Which was the better ending in Watchmen? Which plan would have worked better for Ozymandias...

Which was the better ending in Watchmen? Which plan would have worked better for Ozymandias? The psychic giant squid or Dr Manhattan?

One version of these plans was explicitely shown to have failed later on, the other was left inconclusive.

The squid is infinitely better.

i like snyder's version for the movie, despite making babustus absolutely useless

The comic had the better ending, and Zack missed the point. The giant squid was supposed to be ridiculous, and the entire story was saying that comic book heroes and their solutions wouldn't work in a real world setting. Furthermore, Osterman not telling Adrian his plan was futile in the movie was plain stupid, and the entire Manhattan framing falls apart given that the US would still be put under responsibility for the disaster given he's a US asset

The Giant alien squid is more meta-fitting, because it is part of the cape-comic mythos Moor was deconstructing. Giant Squid IS the kind of monster you meet in comic and SF pulp fiction and it being an elaborate ruse was how it fit in the narrative of Watchemen, who was meant to be more bound in reality.

The movie removing it and making it all about Dr. Manhattan in-story, made narratively more sense. The Giant Squid was, well, too alien to not land like a big drumpf in the movie. It came too much from the left-fireld to not pull out the audience who was mostly made of people who didn't had their mind set on of cap-comic universe work.

Nowadays it's different, Had Watchmen been done nowadays, maybe the Giant Squid would have worked. the general audience would have understood better what it was about.

having it be Manhatten kinda ruins the plan. because he is someone you can blame and accuse of working for so and so

the alien was meant to be a crazy WTF so that people stop thinking about they're pretty squabbles while they figured shit out

both were short sighted plans. but I don't believe the Dr version would have accomplished anything

>and the entire Manhattan framing falls apart given that the US would still be put under responsibility
>having it be Manhatten kinda ruins the plan. because he is someone you can blame and accuse of working for so and so
I think in the movie, the US was hit the hardest.

Plus, he abandons US citizenship halfway trhu the movie after the cancer talkshow

Squid.
The good doctor would have just made the soviets blame america and attack.

>I think in the movie, the US was hit the hardest.
Irrelevant. Manhattan is a a U.S. Military asset and his actions have consequences for the U.S.

So Warchmen was made too soon?

>I think in the movie, the US was hit the hardest.
So? He was still a US citizen, under US employ. Him going rogue would be seen as the US' fault because they couldn't wrangle in their pet god, or his very existence would be their fault to begin with.

At least the alien would've been an outside threat with no bearing on any country.

>Irrelevant.
No?

Why would the Comedian have a mental breakdown over nukes of all things? The squid shakes him to the core and destroys his outlook because of how insane and nightmarish it is.

Definitely.

Watchmen should have been done as an answer to the excess of Cape-comics movies.

If only for the existing version not leading to snyder ruining the DCEU.

Why would the Comedian have a breakdown over the squid either?
He's already seen Manhattan use superpowers. He's raped and murdered people.
A squid just really isn't that big a deal to a guy like that.

It is.
It's the fact that Ozy is delusional enough to kill that many people and is so certain that it'll fix everything.

>It's the fact that Ozy is delusional enough to kill that many people and is so certain that it'll fix everything.
This aspect is still in the film though.

I never said it wasn't. Diffrent user.

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That doesnt matter. As far as the world is concerned, Dr Manhattan was a US weapon that went AWOL, and they're still responsible. They wouldnt get world peace hand holdy trying to stop Osterman, they'd instead blame the US and go nuts. The fake aliens were completely removed from Earth

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The squid was better because a) it was a silly thing that a comic book villain would do, which was the whole point... to show that the "smartest man on the planet" is still an idiot because he goes around wearing tights and fighting crime and therefore has a warped perspective, and b) because the governments of the world have an absolute understanding of how impossible it is to stand up to Dr Manhattan. With the giant squid, it's a POSSIBLE invasion that can be killed. With Dr Manhattan he's an indestructible and very present being who cannot be killed. They've got a chance against the squid... hell, it died immediately when transported to earth. There's no hope of defeating Dr Manhattan.

This guy gets it.

the end of the movie worked due the movie being faithfull to older capeshit, it deconstructed superhero and action movies that had been mad at that point just like the comic. Now it may work better since capeshit has changed, but pretty much every change in the movie not only makes sense, it's also faithful to the comic in a way it touches the same comparative elements.

Just shut up and learn some history. That's not how the world works, how many dictators has ammerica created? fuck fucks sake you were arming isis just 2 years ago.

>America has a walking nuke
>WHOOPS WE TREATED HIM LIKE SHIT AND HE DECIMATED SEVERAL CITIES ACROSS THE GLOBE, PLEASE DONT GET MAD GUYS
Right. Clearly no one would be mad at the US

>Why would the Comedian have a mental breakdown over nukes of all things?

Dumb underage idiot. he doesnt give a shit about the squid, he is shocked by how many people will be killed in a sacrificial way, he knows war. Both sides killing each other, One degenerate planning to kill millions it's shocking.

It doesn't matter what the US was rumored to do, what matters is that Manhattan was paraded around the world as a U.S owned superweapon. Russia needs no more excuse than that.
Being hit by a known military vector is a hell of a lot different than a motherfucking giant alien psychic squid teleporting into your enemy's biggest cultural center.

>Right. Clearly no one would be mad at the US

Do you even history? remember when your countyr went to war with vietnam under the premise you were attacked and turned out you werent?

You are either too innocent or too ignorant, Syria was turned into a bloodbath thanks to america and israel. Everyone already blames america for shit, but america isnt a person and countries don't act out of "revange", there's no such thing as blamming someone in the sense you mean, it didnt happened with Franco, Pinochet, Osama, or Saddam.

>It doesn't matter what the US was rumored to do

>rumored

Stop reading comics

You're trying equate THAT with a fucking WMD that killed millions of people and pretend that the USA is the only country on the planet will retaliate? What a odd world you live in. The entire Doomsday Clock metaphor, the Cold War trigger finger scenario, was about everyone looking for an excuse to fire first. You think Russia would just say "oh well" and move on? Hell no, they, along with several other parties, would immediately point the finger at the United States for such a colossal fuckup. They used Dr Manhattan to win the Vietnam War, everyone else was uneasy with them having such a powerful asset, and now the tables have turned.

>doesn't matter what the US was rumored to do

Holy shit this is a new level of ignorance or selfdelution

>You think Russia would just say "oh well" and move on?

It's called shock. And more important after a hit like that there's not only less resources to get into a fight, there's a moral issue among the troops, and the more important issue: how can you attack manhattan back. What usedoes it have to waste resources on attacking america, on the other hand, america does have all the info you think you need.
The whole coperation thing was about information, in this case all the information america had about doc and all the weapons that the soviets had been developing to kill him.

But continue with your "blame" thing, you are clearly a child that doesnt understand history. I hope you enjoy Doomsday clock, that garbage is tailor made for you.

A big giant psychic squid would have turned all normie audiences off immediately. This movie would have been dropped to Kevin Smith storytime levels of ridiculous if it was there.

It does sound like something John Peters would have demanded appear in the third act from nowhere.

>The squid is the fiercest killer in the aquatic kingdom

So because someone might disagree with your opinion, a shit one where you're putting the Manhattan ending over the squid ending, that automatically means someone is slurping up Johns's fanfic? Nice logic there numbnuts. Keep pretending to know how the world works

I don't think someone who doesn't understand or like the Watchmen movie would understand or like Doomsday Clock.

>where you're putting the Manhattan ending over the squid ending

Never implied that.

/pol is that way ------------------>

If Watchmen had been made nowadays it would have been giant blue beam coming from a portal/sky.

Grow up

lol epic, upboated

They wanted to make it a modern movie, Snyder had to fight really hard to make the movie. They were really mad he was not willing to cut the Henry Kissinger escenes.

You mind to explain why?
I'm legitimately curious as to most people seem to unanimously agree it's the superior ending but I haven't heard any reasons as to why.

Just ignore them, they saw a retarded video on youtube and fail to understand the difference between a 12 month comic and the pace of a 3 hours movie. Read the threads, the squid is good and is in fact better for the overall story... but it's a terrible idea for a movie. The answers for your question are in this thread, but you need to pick apart the different answers

Why are Americans so triggered by facts?

I haven't watched the movie but the comic had a pretty retarded ending
Idk how they could make it worse but it is Synder

>>Right. Clearly no one would be mad at the US

muh jpg facts

And Steven!