Marvel's Mangaverse

Was the Mangaverse a mistake?

who's that supposed to be? Black Panther?

>middle-aged guys trying to write comics based on what they figured kids liked about late 90s/early 2000s anime
Of course it was. Revival when?

>Revival when?
You just wait, user.
You just wait.

It wasn't just a mistake, it was two mistakes.

The first mistake was trying to copy something they obviously weren't familiar with in a transparent attempt to win people back from the manga boom. The second mistake was that instead of bringing in some people with experience in the manga industry, they relied on white guys awkwardly trying to imitate the style. It just ends up looking amateurish as all hell. Imagine if Marvel got some decent Japanese creative teams on board back then, instead of relying on pseudo-weebs trying to imitate "what the kids are into these days."


I mean, as an unironic Adam Warren fan I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with Western artists using a manga-inspired art style, but the Magaverse just missed the sweet spot completely. You'd think that hovering somewhere between "trying too hard" and "barely trying at all" would mean they'd hit the bullseye, but it didn't work out that way.

>>middle-aged guys trying to write comics based on what they figured kids liked about late 90s/early 2000s anime

Why is CN's Teen Titans put in a high pedestal then if it was exactly the same thing?

rather funny shes not even allowed cleavage in this shot

>Revival when?
What did you think was the whole point of Yoshida-San gaining power in marvel? He'll usher in a new age if he marvel mangaverse, but this time it will be drawn by 'actual' Japanese people.

Because those middle-aged guys had a little more knowledge of the medium.

There's good ideas that could have been used for the Mangaverse, but it turned into a mess.
Better art would have helped.

Remember when Marvel sold soft-porn?

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>you can clearly see her tongue was drawn to go into her mouth but then they redrew the mouth over it to make it slightly less sexual
kek

This is kinda hot

And Tigra.

CN's Teen Titans was a mistake. Weebs and casuals ruined Titans forever

Glen Murakami knew what the fuck he was talking about. If you read interviews with him, he references everything from Kikaider influencing Cyborg's transblucent parts to modelling Robin's fighting style after Bruce Lee. From the Giant Robo gag reference in "Stranded", to the near-constant FLCL references (Starfire's head growth and Beast Boy's moped being the most obvious examples), it's clear Teen Titans was a labor of love.

Hell, the one time they DID reach too far and became cringe-inducingly "I'm 40 and this is what I think Japanimation is" was the Trouble in Tokyo movie, and we all DID bag on that, even back when it came out.

it was a mistake because Marvel has plenty of big-name mangaka fans who would basically jump at the chance to work on something like this and they don't use them.

I would list nobuhiro watsuki but with marvel's connection to disney and the pedophilia charges filed on watsuki, that probably won't happen even if the guy adored marvel and made several homages to it throughout his works. (including the training area for Arms Alchemists in Busou Renkin being called "The Danger Room")

Because Teen Titans was good. The creators also seemed to understand anime and manga a bit better than the mangaverse guys and also didn't try too hard to be like an anime, but all that matters in the end is the quality of the work.

If they did do a new Mangaverse with real Japanese creators, who would you want on what comics?

Ah, 14-year-old me loved that mini.

>Kikaider
>FLCL
>Knew what he was talking about

nigga those shows were on adult swim at the time and were entry level as fuck. Did he throw in some Cowboy Bebop as well?

nobody current, we'd end up with whiny soy boys for the men and moe women.

I want Nihei back on Wolverine.

Have you considered looking beyond the moeshit Sup Forums is obsessed with, or the shonen garbage Sup Forums prefers?

That's why I emphasized nobody current. It's all garbage and anime and manga hasn't been relevant in almost a decade. It was literally at the peak of it's fad in the US at the time that Marvel did the Mangaverse.

But that's not even close to true?

Sure if you're an entry level goober who only reads the shit you can pick up at Wallmart I can see how you might believe that, but that shit was just as bad in the 90s.

we have to reach a middle ground some where user, just find another hero

I honestly had forgotten about the Kikaider animation, I'd assumed Murakami grew up with the subs of the OG toku show that was HUGE with the Japanese-American community in Hawaii and California.

the Ghost Rider one is unironically great and doesn't deserve SoP status

Nigga, this thread is about bitching about how Gen X nerds make anime parodies without stopping to see if anime has changed since the 70s. It was refreshing to see a show that could reference anime in a way we related to, instead of a way that reeked of "HELLO FELLOW KIDS, I, TOO, ENJOY THE JAPANIMATION, GO SPEED RACER GO XD"

>Revival when?
When they get actual Manga authors and artists to work on it
Considering that two of the biggest anime out right now are directly inspired by Western Superheroes that shouldn't be too hard

yes

How was this ever published?

this last one was pretty fun and had better art then the previous issues.
wolverine - vegeta
human torch - asuka
black cat - rei
tony stark as a literal head on wheels.
spidey and mj as ninja's
carol danvers as captain TITS america

Execution.

Desperation

Yeah. Instead of using actually mangaka they used dated manga stereotypes.Like mangaverse Hulk is fucking Godzilla for some reason, while the actual Manga Hulk was just . . . Hulk. Or whatever the fuck mangaverse Punisher was despite there being hundreds of manga character's with Frank's aesthetics, hell the 4 most popular manga sold has a similar feel.

Jesus, was this the first gay Illyana?

wasn't mangaverse punisher a little gheisha girl that punished people by tickling them?

don't forget doctor doom turning out to be t'challa's sister

Manga was a mistake, yes.

yeah, PAD had no idea what he was doing but somehow it did end being more true to manga than most of mangaverse.

Spider-clan is still an interesting idea. Still salty we haven't seen more of Spider-ninja MJ

Adam Warren's F4 was Evangelion. Nice as a stand-alone issue.

Captain Marvel was a waste.

Also, Iron GP-03

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prepare to be punished

should have got Go Nagai drawing this.

>Adam Warren's F4 was Evangelion.
That's actually an interesting idea with potential.

bruce banner turning into thor
and hulk being a giant demon monster who serves dormammu

Megascale Metatalent Response Team Fantastic was unironically great. I would have loved to see more of it.

i liked mangaverse design for lady deathstrike
shame she only got a few pages at best

The weird thing about Mangaverse Wolverine is that the idea was already better executed in Psylocke post-transformation.

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eh I'd say the initial set of comics was decent enough outside of the Ghost Rider and Punisher comics, but the later comics where they made Ultimatum look subtle in the "ruining an entire universe" regard were garbage

OK guys what do we do about this manga stuff?
>Publish original stories in multiple genres from talented creators with a beginning, middle, and end
>Do the same capeshit we always did but with fucked up outsider art anatomy
pls help I can't figure this out

It was a weird time that's ultimately moot now that comics are just a form of movie merchandise.

For those unfamiliar, Megascale Metatalent Response Team Fantastic (Mangaverse F4) was based off the idea that Reed Richards was trying to write cheat codes into reality to give people powers, which ended up blowing up the moon and killing a buch of people, while also creating the F4. And then all of the multiverse came to kill them, because humanity was fucking with the fabric of reality, and now the F4 have to deal with giant aliens coming to murder them all the time.

Reed's stretchy powers are used to make tons of neural links in his brain, which makes him even smarter,. but he doesn't fight. He does fuck a lot of women, though.

Everyone else straps into suits that amplify their powers for a time so they can make giant versions of themselves. Sue is a severe introvert who makes a giant invisible self, Torch is a girl with a massive need to prove herself, and Ben is a nerd who goes fucking power crazy when he builds giant shells around him made of whatever is nearby.

still they changed his design to a vegeta look a like

>But that's not even close to true?

Alright, name something current that doesn't either suffer from waifuism, pseudo intellectualism, moe, or whiny men who may as well be fags or carbon copies of other manga main characters.

>Sure if you're an entry level goober who only reads the shit you can pick up at Wallmart I can see how you might believe that, but that shit was just as bad in the 90s.

I'm 30 and been reading manga longer than you've been alive.

actually torch was a guy
but with the last mangaverse one, torch is suddenly a girl (that looks like asuka) and the others get killed by ninja's

>this thread is about bitching about howGen X nerds make anime parodies without stopping to see if anime has changed since the 70s.

Instead you've learned how Gen Z is the cancer killing anime

All the mangaverse art just reminds me of Serenity now.

everything about this seems like a great idea

>actually torch was a guy
what? No, Torch always been Asuka.

the F4 guy in the image is Reed. The F4 got modified(a lot) in the mangaverse stories after the original Adam Warren mini

Name something from the nineties that doesn't either suffer from waifuism, pseudo intellectualism, moe, or whiny men who may as well be fags or carbon copies of other manga main characters.

Protip: you can't, because no matter what you name I'm going to slap it with at least one vague criticism.

Torch was a girl in the first (only) issue of F4 mangaverse. Jonatha Storm.

yeah, the second Mangaverse series(this one) was actually quite good.
Having a consistent art-style and a single story did help.

Lots of cool design, too.

And thus you realize then that manga and anime is shit and was mainly a fad in the very early 2000's because it was cheaper to import animation than make new cartoons, and because Borders Books, Suncoast, Sam Goody, and Media Play had yet to go out of business.

Buddy, no. I owned both of the trades. I wanted to love it. Some parts, like Spider-Clan and F4 were great. Avengers as a Voltron team was also solid. Ghost Rider suffered in the art department, but was pretty funny. But it was weak overall, and the follow-up was fucking painful.

The whole thing was honestly a completely missed opportunity. They should have done a Jump-style mag, let things be largely separate, and collected it into tankobans. It could've had a real chance then.

ah my bad then. i thought i read torch was a guy first.

and to think only these guys survived, all the others from the previous issues got killed off

I think I'm going to get the recently released tpb that collects the entire thing
this seems like a sillier Marvel Adventures and that was the jam

That's part of why the second series was so bad. The whole thing was a clear vote of no-confidence in continuing the mangaverse.

Soon. Manga is kicking the poo out of western comics, so they will have to follow the leader.

>fad
You are aware that almost all currently airing anime are simulcasted in USA (with streaming services joining production committees to get exclusive rights), manga publishers publish more stuff than ever (and add light novels to that) and there is a fuckton of visual novels on Steam. If it's a fad, it's a one that goes on pretty damn well.

adam warren makes me feel bad about the world more so than usual

sup

You weren't around for peak pokemon. Compared to then, it's a fad. Everyone was looking for the next IP that would become the next pokemon or hit anime. You might as well be talking about pawgs or milk caps or yomega yo-yos.

>no Empowered anime ever
feelz

He obviously wasn’t aware. He is also probably blissfully unaware that Viz has overtaken both DC and Marvel in US sales.

I feel bad for him, man. He isn’t even aware of what’s going on.

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Your counterpoint was weak. user posted fairly concrete evidence of Japanese media gaining traction, and you responded with an anecdote. You must step it up, senpai.

It was the only good thing to come out of capeshit

>concrete evidence

How is what he said any less anecodotal? They were playing anime in movie theaters. When's the last time you had an anime in a major theater and not some hipster theater for a limited showing? Are you forgetting Toonami from the period? Or Sci-Fi Channel's anime? Or how saturday morning cartoons was littered with it across multiple networks? Hell Central Park Media even went out of business after the fad ended.

> How is what he said any less anecodotal?
Certainly, I can clarify this for you.

Simulcasting, streaming giants competing for exclusivity, increased manga publication, and an increase in VNs are all good, concrete evidence of increasing demand for Japanese media.

But you have definitely stepped up your game for this reply, and I commend you for that. However, I feel that anime user still has the stringed argument- movie showings and Toonami aren’t as meaningful now since the rise of streaming, so I doubt they hold up today as evidence.

Compared to the current state of marvel, no; It's a masterpiece.

Great series

Ghibli movies usually manages to be shown in movie theaters for a couple of weeks

>Simulcasting, streaming giants competing for exclusivity, increased manga publication, and an increase in VNs are all good, concrete evidence of increasing demand for Japanese media.

No, it's not, it's evidence that digital media has made it cheaper and less risky to produce Japanese media in the West. It has nothing to do with popularity. Hell this site was produced during the anime fad of the early 2000's.

>Ghibli movies usually manages to be shown in movie theaters for a couple of weeks

How long was the last one in theaters? Not for very long. A week or two I'd bet. When's the last time something like Spirited Away made a huge impact?

Guess that music and video games aren't a big deal either, now that Steam and iTunes exist
When Marnie Was There got an Oscar nomination, so at least a week, which is still more arthouse anime gets these days. As for Spirited Away making an impact, I'd say it's faded into the background now that you can get any Ghibli movie on DVD. If you think about it, there are very few anime movies that get mainstream appeal - the only one to spring to mind is Akira, and that sure as hell isn't perfect.

>Guess that music and video games aren't a big deal either, now that Steam and iTunes exist

Nice strawman. As if digitial media hasn't made it easier to get games that would normally have never seen a western release, due largely impart to it being less of a risk now that you don't have to worry about a mass release of a physical copy of a game.

>When Marnie Was There got an Oscar nomination, so at least a week, which is still more arthouse anime gets these days.

Hence why I mentioned hipster theaters further up thread.

>As for Spirited Away making an impact, I'd say it's faded into the background now that you can get any Ghibli movie on DVD.

It was big at the time and Disney getting involved made it mainstream.

>If you think about it, there are very few anime movies that get mainstream appeal - the only one to spring to mind is Akira, and that sure as hell isn't perfect.

Akira had tv commercials for it at the time stating it was more violent than Blade Runner. The commercials aired regularly. Anime isn't advertised like it once was. I'd consider it more underground or to have a cult following.

Toriyama could probably do well with a lot of Marvel if he infused it with bits and pieces from his titles other than just DBZ. Would be interested to see how and if he could replicate Kirby at his most batshittingly brilliant

who approved of her name?

Only absolutely

Reliance on Pokemon, etc. wasn't actually a sign of a good situation. Those were singular franchises, now the market is stable and newest mangas and anime. With LNs and VNs lagging slightly behind. TV is irrelevant with streaming services. Big movies (Kimi no na Wa, Koe no Katachi) are shown in cinemas.

There are even two publishers specialising in eromanga. You can buy manga chapters as they come out in Japan. It's now big and stable business with more diverse output than what American comic and cartoon industries offer.

That silent Knights of the Dinner Table reference is extra cringe-worthy.

How fucking stupid for the authors to add their own name in japanese.

at least that seems correct usage

unlike this

If they wanted to make "manga" then why the fuck didn't they hired real japanese mangaka to make this shit?

Like, hiring jap mangakas isn't even that expensive, even in the 00's. Hell, they get payed peanuts even to this day.
Just get a nobody from Shonen Sunday and you're fucking set.

I want fucking Hirohiko Araki on board.
His shit is western inspired anyway.

people shitting on liefeld's "learn anatomy".
going nuts with araki's [do you even pose].

hilarious.

Just wait until you see what they did to the Punisher.