Electoral college protects from what again?

Electoral college protects from what again?

From a majority from choosing the victor.

From 6 billion illegals in Cali determining the election, duh.

If it were popular vote, it would only take 10 states to do what you used 19 for here.

That state should leave the states.

It protects against bubble dwelling urbanites and elites.

from illegals piling into one state and deciding the fate of the entire country.

Localized voter fraud.

>those 33 NE votes

NE could have been a swing state if it wasn't smart enough to be a collection of states

Tyranny of the majority.
One state doesnt decide the election. This is America and diversity is our strength. All voices have to be heard

You are not arguing well for the electoral college.

Many many more people live in the cities, and their votes should count just as much as anyone else's.

And you might say "but they'll focus all the attention on the cities". Yes, that is true, but that's where most of the people are, that's where most of the innovation is happening. There's not a lot of things going on in Montana or Wyoming. But in California and New York, these are areas of vast technological progress, inventing new things every day that people in the rural, unpopulated areas take advantage of.

Every vote should count the same. Popular vote should be the deciding factor. I think, in your hearts, you know this is true.

ctr shill get out

It was never about the overall popular vote. It's the states that decide, with a favor going to the smaller ones like Wyoming and such to protect those 500k people from the millions in LA alone.

It protects states, not people. The people then decide the states choice.

They prevent voting factions where people have a common however adverse interest in the direction of the nation.

From money only being invested in densely populated urban areas.

every vote should not count the same because if they did then nominees would not give two shits about countryside dwellers and people living in rural areas would get fucked over because all the focus would be on city dwellers.

Electoral college stops all policy from being shaped around the needs of the people in a few big cities. Without it, all attention would be focused on NY, CA, and TX major metropolitan areas. Those living in NE, ME, or OH, for example, would never recieve any representation. The few would rule the many. This way we all have a say in who our President is.

It's an ingenious system. Those fighting to abolish it are pawns in a plot to destroy our Republic

mob rule. It also forces politicians to consider the needs of less populated states rather than just the 8 or so cities that make up the majority of the population.

But wouldn't the republicans still run the house and the senate if the popular vote decided the president?

> but that's where most of the people are, that's where most of the innovation is happening.

Innovation is happening because of a bunch of waiters, baristas, street cleaners and failed actors?

That doesn't even closely resemble the real election results

It controls for voter fraud.

Clearly no fucking person was ever awake in history or civics classes. Fucking retarded liberals.

That map is on a reverse bender.

The people who grow your food and truck your products are still relevant. A straight popular vote means they don't matter anymore and their rights can be trampled. Their votes wouldn't "count the same" as you seem to think they would.

This.

>Yes, that is true, but that's where most of the people are
The 10 biggest cities in America make a very small percentage of the population.

Is this like the CTR remnant faction?

>It was never about the overall popular vote.

Doesn't matter what it was "ever" about. It can change and needs to change.

>with a favor going to the smaller ones like Wyoming and such to protect those 500k people from the millions in LA alone.

They don't need protection. People in Wyoming use technology invented by people in Silicon Valley. People in the cities by the vast amounts of food and livestock produced and shipped from there. More people are in the cities and these are the centers of innovation. The unpopulated states BENEFIT from strong cities.

The government already gives subsidies to farmers in rural areas to help them. What more do they need?

lol, no

high density areas having complete control

What? Nebraska is one state and had only 5 votes

You are both fucking retards. The EC doesn't nothing like that.

cuckolding apparently

Subhumans from the inner cities with borderline retarded IQs deciding the election.

The electoral college protects the city folk from the great country folk uprising.

I think the electoral college stems from an age where state identities were a lot stronger. It was a way of compromising between the states and the people living in them while remaining united. It may be a little out of date nowadays since everyone identifies primarily as American but I think it still serves a good purpose

I wish we read more into Madison when I was in high school.

I should add, though, that the main reason it was considered was because Hamilton was afraid of state corruption, and Madison's fear of factions helped solidify that claim.

new england, friend

>everybody in rural areas is a farmer
Shows how little these people understand outside of their own little bubbles.

Yes it does

The sense is not strong, but the distinction is crucial regardless.

Popular vote doesn't mean people that live in cities have their vote weighted more, it is simply 1 person 1 vote. Also the electoral college votes is weighted by population and is really meant to just lead to a popular vote wins.

What you are arguing exists in the senate. Each state gets 2 senators regardless of population so more populace states cannot screw other states. No one is arguing to change that it is good to have a house like that.

>Hispanic support up big league
>white support down marginally
>black support down marginally
>Dems get 5 million fewer votes than 2012
Funny that once your voter fraud schemes went mainstream you got almost as few votes as you did in 2004, despite the population increasing massively since then.

>Popular vote doesn't mean people that live in cities have their vote weighted more, it is simply 1 person 1 vote.

And where do the greatest concentrations of people live?

Til your centers of innovation vote themselves all the cake, fuck over the livestock growers, and then have to depend on imports to survive. The reason we even have a rustbelt is because cities voted against the rural areas of their state for their own benefit (cheaper/lower quality consumer goods).

it doesnt protect you from not visiting Wisconsin

Why don't you just divide the country up into equal population sizes then no one could complain

and NYC takes advantage of food grown outside the city.......

im not saying the elctoral college is a good idea

but looking at the popular vote in an electoral college election is pretty stupid, and so is your logic you posted

it literally fucking does.

It literally did.

ensures the value of every state is how many people they represent, not just who voted

Trump won more population points, Hillary won more total population that voted (barely)

The Electoral College exists for the same reason we have the Senate and House of Representatives set up the way they are: Big states should count more of course, but not at the expense of the smaller states.

It's like people who complain about the ECs are pro-Majority Tyranny (which is what they were fighting against the whole time, right? The tyranny of the evil Cis-Hetero-White Man?). A bit hypocritical, methinks.

>And where do the greatest concentrations of people live
In 146 counties (out of over 3000) that are all major metropolitan centers and their surrounding area.

Niggers don't want to live in Nebraska where they have to work for a living. They depend on living in urban centers where the city will pay them just for being alive. Appalachia was once a shining gem of the working class (low crime, not wealthy but highly productive with good wages) and they were reduced to welfare states so Philadelphia and Pittsburgh could keep some semblance of not being Somalia.

Ive seen things being built in barns and back garages in the country that put your city innovation to shame.

>Democracy
>USA
You niggers do realize we AREN'T a democracy? I'm surprised how many niggers still believe that we ever have been a democracy. The US is a REPUBLIC. We have representatives that vote for us, not direct votes.

The electoral college protects states' sovereignty from corrupt federal overreach.

From Hillary

huh, really makes you think

Correct.

The US is and has always been a Republic. Not a Democracy

A constitutional system of government is about both democracy and also protecting people's rights against mob rule. If we had a pure popular vote then it would just be people from major metropolitan areas voting themselves everyone else's money.

No it exists because they didn't want congress to elect the president or popular vote to elect the president.

Originally it was each states legislature that selected and technically still is or can. It wasn't until later that the system effectively formed into what is now essentially popular vote but a bad way of doing it as you could simply just do popular vote.

No, the senate does that.

>It can change

Sure.

>and needs to change.

No it doesn't.

The senate *ALSO* does this.

Clinton didn't get a majority of anything, by the way.

Coulda done it in a lot less states tbqhwyfampai
what was the point of NH, VT, RI, DE, DC, CT, and MD when you coulda just grabbed TX?
Hell after that you could even boot both MA and IN and grab MI or GA

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So, would you then advocate for a smaller federal government and distribute the power back to the individual states?

>making the case that California and New York have inordinate amounts of representation
>while being a liberal

I just don't get why you would support the electoral college.

I assume you don't think EVERY country needs it? Or even every state? Every county? Should the "county seat" have a separate vote from the rural areas of a country? How far do you go to make sure that cities don't overpower rural areas?

It's a harsh truth, but states like Wyoming, Montana, are not super important to the state's economy overall. Yet the cities like New york, los angelos, dallas, they are a HUGE part of the country's economy and innovation centers.

>inventing new things every day that people in the rural, unpopulated areas take advantage of.

Meanwhile, those rural areas produce all the food for those cities.

Seems to me like they're the important piece here, and deserve to be heard.

What's stopping California from breaking itself into 500 states so it gets 1000 extra electoral votes because of +2 from senators in each state?

this

pretty sure the constitution

I've been saying for months that the balkanization of the midwest would bee monumental in terms of it's impact.

except the only thing that(should) matter, votes

how can people who are from america even have an opinion about all this?

No, as the electoral college system doesn't do that as the votes are based on population.

Currently the intent is that it results in popular vote electing president. When it doesn't is when the system didn't work.

It is a vital aspect of our Republic and ensures the survival of federalism in the US.

EC detractors should fuck off.

What the fuck is this map even suppoused to represent?

Might want to take up the issue with President Trump, his Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican SCOTUS, and Republican Governorship majority, Republican state legislatures.

What's stopping California from seceding to stop being bound by the Constitution, then break itself into 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 states, and then have every last one apply to join the United States again, and forcing everyone to receive free shit for the rest of time?

Because then it wouldn't be California :^)

It's fine the way it is
Clinton lost this election due to Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and possibly Michigan flipping red
Those are traditionally blue states and she pissed them away due to her own arrogance.
If any other democrat ran that even pretended to give a shit about people they probably would have stayed blue and things would have aligned the way you think they should

Wyoming has 600k citizens and 3 EV. CA has over 30 million and 55 EV. The electoral college is designed to give smaller states more voting power.

It protects a state from an overpopulated liberal city trying to push a fucking communist takeover

I see ctr is still around. I want you faggots to know there is a god and he fucking hates you. Rot in hell you fucking scum

When the federal government refuses to enforce immigration law and municipalities collude with them to allow illegal immigrants to vote, the municipalities still only get the number of electoral votes allocated to them based on the number of citizens according to the most recent census. Am I wrong?

Fake trump victory. The real map is better. He is saying trump shouldn't win because he could just win like this.

KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING COMMIE

But she didn't get the majority of votes.

So many damn idiots in this thread.

The electoral college doesn't doesn't protect against mob rule. The electoral college is there to benefit densely populated states.

In the US it is NOT the citizens that select the president. It is the STATES that select the president. Each state has a vote for who they will support for the federal government's president. The candidate that gets 50% of the states to support him wins.

HOWEVER, the big states didn't think it was fair that they would have the same power at selecting a president as a small state so a compromise was reached to give states proportional power, based on the population, in deciding the president. This is why we have an electoral college.

So the next time you think about the electoral college and you are from a big city be thankful because it could have been worse. It could have been one state, one vote.

thanks

Underrated

wtf i hate the founding fathers now

originally we didn't have direct election of Senators. We should really go back to that. Demagoguery has too much power in the current system.

but she did

She didn't get a majority of the popular vote.

she got more than trump, but still less than 50% dipshit