Batman becomes one of the best fighters in the world after training for 15 years

>Batman becomes one of the best fighters in the world after training for 15 years
"That's unrealistic, DC is shit!"
>Captain America becomes one of the best fighters in the world after training for 6 months
"BASED MARVEL!"

Did someone say 4 months?

>Captain America becomes one of the best fighters in the world after training for 6 months
You are wrong. He wasn't good in the beginning.
But 4 years in war taught him how to fight. Batman doesn't have that experience.

Stop trying to start shit. Steve's the best not just due to his training, but the experience he accumulated afterwards. And the same goes for Batman, honestly.

>But 4 years in war taught him how to fight.
How? How fighting in a war against young germans that don't know how to fight makes you the best fighter in the world?

>dodging shotgun blasts
How.

Cap juices, Batman is natty.

6 months training.

>claims that never happened

no Batman is the best because he has a photographic memory and spent a much longer time learning everything about combat.

Cap was just a literal who fought in the war and then got coma'd

Cap is the skinny dude. Read the text of turn off the serum.

>Steve beating multiple Super-Soldiers without the serum
That 6 months training really paid off.

Reminder that this guy is a capfag falsflagging, he isnt a DCfag.

Also Steve is far from that level and this guy is so retarded that doesnt understand that "combat" impliest a really different thing


t. Mattfag

>>dodging shotgun blasts

Tell me one character in comics that can't do that.

You’re forgetting Zemo, Hydra and Zola’s monstrosities

What does "combat" implies?

>Batman doesn't have that experience.
Multiple martial arts masters > General Dickhead

Military combat systems designed to be useful on the field. RAMBO can't beat Kato on a fight. If you want to make a thread about captain america do it, don't tray to bait people or pretend to be a DCfag.

>Multiple COMIC martial arts masters

Steve always wins against trained martial artists.

>against trained martial artists.
That arent physically on his level.

But that is beside the point. Saying Steve is anywere near Shang Chi level is retarded.

Steve and Logan are in the second tier. Steve sure can fight and beat people in the first one, but that's only due his extra strenght and the shield.

Batman didn't train to fight for 15 years

he'd already been Batman for 5 years at the age of 25 as of New 52; possibly longer unless you explain Damian as a pre-Batman thing

which means the longest 10-year old Bruce Wayne could have trained is 5 years but even then

there simply isn't enough time for him to have mastered all the skills he claims to possess

whereas Cap had US Army fightin' trainin' erry day for 6 months, then like four years of war, then got froze, then spent the last like 15 years or whatever the sliding timescale is at learning from everyone from outer space assholes to gods to drunken billionaires

so he started out Army Stronk and got better, but was never presented as CapGod in his early outings, unlike the Batfag

1- Batman didn't srtar as Batgod.

2 - Even in Zero Year he only goes back to Gotham at the age of 25.

"It's okay when Marvel does it" isn't a good answer. If Steve Rogers can become the best after 6 months of training and 4 years fighting young, ill-fed germans, then Batman can become the best after 15 years if training.

Steve fought super Nazi bullshit and stuff, he wasn't just fighting underfed Germans. Steve has also trained with the best in his tenure as Cap.

>Steve has also trained with the best in his tenure as Cap.
Yeah, for 6 months.

>>trains constantly
months

And you think Batman simply stopped training?

Also, where's the fag that said that Steve had no chance against Shang Chi? 6 months of training can get you very far in the Marvel Universe.

>he'd already been Batman for 5 years at the age of 25 as of New 52; possibly longer unless you explain Damian as a pre-Batman thing.

M8, bruce wasnt some random kid, he had potential to be peak human since he was a child, he (just like cass and MVP in marvel) had already perfect genes.

I didn't say he stopped. I'm just pointing out that Cap didn't go "welp I've got 6 months of training I'll never train again"

No one said that in this thread, also, don't be retarded.

There's no such thing as "best fighter" in the world. There's so many variables in every bout of combat that saying someone is definitively the best is fucking stupid.

>There's no such thing as "best fighter" in the world.
It's written right there that Cap is the best in the whole world.

6 months of training.

>It's written right there that Cap is the best in the whole world.

Read again

I thought anyone could be Batman. That’s not true if Bruce is some kind of “peak human”.

>Batman didn't srtar as Batgod.
As soon as he puts on the cowl he’s Batgod

He got his shit rocked pretty hard in Year One.

Bruce has being peak human since 1939, he was never just a normal guy. He was created as Doc savage, zorro, tarzan, conan, etc
HUMAN PERFECTION, the whole batman is just a normal guy that knows kung fu is extremely casual shit.

Okay, I'll reply to the blindingly obvious shitposting. Just this once.

Cap is good at two things: fighting and giving orders. Things you'd learn in a way.

Batman is good at EVERYTHING to an unrealistic degree. There simply isn't time in the day to work on and keep in practice on all the things he supposedly knows even if he weren't out patrolling ten hours a night. He'll fall over from sleep deprivation or become a stim addict inside a year.

>He got his shit rocked pretty hard in Year One.

The first idiot calling him batgod doesnt know waht batgod is, but bruce was peak human in year one, he wsasnt the batgod yet. But he kicked down a tree that had one meter in diameter.

Meme martial arts are a serious thing.

Cap learned those things in 6 months, while Batman had 15 years to get to his level.

Judging by his feats, Ted Kord

>6 months
Source: your ass. By the time we see modern era Cap he had four years of intensive training on top of a superhuman physique. It's not unreasonable that he would become a very good fighter in that time.

>How? How fighting in a war against young germans that don't know how to fight makes you the best fighter in the world?

When those Germans are a part of a grand coordinated effort and are capable of filling miles and miles of area with lead and shrapnel that turn ordinary men into ground beef, I'd bet my ass that it teaches you a shitton of focus, patience, and fighting skill when all your weapons are your fists and a metal disc.

By Jove! what if we build out cars out of trees?!

>Source: your ass.
Source: comics.

With 6 months of training, Captain America was skilled enough to win against armies singlehandedly. This is canon.

In the Marvel Universe, you can do in 6 months what takes 15 years to do in the DC Universe. But people have a problem with Batman being good, but not with Captain America being even better with much less training.

>Lead and shrapnel made Captain America the best fighter in the world?

>nd fighting skill when all your weapons are your fists and a metal disc.

And guns, tactical support, people behind him, etc. As people pointed out, steve is among the top fighters but he isnt uber tier, and he was far from being among the best before his avengers years between crossbones and the championchip (where he wasnt peak human anymore but outright superhuman) he actually got in the top.

Are you seriously are still trying to pretend you are a batfag?

>But people have a problem with Batman being good, but not with Captain America being even better with much less training.
>Captain America
>Better than Batman
At fucking what? The only time they encountered it ended in a draw.

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>Draw
It ended with Batman admiting that Steve would probably win the fight and later, Steve kicked Prometheus' ass without breaking a sweat when Prometheus was using Batman's fighting skills.

6 months vs 15 years, and Steve is still the better one, yet people have a problem with Batman being good.

>It ended with Batman admiting that Steve would probably win the fight and later
No you idiot, read it again.

The guy is an underage casual m8, what kind of retard do you think would post a thread pretending to be a dcfag or batfag just so he could argue against his own first post. He doesnt understand basic english.

>conveniently ignoring the Prometheus part
Why don't you want to admit that, in the grounded and realistic Marvel Universe, it takes only 6 months of training to reach Batman's level?

>>conveniently ignoring the Prometheus part

Same reason why i ignore that batman rekt based batroc in one panel, also that wasnt the original prometheus.

>in the grounded and realistic Marvel Universe
You should of just said that was your real gripe and started with that like you did last time.

Batroc gets fucked all the time by people weaker than Batman.

And the Prometheus doesn't matter, what matters is the helm. Captain America, with his 6 months of training, beat Bruce's 15 years of training easily. Am I lying?

>Source: comics.
Nope. Still your ass. Cap probably got by on being borderline superhuman for a long time. He didn't fight many top notch fighters. You're making an unfounded assumption on how long it took him to get genuinely good. The "Cap is the best" stuff didn't start until well into his Avengers run.

>young, ill-fed germans,

He was already on ice by the time Berlin fell.

Stop.

Accept that 6 months of training in Marvel = 15 years of training in DC.

You are a moron.

6 months (+4 years of fighting in a war) to learn martial arts, commanding and throwing a shield.

15 years to learn 200 martial arts, accumulate dozens of degrees and masters worth of knowledge, mediation, mystic bullshit, etc.

>Batroc gets fucked all the time by people weaker than Batman.

Yes, they turned one of the best fighters into a jobber, that doesnt mean shit, just like prometheus.

Yes. You are.

>Cap probably got by on being borderline superhuman for a long time. He didn't fight many top notch fighters.


He was superhuman for most of the 90s until vol 4, then he became "enchanced" when bru took control.

You forgot that while bruce had potential to be peak human and natural skills he also had to transform his own body, post crisis he wasnt peak human until after jason's death.

>15 years to learn 200 martial arts
200 martial arts that are still inferior to Cap's "combat field" fighting style learned in 6 months.

>accumulate dozens of degrees and masters worth of knowledge
His only degree is in criminology.

>mediation, mystic bullshit
That doesn't take long to learn.

>Cap juices, Batman is natty.
THIS.
Batman is a dude who works out ( in theory, although how exactly he runs a company during the day, AND parties with bimbos/attends charity events at night, AND FIGHTS CRIME INTO THE WEE HOURS/HANGS AROUND THE WATCHTOWER ... and still finds time to put in some sparing and freeweights is anyone's guess ).

Cap is literally the definition of "Peak Human" in the MU. He IS the line between human and superhuman. And being Cap is his day job.

>>Why Transformers can climb trees

are you still mad about that Fudd?

>Saying Steve is anywere near Shang Chi level is retarded.
yeah, that's one of the things that really bugs me about Remender's Secret Avengers. Having Cap being Shang Chi was stupid. It was just training, but Shang Chi should have been teaching Cap how to fight better, but it was the other way around

Batman was blessed with good genetics, and he traveled the world for a decade learning from the best and working out nonstop.

Now when you take into account all the OTHER insane skills Bruce has -other languages, business skills, engineering, chemistry, detective work, acting, driving, piloting, hang gliding, mathematics, physics, etc, etc, then yes, it’s bullshit that a normal human can learn to be the best -or even “good” at all that stuff in a single lifetime.

But focusing on the combat stuff alone, I’ve got no trouble buying that Bruce could be a top tier fighter (he was never supposed to be THE best) after his decade plus training before he even became Batman.

I’ve got not trouble believing Cap can be top tier as well. The serum improved EVERYTHING. His capacity for learning and remembering is peak-human or low-level superhuman. He didn’t train for as long as Bruce before the war, but he picks things up faster, bounces back from injuries faster, doesn’t get fatigued, etc. Bruce might take a day to master a new kick or punch, Steve only has to be shown once. It might take weeks/months for a new technique to become muscle memory for Bruce, Cap has it right away. It would take Bruce years to master a single combat technique, but Cap could probably become proficient in a couple of months. Steve would learn faster, make fewer mistakes while training and take less time to recover from injuries. He’d get more out of his six month triaining period than most people would in years.

Six months training, four years of war, then a decade or whatever of being unfrozen fighting supervillians. On top of that, he’s got peak/super strength, speed, learning capacity, recovery time. The serum gives him an edge in all fields that no amount of normie training can compete with.

Batman and Captain America are both top fighters. Bate due to his insane dedication and top tier training, Cap because the serum allows him to get the most out of his training.

>Captain America was skilled enough to win against armies singlehandedly.
You know he lead many teams for these things, right? Like fought with The Invaders, Howling Commando's, Logan, and with many other platoons

Acceptable assessment, now everyone can shut up.

Marvel fans only read Marvel

Your problem is thinking that bruce needs an hour to master a punch. You are seriously understimating Batman. And overstimating the serum, His brain works on his peak genetic potential, he isnt reed richards. He isnt as good as bruce when it comes to learn martial arts. MArtial artists in this comics use their fucking chi to heal faster, to melt ice with their butts. Steve can read a medical book and understand the core concepts but can't became a surgeon after reading it just like the flash.

Baman is essentially Doc Savage. Except Doc devotes his life to adventuring and training. Batman does that AND runs a company AND goes to parties AND works with the JLA AND spends ten hours a day on rainy rooftops.

There are not enough hours in the day for Bats to do what he does without becoming a narrowly focused autistic wreck good at only one thing - being a vigilante. There's no time to become and remain and expert at everything too.

>there's no time to become and remain and expert at everything too.

And he doesnt need extra time. His learned how to fight using a flying ring in SECONDS. (he was just copying karate kid so it was a good guy to copy)

Cap is just a juice up elite fighter in the us army that is funded by the US government. He doesn’t 100 martial arts form, he is just natural fighter with a lot of experience.

Bruce has encyclopedic knowledge Every occupation or combat known to man. On top of training his own body to Olympic class levels.

It not the same thing , but who cares

>On top of training his own body to Olympic class levels.
Olympic is below bruce class. Daredevil and nightwing are olympic class, bruce is peak human.

>Baman is essentially Doc Savage. Except Doc devotes his life to adventuring and training
Doc Savage was trained from birth by other people (the scientists his dad surrounded himself with) to be a perfect specimen. Batman had an average childhood up until his parents were killed and then he spent most of his life either learning by himself or seeking out masters to train him.
Doc Savage is a glorified lab rat. If you want to compare Batman and a pulp hero in terms of experiences and capabilities, a better comparison would be Richard Benson, The Avenger.
(The Shadow would seem like an obvious comparison but he is not nearly enough of an multi-purpose superman and that's why he has so many agents and favors stealth and manipulation)

I only dispute this because, for as much shit we give Batman for his egregious plot armor and for how his skills break suspension of disbelief as well as the "he's just a man" narrative, he is not nearly enough of a Mary Sue as Doc Savage (and I don't use that term lightly)

>It not the same thing , but who cares
Exactly. Training much less, Steve got much better. It's not the same thing.

Everyone who gives Batman shit for being a good fighter after 15 years of training SHOULD give Captain America shit for being just as good, if not better, with 6 months of training.

You're trying really hard to get (You)s. You have to be subtler.

Subtle telling the fucking truth?

Bruce trained for 15 years. This is canon.

Steve trained for 6 months. This is canon.

People five Batman shit for being one of the best fighters in DC. This is true.

No one sees anything wrong with Captain America being the best fighter in Marvel. This is also true.

You don't belong here, leave.
Esto es el fin, El congelador.

Batwank goes back further than I thought.

>Bruce trained for 15 years. This is canon.
>Steve trained for 6 months. This is canon.
this has been said again and again why this is an inaccurate summary. Fucking read the thread

user there's no need to be upset over being called the mindless shitposter you are. Just accept it and try again when you don't feel so ashamed.

>b-but Steve fought against skinny soldiers for 4 years.
Really explains his martial prowess, huh?

>skinny soldiers

>Zola
>Red Skull

do I really need to go on? there was tons of superpowers during Marvel WW2

>batwank

>training his whole life is "wank"
>learning everything in 6 months is realistic
Sup Forums has a big Marvel bias.

Stop pretedning you are a dc fan you autistic imbecile

DC has Superman, Marvel does not. Captain America fights mooks, Batman fights baddies far above his weight class.

>DC has Superman, Marvel does not.
How is that relevant here?

Marvel has cosmic cubes, Infinite Gems, Heart of the Universe and 100 other McGuffins that rewrites reality. DC has not. Your argument is invalid.

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