What do Sup Forums think if Native American became Captain America?

What do Sup Forums think if Native American became Captain America?

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could work, depends on execution

Why the hell was America Chavez latina instead of Native again? Gives her a way better reason to be, y'know, America.

That almost happened in the 80's but they didn't go with it.

Nah, comic writers can't write Native characters worth shit, let alone Marvel writers.

Could work, especially with a good writer and coherent storyline

American Eagle is a pretty cool dude, it could work.

That would be lit. Too bad it will never happen or, if it happens, they will find the way to turn the idea into pure shit.

It wouldn't sell, or it would be completely unreadable garbage or both.

Elaborate. Does he gain his powers from a spiritual source instead of super soldier serum?

Because the guy who wrote her is a retard.

picture related was cool

No one would read it and any political point made in the book that showed the right in a bad light will be to only threads you will see.

Spiritual. And does no one remember the comic of Civil War Captain America where he got the powers from a Native American totem?

Why would anyone care about Civil War?

Reminder that Walker wanted to use American Eagle in Occupy Avengers but the editorial forced Red Wolf cause all injuns are the same.

Probably wouldn't sell, personally I would love there to be more settings based around Native American folklore, lot of really cool shit in those stories but it is kind of a clusterfuck since one figure is portrayed as a harmless prankster to some and an evil prick by others. Though thems the breaks when writing stories heavily tied to folklore, every single local has their own flavor of those stories.

this but also this

Pretty sure an actual nation member worked on Scalped is why

Let me rephrase that. EARTH 717

marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Stephen_Rogers_(Earth-717)

There. Replace Steve with a native and bam.

>Steve starts out as a soldier

Dropped

He'd probably be killed after a villain send him a smallpox infested blanket.

I dunno dude Jason Aaron is pretty white

If he would be anything like OP pic, it wouldn't make much sense, and would probably be loaded with garbage tropes of spirituality and such.

The fuck are you talking about? Jason Aaron and R. M. Guéra are not first nation dipshit

>Captain Actual America

I don't understand why they were pushing Red Wolf so hard.

It would be incredibly preachy about racism while itself being a racist depiction of a Native American

Because the only minority characters that matter for current Marvel are legacies, if you are an original character you are fucked.

Depends who's writeing it, but I have nothing agianst the idea in principle

I wasn't aware Red Wolf was a legacy character

>Red Skull takes on the persona of an obnoxious British Colonist with a powered wig, triangle hat and the works
>regards all Natives as Injuns to piss them off
>constantly tries to kill Cap with blankets laced with his dust of death
>meanwhile, his endgame is to bullshit the rest of the country by turning the Tea Party into a relevant political superpower under his leadership

>It's entirely period shifted
>Tony Stark is in it too
>He's litteraly just a guy with a maxim gun

I'd read it. Depending on how hard it wanted to push its politics, I just think its a neat idea.

>protecting his people from invaders
>mystical powers
>strong ties to a long line of ancestors that advise him as spirits

So basically a Native American Black Panther?

>North America
>South America
>America

>America Chavez is lesbian
>America is fag

Serious question. Do Native Americans really have any attachment to the concept of "America" or do they have a greater attachment to their ancestral lands? Thinking about it, America as we see it on the map was entirely defined by European settlers. Almost all of the nations in the Americas are. Why would a Native American Cap feel any loyalty to the United States of America as opposed to his tribal homelands or to the Americas as a whole? Or hell, even just to the Native American people?

Making a Native into Captain America seems like its kinda goddamn cruel. A Native who has pledged to uphold and defend the state that consumed his people and many other native peoples. Not only that, but to embody it in its values. American values come entirely from Europe and are not universal to all cultures.

This seems like a nice gesture on the surface but the more I think about it the more fucked up it becomes.

If they don't preach racism and evils of the white devils who stole their land, then it would be quite cool

That is kind of an unfair assumption towards the native american soldiers that served the country in WW2, and other conflicts.

I'm still waiting for the HBO show adaptation of this. Or Starz, seeing as how they're handling American Gods. Shit could be amazing as long as they don't introduce a bunch of procedural-style filler episodes and cut the fat instead.

Just have him be Ira Hayes with a super-soldier dose and it works.

It'd make for a decent elseworld story that gets followed up with a bunch of boring sequels by lesser writers.

There are more reasons to enlist than just patriotism. For many people its an escape from economic conditions they would otherwise have little chance to. Natives (at least the ones living on reservations) do not usually have the greatest living conditions.

I'm not saying that its impossible for one to join out of patriotism. American values can resonate with anyone. Its just less likely is all.

>Make a Native character
>Instantly has "MUH SPIRITS/ANCESTORS" powers
Why?

You can definitely write a native american that adopts the very best of the American spirit without turning a blind eye to the bad parts, it could make for a more interesting character than Cap is usually written if you have him torn between the two sides, but it'd only really work under a good writer that, ideally, is a native american who's lived on a reservation(not just a one-sixteenth-kickapoo New Yorker) or at least knows a shit-ton about it.

I do not have any faith in your average superhero-comic writer managing to turn out anything except an offensive travesty of a story that'd be quickly forgotten. Even if the first writer did it justice the character would sooner or later be handed off to some shitty writer who would ruin it because they'd approach it the same as writing any other cape-character.

Better idea: he’s a guy with a machinegun and ned kelly armor.

she is an alien from another dimension entirely,not really a Latina of any kind. She's just brown.

It happened in Marvel 1602. It was pretty cool.

>it's not even anything somewhat specific like a Comanche having horse-powers/iconography
>it's just a mish-mash of every tribe's iconography jumbled together, like a "European" talking like a Russian while wearing super-clogs and gaining his powers from drinking tea
Laziness and shit writers, that's why.

Morrison's Club of Villains should get more use.

Because America is a supercontinent, not a country.

America is all the subcontinents of The Americas, not the country of the USA.

Hell, United States OF America.

Hell, the US wasn't even where Americus Vespucci arrived.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Cantelo

I'm sure something could be done with this man impersonating Maxim to make money off of his name but then seeing the error of his ways, instead becoming a vigilante with the gun.

Could be cool. But considering it's Marvel in >current year, it would probably end up hamfisted as fuck.

I actually like his design. It's better than sassy black girl with afro #999

>a native american who's lived on a reservation(not just a one-sixteenth-kickapoo New Yorker)
I'm a quarter Lakota and my dad took me back to the rez to make sure I was registered with the tribe. The political situation is more fucked than you can imagine. Being a part of the Lakota or even most north american tribes isn't based solely on blood, it's also a spiritual and cultural circumstances. This changed with the casinos and casino money. People started putting their hand out and long story short I wind up being called apple and mutt and being pelted with rocks by kids 1/8th or 1/16th who arn't old enough to understand their parents are pissed because me showing up makes their check smaller. I don't know, could make for an interesting storyline.
>I do not have any faith in your average superhero-comic writer managing to turn out anything except an offensive travesty of a story that'd be quickly forgotten.
This. So much this.

Do South Americans refer themselves as American?

I could dig it
>current marvel
Nevermind.

Yes

No.

Maybe

I don't Know.

It would Never happen because Native Americans are bitter and refuse to licence their heritage
Civ 6 just released a Cree nation and the Elders of the """""tribe""""" were upset that they we're not contacted about it first and are unhappy about it. The same happened when they made a Hopewell Tribe and asked one of them to voice it but they refused saying that his soul would be trapped in the game forever.

polygon.com/2018/1/4/16850906/cree-nation-civilization-6-poundmaker

It was quite a long time since I read it, but Scalped dealt with that part for a bit, didn't it?

Could be neat but it would devolve into racial preaching pretty quickly.

Wasn't his name Amerigo?

He would have more of a personality than some nigger with wings

Honestly, if I was part of a people who almost never got any mentions in stories or society I'd be pretty sad if the first "major" use of a leader was to put him in a game that inevitably ends up with you stealing everyone's cities/land or nuking them. I mean, at least India actually has nukes now.

Better than yet another nigger or a female.

1602 already did it.

It was, for some reason this user used latin name.

Calling Them Americans is asinine. They are a thousand little ethnicities whonserve as a cautionary tale the danger of immigrants outnumbering natives.

South american here: no.

But the south american left has been pushing this meme as a way to criticize americans.

You might recognize them as the people who support the Venezuelan and Cuban regime.

Honestly, it's kinda shitty on their part but can't blame them for trying to fight their enemy.

Don't lie.

>Of America
United States OF Mexico
Federative Republic OF Brazil (formerly United States of Brazil)
Republic OF Chile

Wait, what was your argument again?

>the supercontinent is named America
No, it's called "The Americas" because it encompasses all two/three of them.

More importantly, there's nothing that stops a country from claiming the name and rolling with it, because unlike in Europe there was never a pan american identity.

Now let me guess: you're some anti american lad who really needs to criticize them at all costs.

Here's a tip: criticize their policies, their government, anything valid. Just quit this incessant whining.


Signed, sudaca.

So America is a continent but non US countries in America(continent) don't refer to themselves as American, am I correct?

Every place has their own identity, so they refer to that.
If they need to talk about south americans in general, or latin speaking peoples, then they go for that.
American at the broadest sense isn't a common thing, american is used to refer to US citizens.

However, there is a push that's as old as americans fucking with their southern neighbors. So if you see someone crap out nonsensical terms like "united statesian" you can be sure they just hate the US to a high enough degree they're willing to be autistic about it.

That said, a lot of people have a baseline hatred for the US, and can you blame them?

>Don't lie.
I'm south american and I say we do, just not like US americans that themselves that when talking about their country

So basically Canada, Mexico & South America's are a shame to refer to themselves as American.

Interested but I highly doubt most if any native would brandish the colors of their literal oppressor.

Oh fuck off. How many people do you hear saying "we americans", what kind of topic even encompasses the peoples all the way from Canada down to Argentina?
This is some heavy autism.

Put your bolivarian dreams in the backburner and stop being autistic about your supercontinental faux-identity.

This.

In all honesty, I don't know why a proud Native American would want to be called Captain America, considering Caps position with the US Army and the Army's history of genocide.

But Gabby is a proud Latino lesbian (even attacking Latino celebs for having a relationship with non Latino) and still write a character that named America despite the current state of America and America's history toward Latino and gay community.

I don't fucking know m8. When talking with someone I don't take notes of what terms they use or not in case I might have to proof a point on Sup Forums's Sup Forums, faggot

There's literally millions of dollars just sitting around on hold that one tribe refuses to claim because they're still butthurt about mount rushmore. Indians are just nuts.

He's right though.
And he's not whining.
But it sure looks like you have some problem.

Neither definition is solely true.
America is any and all of it's subcontinents, and in common use, simply USA.

Contrary to USA, countries you mentioned had their own identity before they became federations, so the naming follows. USA had to resolve to geography, because it was a new entity.
And indeed, ever since, commonly used America refers to USA, nothing wrong with that.

You are not even sure how many Americas there are, but rest assured that in Europe, America denotes also the whole landmass of your part of the world.

Fuck people stopping half-way through carving a mountain into some ugly monument to attract a tourist trade, desu. Just leave the mountains alone and make it out of concrete like a sane person. I'll never understand the urge to ruin a perfectly good mountain like that just to "honour" some presidents or a war leader.

Because liberals don't care about Native Americans and that's the demographic they were catering to with America Chavez.

More like they're jealous Children getting butthurt over the very name of our country.
>B-but, we Americans too!!1

They care, just not in the pop cultural sense like they do with black people. If Natives weren't tucked away in their own little fake countries and had more presence in society I'm sure white libs would guilt more

J.M. DeMattis tried to do something like that towards the end of his Cap run, where Cap threw his shield off of a bridge, and this Native American character that he had for a while became the new Cap

Shooter wasn't happy with the idea and DeMattis left the book

Aw beat me to it.

If they know how geography works, yes.

It sounds like a badass concept. They could even do a reincarnation kind of deal, like all the shit modern Captain America goes through happens in the never ending cycle of life, and the forces of good and evil are in constant limbo. Put in some Native mysticism mumbo jumbo and done.

Like Bucky's last incarnation is Native Captain America's trusty horse in this life, etc.