Redpill me on climate change. I think its real and it's one of the things I lean left on...

Redpill me on climate change. I think its real and it's one of the things I lean left on. I'm not seeing any evidence that it isn't real.

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really makes you think

truther tier conspiracy created by china and perpetrated by the us governemnt headed by none other than george bush

It's real but it's not a reason to freeze all technological development and stunt economic growth with regulations.

Everything is always changing. Life is about adapting to your environments.

Why would we push energy technology development if we can keep using oil though.

why not

Not real. Following the collapse of the USSR and the communist world, leftists changed tactics. Isn't it strange the solution to global warming is socialism?

It is real.

But you cant shoot a gun at or pray it away so conservatives choose denial.

there are people who have trillions of dollars together. They can do anything to safeguard their money.
They are not worried about global warming so why should you?

like everything else, leftists are just arguing against a strawman. yes the climate changes, no there is no proof that humans were the cause of it, no we do not have a method to stop it.

We already barely fund it since we have huge oil companies try to block it. Similar to telecom. If we just let them drill more how does that help anything. If they block anything that isn't oil at every turn we may never find something even better.

How is it socialism, why can't we just fund renewable energy research more?

How do you refute things like pic related though, there is a clear change around the industrial revolution.

The Earth literally changes the climate ever few hundred years user, it's basic science. You're getting jewed by the carbon tax fags for your money, climate change is not from greenhouse gasses it just changes from time to time because Earth is on its axis.

Lol read any of the propaganda. All calls for more government and taxes.

i dont understand why we wont fund renewable energy. If we just spent more money on it, we could monopolize on basic research discoveries and literally make america great again through that route.

It's real but the US government can't do shit about it

The best question to ask is "How do we stop it?" and the best answer would be to have every industrialized nation cut back on emissions somehow. Good luck getting China to do that though.

If you believe in "climate change", you are either ignorant of the fact that you are spreading Communist China's anti-free-market-capitalism propaganda or you are willfully and actively working to advance Communism and destroy free market capitalism.

there's nothing to refute, correlation is not necessarily causation.

warmer oceans release co2, this is even part of the "non-denier" argument for why it's so bad. but if the globe heats up of its own accord due to sun proximity, then it would also explain the co2 increase.

But how do we know this if thermometers were not invented yet? :^)

This is interesting though thank you.

I'm not saying they aren't using it to push socialism, my bad. I was asking why the solution has to be socialism, but I understand what you are saying now.

Because that is a risk for big oil, they are safe in control of the worlds energy source. Even if one monopolized the new and improved technology the others would be fucked, so if they all agree to suppress they all keep making dollars until the oil is gone.

I believe in it, I don't think we should gimp ourselves over it. I'm just asking why people straight up don't think it is real.

still cheaper to burn oil. but decisions like those are made by people above elected government leaders, who knows what the scheme is

More information on how the data is obtained, and how climate change liars manipulate the data to serve their purposes:
a-sceptical-mind.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-hockey-stick

It's real but who gives a fuck.

It's an inevitable transition.

what "others" exist when a monopoly exists...? by definition other's dont exist. as long as the monopoly was successful, the technology progression is worth the fact it's an actual monopoly.

i guess elon musk is the closest thing to what im thinking. least he's creating jobs and shit

Theres literally no reason not to believe it,
We're wrong about human climate change
>"We don't actually need these ultra efficient solar / wind / hydro -power but it is nicer having clean air and saving money not being cuffed to a grid!"

We're right about human climate change
>"Good thing I made the choice to live and not die!"

Sup Forums
>"M-muh fiat money!"

Renewable energy is always being researched - research is significantly less expensive than a wide-scale industrial roll-out necessary to have any measurable impact.

But that roll-out doesn't happen simply because the technology just isn't there. All existing renewables have huge, huge flaws that make them extremely impractical, and nobody has been able to solve these problems even with millions of research dollars every year.

Not to mention that the US only creates about 14% or less of the world's CO2 emissions. Even if the USA removed all CO2 sources (effectively destroying human civilization, even if you don't kill all those CO2 producing humans) the overall net impact would be negligible. And the change in emissions from environmental "reforms"? Even more negligible than that.
It's all a scam. All of it.

Repeat after me... separation of science and the state.

Until then, everything we are told to believe cannot be absolved of ulterior motives or malfeasance.

It's technically real, but it's not very important. There is absolutely no runaway effect, the temperature scales logarithmically with the CO2, making it actually extremely hard to raise the temperature that way even if you wanted to. The disastrous scenarios you hear about don't really come from climatologists.

And more to the point, none of the attempts to combat it do the smallest dent. Those are politically motivated by a desire for control over industry (nothing new here).

Planet sized prisoner's dilemma. Rich people who deny it think that they can get richer and drop caring about reducing emissions on their competition.

geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

>ultra efficient

Well there's the rub. Unless we see some kind of revolutionary sci/tech breakthrough, fossil fuels are still hugely more efficient.

And the cost of energy is a big fucking deal.

It's real, but it has nothing to do with human's and there's nothing we can do to stop it. We should be trying to adapt, not fix something that's literally unfixable. It's mostly just used to scam people out of money.

Some people say we are due for an ice age, but my question is what would cause this? Take into effect that we are in the vastness of space, mostly unknown to the public. It isn't crazy to think something orbits through our solar system that with the entire timeline of modern Humans could be destroyed. Maybe something bigger comes near us and slows down the earths rotation and freezes the Earth, creates massive earthquakes (like Japan had 11/11/2016 at 6.2 and the one in Italy that was about the same). So maybe this is just the Earth getting fucked by a passing object that's bigger than us and effect us right now. Not saying CO2 doesn't contribute, but if a hoax this is another perspective, don't put out the realm of orbiting system impossible because its something that we don't know. Look into Sumerian text and they were able to predict many things in our solar system and we have no idea how.
Every writing and idea came from some sort of truth.

>AKG
Based.

it is real and we're heading towards a total ecologic collapse. geology, oceanography, biology already proving it.

Sup Forums is simply full of technoptimistic millenials. sad!

IT. IS. NOT. REAL.

Linkola is based. He advocates for exterminating 90% of humans. I believe it's the only way to stop this ecological disaster. Humans under democracy are simply too stupid and selfish to do better for future generations.

youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg

Prior to the Holocene which is now and started about 20,000 years ago the earth used to have massive ice ages where glaciers would cover much of Europe every few thousand years. This was the Pleistocene and lasted hundreds of thousands of years.

The idea that we are "due" for a new one comes from the notion that rather than being in a different climate epoch were just lagging behind slightly.

People have been banging this drum since Nostradamus and before.

It's just the excuse for more taxes and more subsidies to people that don't deserve it. Also has dumbed down "science" just a government dumbs down everything it touches. The clue is that none of the alarmist predictions made have come true. The proof that they really believe their bullshit is when the earth enters a natural cooling cycle. As it will. Do they then suggest burning more coal and generating more CO2 to offset the truly devastating effects of global cooling? You know the answer to that. Shit no. They will find a reason to blame it for the cooling. Everything generates CO2. You create it, your ass creates it, cows create it, fossil fuels create it. You tax it, you control everything.

Things happen in cycles so I don't think its out of the realm of possibility. Everything is spinning around and maybe we are just missing a piece of what happens to our Earth with these eras and a crazy Idea that the piece could be orbiting around our star, or our star is a part of a bigger system that passes thorough us that has an affect Earth physically. Humans are very small compared to everything else around us and we forgot to see the bigger picture. Each epoch could have been affected by a passer by planet or star that orbits through us, it would never have to hit the Earth for there to be world ending situation.

Even if greenhouse gases don't cause climate change, we will still end up looking like china does now.

Uhh, the below poster was agreeing with you bro.

Ill just leave this here

We are on a glacial era. Human civilization just happened to develop on a small window of relatively warm climate.
The ice will be back any time, better keep emitting those gases or most of us are gonna freeze to death.

In the long term it either will or we will run out of stuff to use and have to use renewables anyway unless we hit the fission jackpot.