Is there clear proof SJWs killed Marvel and DC sales?

Is there clear proof SJWs killed Marvel and DC sales?

I thought it has been in decline long before their infiltration

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Manga killed western comics,comics already had female characters, Mexicans and homosexuals, the problem is other than some females nobody cared about these, that's why they change the sexuality of classic characters and that's why they replace classic characters with their female/Mexican/gay equivalent, and turn the Heroes that support classic values into nazis

You can have an "SJW" comic with all the minorities you want and all the progressive messaging you want, but if it's well written it'll sell well.

The problem Marvel has is that they keep hiring shitty writers from the depths of YA and webcomics whose only qualifications is that they know somebody who works at marvel

>You can have an "SJW"
wrong, you can have progresive values or more inclusive like the Xmen in the 80's, SJW are constantly trying to find enemies and are bad for the industry, they are somehow like the nazis, with me or against me.

Nobody even knows what an SJW actually is. The only consistent definition is
1. It's bad
2. It's to the left of you

youtube.com/watch?v=C1b1nb1kH-Y

Clear proof? No.

But considerable indications? Plenty.
And not only in comics, but other media as well.

theguardian.com/books/2017/apr/03/marvel-executive-says-emphasis-on-diversity-may-have-alienated-readers
i agree that it has been in decline, so naturally, they'd want to branch out and appeal to different demographics.

>they'd want to branch out and appeal to different demographics
Sure, they want to appeal different demographics so they remove the one that was buying and they'll try to sell to all the others, and I'm not saying that add more diversity is bad replacement is

>Is there clear proof SJWs killed Marvel and DC sales?

Comics sales were always on the decline, the model is outdated.

>and all the progressive messaging you want, but if it's well written it'll sell well.
Anything with “progressive messaging” is automatically bad writing

If they dont like the preexisting characters then theyre not true fans and shouldnt be caterd to in favor of the real fanbase. Now theyve left marvel and sales are in the toilet

Good video.

>muh SJW

Jesus christ fuck off, yeah they killed it shit like America and Mocking bird sucked and proved it wasnt a good audience for comics.

Not an excuse to forego its fans and focus on these horrible new characters

>we shouldnt talk about problems in comics in a comic and cartoon board because our negative opinion might trigger a sensative marvel reader
Your anger is delicious

Why do Marvel blame everything except their constant, unending shitty events for their declining sales.

Its not a fucking problem, no more than fucking harping about them is.

kindly fuck off and take your culture war with you

cont AND comics alredy had different demographics: Blade, Cage, Storm, Sam Wilson, Rictor, Sunspot, Cecilia Reyes, Sunfire, Karma, Warpath and lots more were there before all that SJW crap

*Absolutely, comics were doing extremely well before that.

What kills Marvel is terrible happy go lucky management. It's like, they don't have a smart guy who'd tell them "you know what, something sounds fucked up about Elektra fighting Arcade in a casino while writer who has zero clue what the fuck Elektra is is trying to butcher Miller's material by trying to make it look like she became an assassin to save lives, not because she genuinely enjoys killing people as that is her entire point".

There is no fear, in one of interviews Bendis claimed that at the time he was hesitant to use Elektra because he had respect for Frank Miller and his stories.

NOW ANYONE DOES WHATEVER THEY GODDAMN WANT

There should be a smart guy who would say "no, don't write ironic superhero action-comedy that constantly winks at the audience with "le retro" art style that only Chris Samnee knows how to make look like not shit, we have too many of those as it is". Or "no, let's not make an event that's called Civil War 2 to ride the hype of the movie, we aren't actually obligated to warp our universe to look like movies, we can take best parts of what they do as they take best parts of what we do."

>Its not a fucking problem
Like this isnt a problem
>no more than fucking harping about them is.
>if i like literal shit then no one should have the right to complain about my shit when i pour it over their stuff
Get ass fucked

Yes, don't give into the bullshit that European comics or Japanese Manga destroyed the US comic industry.

Marvel an DC made poor business decision, Marvel Comics weren't batshit insane and stopped treating itself as a business....and started treating itself as a liberal arts college.

yeah big whoop jane foster ''became'' thor oh dear what a tragedy Its not like Cannon is reset regularly oh wait

fuck off faggot

She became a feminist mouth piece and the entire comic became shit and was constantly shitting on the real thor for being “unworthy” which was subtle attacks on him by the writers for being a white male. Eat a dick you SJW defending faggot

They were. SJW culture has just been the nail in the coffin. Instead of trying to pull in new customers with new products they warped their iconic old ones.

They should have just released a comic based in the middle east, or Mexico, not pussy footed by avoiding the issues in those places (Cartels/Caliphates).

It would have been controversial which would have made it talked about, enough to get decent sales.

Thor was always shit. Jane foster becoming Thor wasn't the real problem.

Thousands times this. Aaron's run was always insanely overrated when only good thing about it was art. That's usually the case with Aaron.

Whor isn't a sudden turn, Whor is a logical conclusion of Aaron getting pats in the back for his lackluster writing.

>Thor was always shit.
Get the fuck out you fake nerd piece of shit. If your not even a fan you have no right to tell others what is and isnt shit about that character and their franchise.

except they didn't
they threw everyone except a minority under the bus. They kicked out loyal fans who stayed with them for generations, they kicked out kids, they kicked out the mothers who buy those kids the comics and they kicked out anyone who was curious enough to enter the comic fandom.

That minority, that extremely vocal and moral busy bodies don't even buy comics, a few might, the rest pirate and upload to tumblr

and? none of that matters because cannon is going to reset

>SJW defending faggot

Sure thing pal let me tell you something, I fell for the whole gamergate thing and guess what? nothing happened, vidiya is still fun and free from the violent conformity promised and SJW are just a shitty boogyman created to scare dumbass anons into shitposting that Sup Forums was right and the racewar is inevitable.

seriously fuck off this shit is pathetic

Pretty much this.

I mean, I remember in interviews about the Marvel Legacy issue that Jason Aaron presented an idea that "made all of our jaws hit the floor". And you know what that moment must have been? Wolverine appearing with the space stone.
To the average reader, that is a stupid fucking gimmick. They just brought back massively popular character and then just added massively hyped element to the upcoming big Marvel blockbuster. But to the people at Marvel? They literally thought that was a game changing idea. Wolverine...with the space stone.

That's how creatively bankrupt they are. Instead of doing something unique and unexplored, they take overused element and add it to another overused elements. It's like how none of the people at Marvel thought to make Iron Man and Bruce Banner friends until after the Avengers film came out.

Hell, I'm legit surprised they never had Mutant Asgardians at Marvel, but I'm sure they won't come up with that idea cause Asgardians are now irrelevant to the MCU and Mutants aren't there yet.

the problem is to print shit knowing that nobody will buy that, they had black characters to make comics and all that sell like shit, and they think that to replace the characters that sell with these will make these characters populars, was a bad move and the sales drop, Marvel should be selling at least like the 80's with all the MCU and look at them

>none of that matters because cannon is going to reset
Doesnt excuse the shit comics being made until then, and with the way the writers are the same shit writing and feminist undertones will still be in place when original thor comes back. Also
>everyone who hates feminists are Sup Forums
Nice cognitive dissonance you supremely deluded fuck tard.

>this isnt a problem
you're right I fail to see the issue

the short answer is what hurt Marvel is A) Shitting on the xmen during the inhuman push age B) Replacing many characters with diversity legacy characters

Stop misusing obvious sarcasm to try and put words in my mouth you pathetic no argument shithead

Sjw's and diversity hires fucked up a potential mass effect trilogy.

I'm still mad about that

Cartels and Caliphates

New role playing board game?

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>Mister Metokur

Fuck Carol looks so hot with short hair

>be Marvel
>Tony, Thor and Steve are the currently well known thanks to the movies
>nyah fuck those guys,here have diversityvengers
>let's not be fucking even subtle with our politics

Why would even a normalfag get interested in Avengers if they change the characters in the first place.

>people keep posting superior thor forgetting that it boosted sales for well over a year from the previous inferior thor

>people keep posting superior thor forgetting that it boosted sales for well over a year
Its not my fault thor fags are too stupid to let a comic go once it became shit. Success doesnt equal quality.

>Everything I don't like it's because of SJWs somehow
This has been a funny year. I really don't mind about capeshit comics, but it's just so funny to see you retards get so mad and come here to whine everytime a woman/black character is introduced into your precious ficticious universes. I hope they keep on doing it next year (and everything indicates that they will). Good times.

What part of "is there clear proof they killed Marvel/DC and not that they've always been in decline" do you not understand

>but it's just so funny to see you retards get so mad and come here to whine everytime a woman/black character is introduced into your precious ficticious universes. I hope they keep on doing it next year (and everything indicates that they will). Good times.
How does it feel being a fucking traitor to the industry by wanting literal shit writers to take over just because it “triggers” actual fans? This type of virtue signaling bullshit will seep into media you like too if we dot stop it now.

>Success doesnt equal quality.
success is based off quality in the entertainment business. Look at how Justice league flopped because shit quality despite having all of DCs biggest hitters

>Falling for bait that obvious

Literally wrong, a lot of people were initially praising Ms. Marvel, there are even still some people who defend Miles for some reason.

There clearly are some characters that for some time worked.

Marvel Comics could have been raking in big bucks from the film audience if the heroes in the pages today were the characters portrayed on the big screen.

Instead this happened.

youtube.com/watch?v=TMTkedIUX8U

Oh my god are you real? This is too good to be true. Yeah, please, Sup Forums, save culture from evil SJWs before it's too late.

But really, thank you. I had a good laugh.

It did pretty well for itself, the problem is biased reviewers gave it a shit score when it was no more mediocre then standard marvel shit. Are you seriously telling me TLJ is good because it got money and not because of brand loyalty, because thats the same reason people still bought thor, and after a while the feminist overtones pissed them all off to where marvel is in the deficit they are now.

The one that was buying is dying out. Literally. The average age is mid-40s and climbing, and we're not talking about ex-olympians here. Fatties don't last.

Worst of all is that they tend to buy *a lot* of books. 3-4 a month, minimum. Some of them may be buying 4 times that. @4/month that's 48/year, but at 4 a week it's just shy of 200.

Now, sure, you could argue that they need to be kept happy, but - keeping them happy won't make them live longer. And it won't make them keep buying *your* books - only comics in general. Crackheads don't care where their crack comes from.

But with movies and tv being wet for comics right now like never before, it's theoretically easy to shift from 1 fatass who buys 200 books a year from a real rape-dungeon of a store to 1 kid who buys 52 books a year - or even 4 kids who buy 12 a year - and 150 who occasionally dip in to see if they like this title or that title. Because there are endless casuals, and their money is as good as anybody's.

The practice of switching audiences is harder because you have the short-term pain of losing vociferous fatasses (but by no means all of your existing readership - that's a myth too) before you have the long-term gain of new readers. And it's true that the industry as a whole is down about 8% on unit sales and 10% on $$ from last year, but historically that's not a huge drop and tends to follow years with truly huge events - love it or hate it, Civil War II sold gangbusters, while DC's Rebirth dumped some questionable numbers on the market with returnable copies shipped to stores over and over with no evidence of end-consumer sales (a policy they shitcanned in 2017).

>who defend Miles
>defending a successful comic character
wut?

>Yeah, please, Sup Forums, save culture from evil SJWs before it's too late.
I love how through your own fucked up mind you phrase a very logical argument as a joke and then dismiss it. Dont want to come to face that you were wrong and your “progressive” beliefs actually are bad for society, huh?

let me tell you the real problem, brainlet writers/artist/creators with a level of stupidity so intense it swallows up all attention, even when quality content comes out everyone, especially brainlet YouTube content creators that feed off the drama to fuel their subpar creations, is giving attention to the crappy trash that doesn't deserve it.
If you want this to end we need to stop paying attention to brainlets, like women, they feed on attention, ignore them while funding the good stuff and they'll give up on their own.

>the problem is biased reviewers
you mean the people that watched it? Nobody doesnt go to a movie theyve been wanting to see all year because reviews.
>and after a while
an entire fucking year in line with all comics general decline in sales. You claiming its feminism that killed it doesnt account for all the other comics that stayed away and are still on the decline. your agenda doesnt hold water

>The one that was buying is dying out. Literally. The average age is mid-40s and climbing, and we're not talking about ex-olympians here. Fatties don't last.
Are people really this stupid? More people then ever are liking the medium of comics because of the movies. If they didnt try to cater to people who dont even like it and stayed the same when the movies came out then theyd be getting new readers, i mean just look at DC.

Iron Man's sales have never been great, especially since 2008.

Batman could have crapped out a whole new market if he'd got just 5% of the people who saw The Dark Knight to buy a comic book, even one time.

To a great extent it's not even the content that puts people off, it's the idea of being associated with a honking mobility scooter like yourself.

>le movies boost comic sales
Stop this.

You mean how DC has only been going up in sales, you fucking retard?

I admit it's hard to take any of you seriously. The thing is, I don't think is worth it. Plus, your 'very logical argument' is rooted in assuming I'm a liberal/SJW/whatever you want to call your left-wing boogieman. Which is wrong, btw.

the fucking white male shouted the line, marvel are nazi, literally shaking

>Are people really this stupid?

Are you? This is what DC's research has been telling them for years.

>More people then ever are liking the medium of comics because of the movies.

That's true, but not to the degree you seem to believe, and while they aren't buying new titles in anything like the numbers the publishers would hope, they are the readers supporting those titles while they last. You know, the ones you hate.

>DC

DC's sales tanked for most of this decade. Even last year they only got them to look better through shenanigans - most of the books they were shipping to retailers ended up being returned for pulping. Actual sales were about where you'd expect DC to be based on the previous few years, and retailers over-ordered the free books to get the variants (which don't get separately returned because they have no intrinsic value to the publishers).

In fact when DC stopped that cash-bleeding exercise they found their sales... right back where they had been. Pretty much the only thing keeping them afloat at the time was 500 variant issues of DKIII.

>is rooted in assuming I'm a liberal/SJW/whatever you want to call your left-wing boogieman.
If you dont want to stop them and let them fester so they can get their manipulative tendrils into all forms of media, youre just as bad as them. Fuck you

This is the root of the issue. The comics model is broken, the marvel comics model is broken, and their individual series runs are broken.

It's capeshit. 99% of capeshit is garbage. Whether or not retarded editors ruin the characters with diversity quotas, exactly 99% of it will be garbage regardless.

No there isn't, people are dumb

>Are you? This is what DC's research has been telling them for years.
Stop deflecting faggot
>That's true, but not to the degree you seem to believe, and while they aren't buying new titles in anything like the numbers the publishers would hope, they are the readers supporting those titles while they last. You know, the ones you hate
You mean the titles that fucking tank beause SJWs only write blogposts about comics and dont read them. Also, abandoning your fanbase to cater to trend obsessed nonfans is corrupt and wrong, new blood wouldve still entered the comic industry, how else did it survive for years?
>DC's sales tanked for most of this decade. Even last year they only got them to look better through shenanigans
But now there on the rise, and you dont want to admit that because then thatd show your argument was wrong, and that the industry isnt dead as you claim and its just marvels stupidity thats responsible for their tanking sales.

>let them fester so they can get their manipulative tendrils into all forms of media
Yeah, you sound like a completely stable, reasonable guy. Not at all a nutjob.

>hurr durr capeshit is bad because it popular, i only read sophisticated alternative comics like saga where a dragon sucks his own dick, isnt that deep and filled with meaning?

Again, funny how you dismiss my claims even though thats exactly whats happening right now. Also
>implying feminists arent nutjobs

Marvel's issue is terrible writers and artists (who put in political messages that they think people will support instead of trying to make the book good, the SJW stuff is a symptom of this) and oversaturation of books at high prices. You have to remember that while stuff like America has been canned, so has the actually decent and politic-less GOTG book only a few months after a new movie.

You're a fan of the worst part of the industry. I dont care what happens to you or your terrible genre.

>they changed the sex/race of a fictitious character in a comic book
>le liberal conspiracy!!!!!1!!
Must be fascinating to be you. Also,
>out of nowhere, feminist hate
Never fails.

The problem is she are activists. They do not learn to do their job well they focus on turning it into activism. That's why they shit up and destroy every Industry they manage to take over.

They make shirty shallow garbage while pretending they are trail blazers when comics added minorities women and gays decades before.

>People STILL give a single flying fuck about Marvel
Hilarious. When will you lot realize that DC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marvel?

Isn't DC is on schedule for another universe reboot?

>Must be fascinating to be you. Also,
How is this not blatent agenda pushing, retard. Also
>defending feminists
Get out you feminazi pussy

Highly unlikely. Unless Manhattan throws a petty temper tantrum/sales for Rebirth reach Marvel's lows, such a thing probably won't happen.

Is that chick that dude's sister?

DC has only actually rebooted 2 or 3 times, in its 70+ year history.

Actually 50% is 30 years or more and around 50% is younger the problem is that comics don't have a way to grow for several reasons

Marvel decided they have to change the audience so the old audience wasn't important that could have been fine for the business except that no new people was interested so they weren't selling

They're the same character. Dude gets a curse that turns him into a redhead everyone wants to bang.

Nope. The sales of SJW titles may be clear proof it doesn't help but there were too many dumb decisions made by the big two to determine what exactly caused their sales to tank in recent years. It is clear that making an effort to keep your fans and retailers happy has been a big boost to DC's sales though. Also, attacking your reader base in hopes of drawing attention of new readers only results in a salty swamp that even the most loyal zombie would find itself wanting to escape after a while.

what's this superman is cheating on his wife with a little chinese kid? wtf?!

You are proposing more synergy, that's better than the shit in the image but synergy is shit too!

Yes

>Iron Man's sales have never been great, especially since 2008.
Breh, Bendis run barely pushed 30k

they need new histories but with the old characters, they could introduce new characters as sidekick or something like that but replace is a bad move

>Draw cute girl
>Make it a trap
Everytime japan...

>The sales of SJW titles may be clear proof it doesn't help but there were too many dumb decisions made by the big two to determine what exactly caused their sales to tank in recent years.
It was clearly the SJW push that killed it for marvel, DCs actually making some bank now

Miles isn't successful, he's pushed. Pushed into original Marvel universe, pushed into Avengers, pushed into Champions.

He has yet to receive a character defining story, a story that everyone will tell you is great and what makes Miles as a character awesome. Like Spider-man's If This Be my Destiny or Kid Who Collects Spider-man.

You may raise a point that what I am basically asking is for Miles to have a modern classic. And yes, that's what I am asking, he's trying to fill in Spider-man's shoes and those are big shoes.

You also may raise a point that he's the Ultimate Spider-man. Well, he is in original Marvel Universe now.

fuck off jim

its technically not a trap, just a guy who got a curse that turns him into a girl

>muh sjw

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