Abuses her mentally ill husband until he breaks down and hits her, forever destroying his own reputation

>Abuses her mentally ill husband until he breaks down and hits her, forever destroying his own reputation
>in return, sleeps with half of the few friends he has
Marvel wives are really a piece of work, aren't they?

>Abuses her mentally ill husband
She didn't do such things. Did you even read Avengers? She blames herself but she clearly didn't do anything wrong

Why can't Marvel ever have a good marriage? Literally every pairing has been broken down. Some deservedly so more than others (Panther and Storm).

Peter and MJ got OMD.
Sue Storm is inches away from cucking Reed with Namor
The fucking shit between Jean, Scott, and Logan, with later addition of Emma.
Danny and Misty aren't together for some reason anymore
Don't even get started on Black Bolt and Medusa

I know strained relationships cause drama, but holy shit can no one have a good ending?

Because writers think stable and loving relationships are boring

Oh hey it's namorfag. How are you today, my autistic brother?

>Jean, Scott and Logan

I thought that was just the films

I'm not too well versed in X-Men, but thats where I assumed a lot of the love triangle stuff for the 90s cartoon came from.

It's a manufactured drama kind of thing, and incredibly lazy. Plus guys going through breakups tend to fuckin self insert that shit into their work. Just look at Dan harmon's sad old ass.

Things Janet Van Dyne has done
1) Took advantage of the fact that she resembled Hank's dead wife to insinuate herself into his life
2)When he was in the middle of a complete breakdown locked him into a marriage, in a relationship he was still rocky on due to the aforementioned dead wife
3) Whenever she felt he wasn't paying attention to her, she would flirt with other men to rile him up
4)Was consistently negative about the time spent on his scientific profession
5)Attempt to financially control him by trying to stop him from seeking outside funding for his work
6)Whenever Hank would try to leave Avenger life for the lab when it was getting too much for him, Jan would manipulate him into staying
7)Would go to a couple counselor alone in secret for advice, which was spend more time together. Jan decided that meant be Avengers.
8)After trying to reconcile they moved to Britain, She left the country in the middle of the night and broke up with him with a short note taped to the mirror.
9) Gets possessive when he dates other women

>I thought that was just the films
Claremont had Jean kissing Logan behind Scott's time at least three times.

Morrison's X-Men starts with Jean asking Logan to fuck her while Scott isn't looking.

Casey's X-Men starts with Jean and Logan kissing. Jean cucking Scott is literally the very first cover of this run.

The there's Ultimate X-Men, where Jean decides to give Scott a chance only after she gives Logan her virginity days after meeting him.

Or, writers as a profession are so notoriously awful at love they really don't know what a happy relationship is like.

Does DC have this problem? Lois and Clark work so goddamn well. Bruce and Selina are going to be an OFFICIAL thing finally, after decades of flirting. Green Arrow and Canary are gonna be a thing again I think. Ralph and Sue, who are together and alive again as of the latest run of the Secret Six.

All mainstream comics suffer from this depending on the writer honestly. I wouldn't be shocked if Bendis gets Superman and shits all over the marriage, but I really hope that isn't the case

>Does DC have this problem?
Jean Loring was so awful of a wife that she could be a Marvel character.

Kyle Rayner/Jade had a Marvel resolution, too.

does anyone really want to see two characters make it work after so much "will they or won't they" time?
like idk how it is for other people but my girlfriend and I knew we wanted to get married pretty early on into knowing each other. what makes long-term flirting interesting is the undercurrent of doubt that prevents two people from shacking up in the first place, like "what if they aren't perfect for each other"
personally I think designing a relationship to fail is a great idea. the animosity it causes makes up for the lack of dramatic tension once two characters settle down. drama and fighting is interesting, and a perfect relationship will become stale to look at very quickly

I agree.
Hence why I donmt care for Clark and Lois’s relationship. Shit got boring real fast and it doesn't help that there is no drama from the rogue gallery side in his comics either.

I would rather read about a couple that works as "partners-in-crime" than a couple always on the verge of infidelity and shitty drama.

Sorry if DC isn't into cucking. Maybe if Lois was trying to cheat on Clark with a murderous villain that tries to kill her husband and family, you would like it better.

I don't know about that. I think relationship drama can be written well, and that the "couple-in-crime" idea would be improved by emotional issues that threaten their ability to work as a team. it just needs the right writer

Anything can work if it has the "right" writer.

Clearly one that excels in relationships is something Marvel doesn't have, however.

We are talking about comic book writers here. The majority of them think that an "adult" story is a story filled with rape and violence.

They think that an interesting relationship is a relationship where the man is spineless and the woman is a dumb cheater. Why do you think Marvel doesn't have many loved couples?

Ok Quesadilla

"Lois and Clark" is anything but perfect. There were so many times when Lois was in "why are you spend more time as Superman and less time fucking me. Clark" phase

IIRC, this was why they broke off the engagement before they finally got married.

Also this classic power couple.

Danny and Misty aren't allowed to be together because race mixing is fucking disgusting. It's 20fucking18 Misty needs to be with a strong, proud black man to continue the legacy of the glorious POC

It's not about what can be written well, it's about what I want. Anything can be written well, but that doesn't mean I like everything.
I personally don't care for drama or will they/won't they at all.
There are two things I'd only ever write/want to read about, when it comes romance/sex in comics:
happy stable relationships
villains chaining up heroines at their thrones in skimpy outfits.

The rest is trash.
TRASH I SAY

Pic related.

>this demonization
Jan has been nothing but a good person. Her greatest flaw is vanity, if anything.

At this point, the only thing to do is just to put Jean and Logan together, so people can realise what horrible people the two of them are and finally free Scott.

>filename
lol

Crystal is a special case. She cheated on her boyfriend with a bull and later cheated on her bull with another bull. No wonder no one wants to be in a relationship with her nowadays.

>happy stable relationships
>villains chaining up heroines at their thrones in skimpy outfits
Patrician taste.

marvel represents the world outside your window

and outside your window there be WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

somebody say whores?

Are you just going from thread to thread calling women whores?

The whores you write at least get paid, Mr. Miller.

Barda went and got gangbanged in the slums of Metropolis after making hardcore porn with a sleazy director.

No. Glad to hear that some other brave soul is telling it how it is though. Can I haz >>number?

Dont be fooled. This was DC before new 52 and during. Only rebirth is fixing this. Oliver queen was so toxic that the internet was split over his marriage to BC.
Seriously there were writers actively making lois a bitch so superman could hook up with maxima or lana.

Except lois has cheated in the 90s. Read some comics. Sue has also never cheated. In fact there are more comics of Sue rejecting namor instead of making out with him.

>there were writers actively making lois a bitch
Lois being a total bitch is in character for her since the beginning of her creation.

>Except lois has cheated in the 90s. Read some comics.
You read some comics, my friend.

Lois and Jeb Friedman kissed one time, when Clark was fucking DEAD and before they even got married.

Sue makes out with Namor when her husband is alive.

You know what I mean. There's writing a likable hot bitch and then theres the bitch that would grind your ears. Writers who hated the lois pairing wrote her as the latter.

>Sue makes out with Namor when her husband is alive.
Isnt that image from when hyperstorm killed reed.

You’re implying as if Lois was never meant to be the latter. She was always a cancerous character that ruined ruined every comic she appeared in especially the original World’s Finest.
Even in her initial action comics appearance Clark was sock of her shit and wanted to get rid of her. They only changed and made her tolerable for waifufags. Too bad as a result they also made Clark into a pathetic pussy doormat.

>Even in her initial action comics appearance Clark was sock of her shit and wanted to get rid of her.
Never happened.

Shuester always wanted to make Lois/Clark endgame and would have married them himself if he could.

Well fuck him for writing a shit couple dynamic between them because it didn’t translate in the comics at all.

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Let me guess: you like Marvel couples were the husband is a cuck, right?

Lois/Clark is the only couple in comics whose dynamic is strong enough to be the focus of a TV series.

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These threads are so common that you can easily recognize the usual suspects. There's always that one user that hates Lois, the other user that is convinced Sue cheated.
Then there's the Hank Pym fags being super defensive of their wife beater husband despite the fact their idol would never actually blame Janet for his own shitty actions.

Cuckshit is another nonsense that makes the male character into a doormat. Lois and Clark chemistry is still shit and boring and doesn’t add anything to their characters no matter how much you want to deny. Clark doesn’t even have a chemistry with his own son thatms how much the writers fail at writing a realistic and good family relationship.

Name another one comic book couple whose chemistry is strong enough to carry a TV series for 4 years. I will wait.

Yes and there is the same anons who jump and seethe at the thought of someone criticizing their shit OTP.

Doesn’t exist. Hence why capeshit is crap most of the time.

>autism
hot

>Doesn’t exist
At least one exists, user.

user, even Reed knows his place as a cuck. You should accept it too.

Honestly I'd hit Jan too. Fuck Jan.

Acquire some taste and standards

Then name another couple that can do the same, user. It's that simple.

Maybe a 4 season TV series where Sue Storm can't decide between the violent terrorist that kills civilians and tries to kill her family or the man saves lives and protects her family from harm? Would that make a good story?

Namor loves Sue more than Reed, it matters.

The only terrible relationships over at DC that come to mind are Barry/Iris and what they did to Hal/Carol

And he demonstrates it by trying to kill her family and destroying her city and kidnapping her?

In return, she responds by making out with him whenever the opportunity appears?

What a terrible wife she is.

IIRC, Black Knight wanted to fuck her too before he got Sersi.

>Reed knows the perfect way to please Sue while doing Cosmic Cube Calculations

Huh, you know I always knew Jan was misguided and flighty early on but I hadn't thought she was this bad without it all typed out in a list. She really was vapid and not mindful at all of Hank's insecurities/instability. I mean Hank's shit is inevitably what caused the relationship to go south, but she made it so much worse.

Gee i wonder

Christ, that's dark.

So, Sue is canonically the hottest woman in Marvel, right? Literally everyone wants her. Namor obviously, Black Panther, Doom, Ben, Spider-Man occasionally, even friggin' Captain America nearly made a move once.

In return, she wants everyone, too. Or just the violent ones.

MoarEffort version.

>"Peter and MJ got OMD."

What's wrong with getting an Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark CD?

Everything was normal until
>>you
>>you
>>you

Damn, user.
I almost die