self-insert ubergood-women characters tend to fall into suiesm more often.

Batman IS a mary sue.

Feminist demands also push characters to being Mary Sues. Can't imply that a woman and by externsion all women in the world might have flaws or something.

Batman never defeated the Joker. In fact, he never even did the one thing that’s necessary

Male “feminists” are in 99.9% of cases gay or beta orbiters who think whiteknighting makes pussies wet

You know

>Grrr! Penis bad!
>Hard penises worse!
>Ree!

As if it will somehow make their blue haired skrillex cut rockin’ chubby oneitis stop fucking the very type of alphas they claim to hate so much

Kinda weird how all of his “webcomics” show him as some high intellect person who is all wise and powerful and everything he preaches is supposedly true

Except he isn't.
Batman is not a Sue. At all.
The defining trait is not defying odds or being OP (and the notion he was too powerful is laughable in a world of immortal gods and mind-controlling speedsters), but to be better than the established specialists at their job, never called on their shit and undeservedly beloved by all.
Batman is often reviled, spiraling into darkness or utterly inferior to others.
He doesn’t have any red flags in his bio, either. He is not mysterious, an alien or some shit. His flaws are at times obsessive and callous behavior, depressive or psychotic episodes. No bullshit Sue flaws like being too nice or a bit clumsy.
Where the fuck does he get this stupid idea?

what is BDSM?

Wasn't it a parody tho?

His comics don't show that at all, though. They pretty much out him as the feeble, delusional hypocrite that he really is.

But men get enjoyment from that, and feminists hate men finding any pleasure or sex at all

He is no man.

They actually did research on this. Liberals have a harder time honestly looking at things from other POVs. They also have an over inflated idea of their own prowess. People who want superpowers are more likely to think liberal.

>Except he isn't.
>Batman is not a Sue. At all.

Yes. He is.

Pussy

>They actually did research on this.
[citation needed]
>Liberals have a harder time honestly looking at things from other POVs.
Maybe they're just assholes. Like non-liberal assholes. Assholes on both side of the imaginary political spectrum, shocker.

Batman's a Marty Stu simply because of how writers write him. When writers do Superman, they have to work to give him a challenge. When writers do Batman, they often give him too much power.

that's gay

The perfect counter-argument. How will user ever recover from this?

He's not. Sues don't get rightfully shittalked by good guys for occasionally or constantly being awful persons.
From Alfred to Gordon and from Clark to Dick, everyone calls Bruce out on his shit.

Congratulations, you just proved you have no understanding of what the stereotype even is.

Batman is more like a godmoder, not a Mary Sue. The difference matters.

i don't judge how they get their rocks off but that sounds hilarious in a double negative kind of deal.

>i want you to dominate me by refusing to dominate me because your refusal arouses me.

>People who want superpowers are more likely to think liberal.
I agree with you on everything except this. Realistically, who doesnt want superpowers?

We all know there are hundreds of definitions for Mary Sue, but what a lot of people don't get, is that it doesn't matter how mary suey a character is, if it is well written. The greatest sin in writing is a boring character, not a mary sue. Actually, a lot of great characters can be defined as mary sues if you only take the surface definition.

Suuuure, Barbatos.

Do you think there should be a character study story about male feminists? It feels like there's enough pathological baggage with these guys that you could actually make something pretty deep with all of it, but the subject matter is so pathetic it makes it difficult to really want to make a story about them.

Peter Parker

No. By definition, a Mary Sue is uninteresting because they face no adversity through the story, and can never do any wrong, therefore they never really grow or change, and if that;'s the case what is even the point of them?

What the fuck are you on about?

There was a webcomic or something that was storytimed on Sup Forums years ago, about the original Mary Sue from that one Star Trek fanfic. I thought it was pretty good stuff.

A character growing or changing is not the only measure of a good story.

He does it again!

I don't know, Frank Miller.

>The greatest sin in writing is a boring character
Exactly, as long as there enjoyable thats all that matters. Thats why i fucking hate rey.
Yes, i seriously want to know why soneone would literally make themselves into a submissive slave to someone who hater their kind

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Miller's Batman was a maniac, though.
A brokenman and violent vigilante.
And an Objectivist. Which is by itself sign of a brainlet.

I never said it was. But it sure makes for a boring character when they never ever fail, can never do any wrong, and never are really at any risk of fucking up.

This isn't even really about the story, its about how the character works.

I disagree, static characters may not be well written, but they can be a lot of fun.

Static characters can work. Keep in mind that static =/= Mary Sue, and that's why so many people get the term wrong.

Why are people so dumb? A Mary/Gary Stu is not a powerful character or one with plot army. It's a stupidly idealized character.
Batman isn't a gary stu regardless of how much plot armor he has because he's hated by many and gets shit on all the time. He's both a manchild and borderline insane AND gets called out it.

Fuck you Dobson

>What posesss a man to defend feminist whining and decry all forms of male sexuality and dignity, and becoming a traitor to his gender?
Pussy or the chance at some. Guys like these think that White-Knighting to an extreme degree like this will score them a chance with the feminists they run with, they're house niggers and uncle toms. The sad thing is they end up being some of the most sexist, creepy fucks who are more likely to get accused of Winestineing than you or I.

I'm glad libcucks are SEETHING from the net neutrality repeal by BASED Pajeet

I don't think he really gets what a "Mary Sue" is. Which isn't that shocking, really, for him to get such a narrow definition and apply it so poorly.

Also, has nobody mentioned the fuckin' irony? Author self-insert, idealized? LOOK AT THE BLUE FUCKIN' BEAR.

Then we agree that the problem is not the mary sueness of a character, but the lack of conflict that it can lead to, which makes for boring characters? I am a firm believer that mary sues can and have been well written.

Sup Forumschads are not assholes, soyboy

Depends on the writer. Some write him flawed, others don't.

Fuck that shit eating gaghei fucker, you retarded corporation loving conservacuck

This thread isn't even about that. Shut up.

It all depends on the person writing him. Some writers like to self-insert as Batman (lookin at you Morrison) while others like to aggressively shit on him. Most writers take the middle road an make a competent guy who's completely fucked up

>I hate most media for sexualizing women and treating them as objects
>I love Metroid: other M

PICK ONE YOU FAT UGLY CARE BEAR

I think in all honesty, when I hear about Mary Sues, its the stupid idealized super ultra special snowflake, mega powerful characters who can do no wrong.

Like, back in the late 90s and early 2000s, when everyone was writing their super unique comic characters, just just sound like terrible, dumb, uninteresting fanfiction vomit-fests.

>M-my character is a catgirl princess!
>She has heterochromia because she is special!
>She has a pet sidekick friend that lets her talk to animals!
>She can use magic!
>She can use magic because she is the reincarnation of God who died sealing away the ancient evil!
>Her parents were killed, and on their deathbed, they gave her the her special jeweled necklace that gives her the power to make invulnerable energy shield!
>She's the last of her race!
>She's a master of all weapons, and can speak every world language!
>She's the main character's love interest!
>The bad guy once made her cry, and all her friends reminded her of how perfect and beautiful she is!
>She also has a special power that allows her to turn into a dragon!

Wait, what? Dobson? Being wrong? You just blew my mind, man!
Also, Carnevale.

>They also have an over inflated idea of their own prowess.
over inflated, you say?

Dobson is a total fag/soyboy and while this comic is unfunny - he is correct in pointing out that batman is a marysue.

"Muh preptime"

he's not wrong in this case

The worst is that some traits have become taboo for a character to have, for fear of being called mary sues.

...

Isn't Dobson so much of a Retro Nintendo fanboy that he shits on anything Modern Nintendo does?

>Desperation for getting laid.
In some cases, sure. But I don't think that's what's going on with Preston.
I think he is addicted to positive reinforcement, because of his - and pardon the pun - inflated ego. Based on what I've heard about his mother (like the fact that she tried to get him a job in illustrations, no steamy gossip, I'm afraid), I'd guess she always told him he's the next Leonardo, and now, like a validation junkie, he'd debase himself for any sign of approval from his peers.
And since being an SJW on the Internet seems to work for everybody else, he decided to give that a whirl, because it's marginally better than doing weird fetish porn.

When was the last time Batman beat anyone with offscreen preptime? They replaced preptime with the batfam years and years ago.

So this man is competely unaware and an idiot right? Like, I'm sure he looked it up online and almost all definition of that term also has it's origins of mary sue of star trek fan fiction fame.

He pretends he is. Like, he has this huge autismo obsession about Link having brown hair

Mary Sues can get shat on by everyone else, if it boils down to a pity party for the character, and stems, somehow, from the Sue being better than them in some way.

>So this man is competely unaware and an idiot right?
The biggest.

So what’s Dobson life gonna be like in ten years when’s he’s completely faded into obscurity

I think moviebob is the bigger manchild.

Tell me where the pony touched you.

>changing font as a form of visual communication
Dear god he's actually learning

My theory is that he's an introverted narcissist.
He's too full of himself, thinks his worldview is the only one that matters, and this whole SJW thing is his attempt at masquerading as a normal human being that you see other sociopaths and narcs try to do to fit in and be liked because they want to be liked.

And when you tell him to fuck off or try to help him get better like some of the industry professionals did, he won't react to your face but he'll retreat to his hidey-hole and start writing passive-aggressive tweets about you as retaliation. He'll talk shit about you to everyone but you.Or if he actually wants to give an apology, he'll just give the usual non-apologies that you hear narcs give: "I'm sorry that you were upset", "It's not my fault I didn't get hired to work at Disney", "I didn't mean it", "It wasn't that bad", "It's just a prank bro", "...but I'm not going to change anything.", etc.

He could just very well just be a beta bitch/asshole but I think he's got years of posts to demonstrate that he's more than that and actually a full-blown narc.

I hate this guy to death but he's not totally in the wrong here. Batman is shit and so are people that read Batman.

Animated series was god-tier tho.

Okay who is worse? Bob Chipman, Aaron Diaz or Dobson?

The Mary Sue hysteria seems to stem in part from today's obsession with realism/"realism." Characters must be deeply flawed and weak, just like all real people ever. The story must be dark, gritty and morally grey, just like real life is everywhere at all times. Flawed people doing flawed things in a flawed world, and everyone gets raped because that's how things are in real life. Game of Thrones is now the face of the fantasy genre, and every reboot has to be like Nolan's Batman without understanding why his movies were like that.

Everyone is also now an armchair writer with a deep (mis)understanding of baby's first writing principles. Every character must have a glaring flaw, every character must dramatically develop, every story must have a plot full of twists and turns. These are the rules and you can't go against them.

Aaron Diaz.

Dobson actually makes more than zero (0) comics a year.

Definitely Dobson blobs a fat sack of shit and a man hold but he at least makes content and has opinions that aren’t complete shit just a little cringy

but he is right

How is being a sjw better than doing weird fetish porn??
SJW would string you up in a second if you don't 100% agree with their Ideals. The fetish people are at least loyal to ya.

Revenue for clicks dumb fucks.

You're right. And I hate it with a passion.

>stupid idealized super ultra special snowflake, mega powerful characters who can do no wrong.
So, Steven Seagal's action movie characters?

Mary Sue isn't a real thing. It's just became a lazy critique for twats who don't know there ass from their elbow.

I miss when characters where allowed to be good at shit

Fetish people in this case (inflation) are 99.9% males. SJW's are mostly women, and he thinks he can get his cookie wet with them.

Of all the problems with Dobson you pick that? Either you don't read comics or you're a dense one.