Why does this show give Sup Forums a collective brain aneurysm?

Why does this show give Sup Forums a collective brain aneurysm?

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you fucking know why

I really don't. It's painfully mediocre and undoubtedly made specifically for children, but so is everything else Sup Forums watches. Why does this one in particular trigger you all so hard?

Because it's widely hated for daring to deviate from the comics and seeming like a Winx ripoff.

Sup Forums also hates it for not being popular in the US.

Someone used to spam incest porn between the main girl and her mom.

No, I won't tell you more.

Mods please delete this if I've awoken an ancient evil by invoking it.

You're the user who promised to watch it, right?
Regardless, did you watch the whole series?

Winx Club is a rip off of Sailor Moon so technically that makes Witch a rip off of a rip off

>It's painfully mediocre and undoubtedly made specifically for children, but so is everything else Sup Forums watches.
Nobody thinks this about, say, ATLA, even though it's far more true there. Perception matters far more than the actual product.

Die.

It's less the show itself and more one specific, incredibly obnoxious user that keeps shilling it.

It was very obviously hated before I even watched it. You can see that in the archived comic threads.

>HURR DURR EVERYTHING Sup Forums WATCHES IS MEDIOCRE BECAUSE I SAID SO
How come whenever anyone tries to defend WITCH they are always a complete fucking cunt?

Not the same user, but see

Bullshit. People were at most neutral about it.

I can't get over stupid striped stockings they wear. The only reason I still haven't even tried watching an episode.

It's one autist that keeps shilling it. We got occasional, but nice, WITCH threads before he ruined it for everyone. Unless that was the whole point.

WITCH came out before Winx.

Not because I said so, because that's the truth.

>ITS TRUTH BECAUSE I SAID SO
Fuck off, already.

I agree that the promo images may make it look weird, but they look hot as fuck in the show itself.

>grass is green
>HURRDY DURR GRASS IZ GREEN CUZ I SAID SO
This is you.

Again, archives say you're wrong. At the very most you'd have someone come in and say season 1 is absolute shit but season 2 is just mediocre because the great Weisman saved it, even though his writing is overrated as fuck.

>WITCH came out before Winx.
Which is why I wrote "seeming"... nobody knows or cares about that fact, all they care is when they first saw it on TV.

I always thought the show was insanely mediocre with nothing even remotely interesting or memorable about it, but not worth the effort of actually hating it. This faggot however makes me hate it. I have no fucking idea what his endgame is but I don't understand why anyone could think that show is worth shilling so much.
>more of HURR DURR IM OBJECTIVELY RIGHT BECAUSE I SAID SO autism
I don't know if you're WITCHfag trying to play a different role or another autist/shitty troll, but please kill yourself

I'm still waiting for you to answer a simple question: did you or did you not watch all of it?

If you haven't watched all 52 episodes, STFU.

Archives proves me right, it's generally people people finding season 1 mediocre and season 2 alright.
>but season 2 is just mediocre because the great Weisman saved it, even though his writing is overrated as fuck.
Are you seriously trying to claim Season 1 was even remotely as good as Season 2? It wasn't anywhere close, due in large parts to executive meddling.

The shark jump the comics did with the New Power arc was painful. The Ragorlang arc wasn't anything great, but New Power retconning stuff and adding in stupid shit while being remarkably flat and uninteresting was pretty damn bad.

I'm still waiting for you to grab a knife and stick it in your carotid artery. Boo-hoo, the world is full of disappointments.

You're the user spreading lies about executive meddling changing the show mid-season, eh?

>A little background: we only read the first 6 or 10 comics when we wrote the 26 episodes, starting in mid-2003. Our task was to make 26 stories - and a "believable" arc from beginning-to-end for all the characters - out of those facts and stories. Obviously, a lot had to be stretched; that's the reason we kept Elyon in the dark so long. There are only so many stories we could have come up with in which the Guardians knew Elyon was in trouble but, with all their powers and Caleb's help, couldn't reach her to explain.
>Also, they girls had too many powers in the comics. On the printed page it's less obvious, but when you're threading multiple motivations and problems together, the more powers they all have (telepathy, "instincts" about people, the ability to talk to appliances) the harder it would be in any given story to explain why they "didn't just ________!" We got notes from Disney all the time when they were in trouble: "Why don't they just fly away?" Well, that's a good question: why don't they? This is why Kryptonite was invented for Superman. Characters with few physical limitations cannot be as credibly put in great peril. I mean, they can... but in hindsight you go "wait a minute..!"
>I won't belabor all the technical limitations of writing for animation but we had notes coming on every line of every script from 3 countries, and we were in L.A. while our director was in Paris and the final animation was being done in China. For the first 7 episodes we were told to make the show a comedy, then when JETIX wanted it we were told to go back and rewrite all 7 to make it appeal more to boys. We got edicts like, "Never start a show by showing the girls... this won't appeal to boys." Stuff like that. "Too girly." "Too much girl-talk." We did as we were told...

toonzone.net/forums/threads/w-i-t-c-h-walk-this-way-talkback-spoilers.3900261/#post-58616761

>The post you are quoting is literally describing executive meddling
Are you okay user?

Here, I'll help you out:
>we were told to go back and rewrite all 7
>go back and rewrite
>REWRITE

It's W.I.T.C.Hfag of course he isn't.

Why do mods allow these threads?
The point of banning ponyshit was that it's just as obnoxious as this faggot's shitposting. Now that the pony craze died out, how come mods focus on the wrong problem that is the ponies themselves, not the obnoxiousness of fanbase (or in this case obnoxiousness of one fag)

>Went back to rewrite because of executive meddling
No one in this thread claimed it was done mid-season except you, just that there was executive meddling, which your own quoted post from Toonzone confirms.

Mods have deleted almost every W.I.T.C.H. thread made for weeks now, even though they break no rules. Sounds like you just want your personal concept of what Sup Forums should be enforced.

Been meaning to try this one out.
Downloads where?

Newsflash, retard. No one likes you.
It's not my "personal concept", it's an idea of everyone who has to put up with your garbage.

witch.wczasy.kylos.pl/issues.html
This site has most(or possibly all) the issues.

The only decent quality version, avoid all others:
gist.github.com/ValdikSS/7cfd370136efbaa14e58
Comicfags leave.

First of all, which non-English-speaking country are you from? I'm really intrigued to find out more about my stalker.

Second, you seem to agree I'm not breaking any rules but want me banned anyways just because you don't like me. Now who does that remind me of... oh, right. Back to your regular SJW site, freedom-hating asshole.

>10. No spamming or flooding of any kind. No intentionally evading spam or post filters.

OP here. Please don't lump me in with "WITCHfag". I have no idea what any of you are talking about. I barely post here.

Since that rule is not well-defined with actual limits, I make sure to post vastly fewer threads than the repetitive ones I see here all the time... yet they still get deleted. It's subjective as fuck.

>wahh only one person dislikes me being an obnoxious piece of shit
Ever considered that you're just such a shitbag that numerous people want you to fuck off forever? Keep using that bogeyman that protects your already fragile psyche, though.
>I'm not breaking any rules
Except for constant spamming and being a low-quality poster.

>Since that rule is not well-defined with actual limits
That's the beauty of it. It's the perfect catch all. Cry harder bitch.

>Now who does that remind me of... oh, right. Back to your regular SJW site, freedom-hating asshole.

The number of people pretending that Thomas Astruc had any significant input on this show (and that he can therefore deliver a quality magical girl series) is absolutely insane. That's my two cents.

Then you're going to have to explain how executive meddling changed S1 for the worse.
Because when Weisman came in, he emphasized the action and story parts even further, if anything.

Is that what Ladybug fags actually think? That's some delusional denial.

I need to absorb this thread for my own power

I need more power........then I can evolve into my next form

>t. Nerissa

I loved this show, my only complaint was that their costumes were pretty ugly

So you don't agree with then?
And what did you like about the show specifically?

>HURR DURR MUH FREEDUMS
>whines when people post porn in his shitty threads

At the time, this was one of the most well put together shows on air. It had good design, decent animation, it starred an all-girl cast, it had a fantasy world, plot-heavy, character development, etc. Looking back, there was tons of good stuff about this show, I'm surprised I wasn't more obsessed with it. It was also based on a comic/book series by a really talented italian artist.

I don't give a flying fuck about the occasional porn pic, as that's a problem for the mods to deal with. I don't even report those normally.

What I do give a shit about is thread flooding.

>At the time
You think cartoons have actually got better since?

I was more speaking to the fact that around that time, there was pretty much a cartoon drought, so it was sort of a miracle a show with this premise even got made. This was when Muguzi happened, in case you don't remember.

The mid-2000s were the best era for cartoons, though. This show could not have come out at any other time. Even your own Miguzi example actually had quite a few great or decent series.

Does nobody else find their pig faces (especially noses) in the comics really weird? I know I've complained about them looking like children, but this is something that's pretty objectively bad...

Red haired girl was my first waifu.

Grew up on the comics as well.

What do you think of the show?

>What I do give a shit about is thread flooding.
Oh, the irony.

I've never done it myself, but I suspect you have...

Also read the comics as a tween.
The comic handled the magical themes better. Everything felt more fantastical.
The show made the characters less whiny but also lessened a lot of their character tension.
The art is far better in the comic.

My friend loves the cartoon, though.

>The comic handled the magical themes better. Everything felt more fantastical.
Yes, but also less grounded and logical. The comics are much more childish in that sense.
>The show made the characters less whiny but also lessened a lot of their character tension.
True on both counts, though there was plenty of both in each so it doesn't matter that much.
>The art is far better in the comic.
Objectively speaking, it's the other way around. I'm no artist but even I can tell you that the level of effort put into the cartoon's animation is something the comic artists could only dream of. Now, there are subjective aspects to the original artstyle that are dropped in the cartoon, such as the bigger eyes and stylized outlines. But even if you prefer those, they come with significant downsides:

>I've never done it myself
Off.
Yourself.
Delusional.
Retard.

>OYDR
Hmmm... can't decipher that one. Sorry, user.
But no, I've never come into a thread and flooded it, and if it's happening by accident I stop doing it.

Seriously, just kill yourself. No one can be that damn delusional.

Cite examples or stop trolling.

>y-you're trolling
More of that persecution complex, eh?
I'm not getting paid to post examples of your constant retardation. I don't even want to talk with you, I just want you to fuck off this board forever and ever.

>I'm not getting paid
You're not getting paid to shitpost here either, or keep stalking me just for talking about a show you hate for some reason that I still don't fully get...

>shitpost
I know it's difficult for someTHING as braindead as you are to understand that, but newsflash retard: you're the one who's shitposting all the motherfucking time hence why no one likes you or your mediocre cartoon by association.

WITCHfag, obviously.

Anime :^)

Why there is no global rule against W.I.T.C.H. if it was so bad as you fags claim?

how many times I have to correct you? I'TS CALLED W.I.T.C.H. YOU MONGOLOID

>I'TS
So close with your impersonation attempt, yet so far. Though I generally don't even bother correcting that anymore anyways.

I watched some episodes. It's alright. Haven't read the comics though.

What did you like/dislike about them?

>atrocious art style
>animation sucks dick
>magical girl shit
>boring magic and lame fights
>MCs are all bitches and no dudes
>uninteresting plot
It's really not that hard to understand, OP.

>MCs are all bitches and no dudes
You had me going for a second there. Well done.

really makes you think

Because one guy doesn't realize that this is Sup Forums, where EVERYTHING is hated.

I'm about halfway through season 1. I like the interplay with the magical world (Meridian) and Earth, with the random portals causing monsters to run lose on our world. Meridian is a cool place in terms of setting and I'd want to see more of it in the show.

The art is alright. Doesn't particularly wow me in terms of design or color choice, which is a shame. An improvement in the looks department would make the show much better.

There's a few male characters. One guy is the head of the rebellion in Meridian. There's also the goblin and ogre they hang out with, so you can't say its ALL girls in the cast.

Sorry, quoted wrong.

>"Why don't they just fly away?" Well, that's a good question: why don't they? This is why Kryptonite was invented for Superman. Characters with few physical limitations cannot be as credibly put in great peril.
In the comics Hay Lin was the only one able to fly. They were the ones who added that ability to the others. And almost all the other powers they had were almost useless when in peril. That's a pretty lame excuse to why they don't have the other powers they had in the comics.

Yeah, this is pretty much true. If they stuck to the abilities the girls actually had during the first arc, they would actually have been more limited than in the cartoon.

There were many fan complaints about them not flying in the comics originally, because they still had wings there and there was no explanation given until much later, making it feel like a retcon.
And if you think mind control and telekinesis are useless in peril, well...

But I'm curious what you think of the rest of that info. I found it (and the previous stuff I posted a while back, also from Andrew Nicholls) very interesting.

Everyone's already said it but I'm going to beat this dead horse into a pulp.

ONE faggot used to spam it in every thread and got offended when people tell him to shut the fuck up. Other Anons thought it was funny to poke a hornet's nest and fuck with him.

Afaik, Sup Forums really doesn't care about this show so the only time it ever comes up is when the autistic WITCHfag chimes in so now it has a bad rep on Sup Forums.

>Sup Forums really doesn't care about this show
t. newfag. Sup Forums used to love both the comics and the show

Actually I feel like posting the relevant info here, since I didn't actually do that last time:
>W.I.T.C.H. was a huge corporate entity, with Disney, plus Disney Comics, the Italian character and story creators, Jetix U.S., Jetix UK, the Family Channel, the toys, the French animators... you can’t be surprised on a project like that, with so many expectations, when you don’t exactly have a free hand. I think, all things considered, they were remarkably open to our ideas. We added Blunk, the Passling smuggler, and created a geography, an architecture, a history and a folklore for Meridian that supplemented and matched the comics in tone (I felt) but still let us make 26 episodes out of essentially only 6 issues of the comic. That was all they gave us at first and all we were told to work from.

>We went about it as you would prep a complicated film: binders full of ideas and suggestions, questions, alternatives, sketches, mini bios, a section for the girl’s hobbies, a section for their favorite foods. We read the comics, then made up a rough arc for our 26 the way you’d hang the roofbeam for a barn, and slowly began suspending the details from that beam. We knew we couldn’t hold off the reveal that Elyon was the heir to the Meridian throne forever... but we also knew that the audience knowing it and the W.I.T.C.H. girls not knowing it was good for a few episodes of dramatic irony. And we couldn’t sustain too many episodes of them knowing and not doing anything about it.

>Memos flew back and forth for months. Can Taranee create fire or can’t she? Can we please introduce Will’s dormouse now? (I think it was too close to Kim Possible’s naked mole rat for corporate comfort)

>The multi-panel page format permits certain digressions from logic which, from the fluid pace of a comic book, don’t become apparent. They aren’t pointed-to; made obvious, by the stricter requirements of a linear timed narrative. We never understood, if the W.I.T.C.H. girls’ job was to protect the good people of Meridian from this great evil in their land, and if they could open a portal anywhere they wanted... why they didn’t just pop open a hole and escort all the good guys through it, back to Earth, where there was plenty of food and nice clean houses. We couldn’t understand why, if this wall was created eons ago to divide Good from Evil… why there were good people living on the evil side. Nobody answered these questions to our satisfaction, they just said “Do whatever you can do.”

>We thought from the beginning having the girls in different grades was a problem; it would have been easier if they’d permitted us to make them all the same age. Scenes could have played with all six girls in the classroom. T’was not to be. We fought Disney over allowing the girls to leave the school grounds for lunch. For various unknowable “imitatability” reasons, they couldn’t do so, though the kids on Recess were much younger and did so all the time. We pointed out this necessarily pushed all action scenes to after school and into the evening – we were going to have a surfeit of night scenes. And extra story days, because of stuff that just couldn’t logically be accomplished between dinner and bedtime. Our argument didn’t wash. The comics had too many fans who liked things the way they were, etcetera. Also, this was our first non-comedy series ever, and we were aware that we were learning things and couldn’t push too hard.

>There was a big change at episode 7, when we were called to a meeting and told to “play down the girls” from now on because the series had been sold to Jetix, which had a young male audience. That was a fun meeting. We ended up boosting the monsters and the fights, not a bad thing.

>I just heard something funny from a friend. He bumped into Greg Wiseman, the showrunner for season two, and asked him why he hadn’t hired us to write any episodes. Greg told him that he looked at our resumes and we were just “sitcom writers.” Which, besides not being true (we worked on about 20 animated series before W.I.T.C.H., but because they’re non-Writers Guild they’re not on IMDB), it was kind of funny because later in the season the network complained the scripts weren’t funny enough and Greg was apparently asked to hire several “sitcom guys” to punch them up. Ah well, I should know better than to second-guess anyone with that difficult job...

Oh, and here's the original question for all this (interview by "Thinking 'Toon", whoever that is):
>I know you best for your work in animation. Even as an executive producer for the first season of the series W.I.T.C.H., you still weren’t in total control. How does the ladder work, and were you ever able to make it work to your advantage?

>And if you think mind control and telekinesis are useless in peril, well...
Irma's "mind control" was limited to very basic suggestion in the first arc, and Cornelia's telekinesis was limited to very small feats.
They would be helpful abilities but nothing that could just let them get out of any situtation.

Only one other question there:
>You stated that W.I.T.C.H. was one of the few (if any) non-comedy series that you’d written for. So, how was writing for that different than writing for an animated comedy? And, was it you and Vickers who had to adapt the comic book to the television series?

>We wrote the comprehensive season arc and each individual episode’s story within it. Each episode had to jigsaw into the ones before and after it, so we couldn’t leave too much story leeway to the freelance writers, all of whom did admirable work under great time pressure. Also, you couldn’t leave the freelancers to randomly create monsters or character quirks, or major plot turns, because those might not fit something established in another episode, or might duplicate destruction scenes or fight sequences, or bad-guy phrases. We wanted only so many of the creatures to slither, only so many to be able to fly, or breathe fire or to have multiple legs or scales, and so on.

>There was a big change at episode 7, when we were called to a meeting and told to “play down the girls” from now on
Is this why they changed the wicked transformation music to boring generic metal?

>Every freelancer had to read a daunting info packet containing way too much detail – “In the Infinite City, there are cement-like columns approximately every 20 feet, but also occasional block walls, though we want to see no stairways. No windows, no rain scenes please, no evil creatures until episode so-and-so because the baddies don’t discover the place exists until episode 22…” You have to eliminate the possibility that you’ll waste someone’s time because they didn’t know Hay Lin likes to eat other people’s food or that Caleb can’t refer to his father before episode 18. I found that stuff – envisioning an entire world and the ramifications of placing your characters in it – quite cool, Darrell somewhat less so. He’s much more the straight-ahead gag guy. In animated comedy you can normally sum up the world in 3 pages of bible: “It’s a magic forest, the animals can talk, and all the cops are skunks,” or whatever. That’s a natural result of the high-concept series pitch. We had to be much more meticulous on W.I.T.C.H. I liked it.

sites.google.com/site/thetoonmaster/interview_a.nicholls

I prefer the second transformation theme infinitely more, myself. But then I also prefer the international opening infinitely more, and apparently that's an deeply unpopular opinion.
(Guess I like music with actual beats/melody.)

But to answer your question, probably not, because if you read you'll see that they clarify that they went back and RE-WROTE those scripts, i.e. before production.
So it's unlikely the music was changed then.

how do you guys feel about the anime influence in .W.IT.CH?

It is what it is. Nothing to make a big deal out of.