Blue-pill af here. What exactly is the upside to depriving over 20 milliion US citizens of healthcare?

Blue-pill af here. What exactly is the upside to depriving over 20 milliion US citizens of healthcare?

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They're not exactly getting the healthcare in the first place. They're not going to be deprived if we set up a free, competitive market where the insurance is actually affordable and you actually get the product you pay for.

They die.

Trump is keeping the pre-existing conditions clause.

Also keep in mind that he will not simply repeal Obamacare, he will also replace it with a better plan. There will be no gap between the two.

You haven't read the proposals or the most recent statements, like the one where Trump said he'd keep the Obamacare bit that mandates coverage for preexisting conditions.
In short: your question makes no sense because no one is doing that.

Stop listening to the media and go actually look up the facts on your own.

Quite simply it is not working and a waste of cash because of it, see

niggers die

>depriving
Where do you get this from? I think you should prove this will be the result of what Trump will do.

How many times does Trump has to say he's is keeping the non-discrimination clause for pre-existing conditions?

By the way here is the short version of the plan:
>repeal most of Obamacare
>keep provisions like the mandated coverage of people with preexisting conditions
>implement HSAs
>end state barriers for health insurance plans
>allow full deductions of the health insurance premiums
>assign medicaid funds to the state governments
>get more transparency from the healthcare providers (in terms of costs, etc)
>remove barriers for medications

>Expecting the free market to fix healthcare prices
kek

>lol if we increase competition prices won't go down haha
>thinks Cuck Republic is like the USA
Ech

1) too expensive
b) my shekels

>expecting competition to drive prices down when insurance companies actually have to compete and aren't monopolies unto their own little enclosed areas state by state.

Yea what a crazy idea.

>Shit teir healthcare that you're forced to pay for even if you have no money.
Vs.
>God teir healthcare that's optional for all people.

Pick one.

Are we for that or against that?

Repeal AND REPLACE

Keywords are AND REPLACE

Obamacare was a scam.

Those of us who still can't fucking afford the healthcare plans offered under Obamacare will stop being forced to pay shitty tax penalties. Obamacare benefits only the extremely poor, the extremely rich don't care anyway because it won't affect them either way, the middle class gets fucked.

Why do you feel entitled to the work and success to other people who worked a decade to become doctors for free?

They die so natural selection can take place and society won't move towards Idiocracy.

The problem with Obamacare is that everybody pays your healthcare for you. This would be a great system if all people were equal, but the fact is they're not.

Some people have to work a lot harder, and others make much more money. How is it fair for people who worked their entire lives to build something great have to pay healthcare for a landwhale with no job that would rather have benefits than treatment?

Healthcare isn't illegal and Repealing Obamacare wont deprive people of health insurance unless they couldn't be eligible in the first place.

Repealing Obamacare isn't going to stop millions of dollars flowing into cancer treatment or veteran hospitals. It's going to remove a socialist tax from our society.

>t-the monopolies will magically go away
>i-insurance companies are the problem
I see you haven't done your research at all.

Insurance companies are the least culprit in all of this. What they get is what they negotiate with hospitals. Guess which industry is one of the most unregulated and uncompetitive in the entire country?

If you dont know the answer then maybe you shouldn't visit this board

they go to the emergency room and run up bills 5x as large as preventative healthcare

ERs can't turn them away everyone forgets this

This OP are you a retard?

Deport 12 million illegals, we all benefit.

Try to get past the 500 wetbacks clogging the emergency rooms in most cities. The free ride must end

>You haven't read the proposals or the most recent statements, like the one where Trump said he'd keep the Obamacare bit that mandates coverage for preexisting conditions.

so then, he's keeping everything important about obamacare

that'll show those libs

>the monopolies will magically go away
You do understand there are artificial barriers to competition in the US health insurance market, eurotard?

That's why the individual mandate was a thing.

Sup Forums should stick to memes instead of doing any actual research

>Trump is keeping the pre-existing conditions clause.
This is precisely the clause that drove the rates up when the bill passed. Trump should drop that shit like it's hot.

Imagine what would happen to car insurance premiums if you could choose to get a policy and make a claim right after you crashed your car.

a sacrifice to kek

Population control.

Yeah seriously. A free market seems to be doing this for every other thing is touches. But we don't want to apply the same logic that gives us amazing iPhones or plentiful food or safer. more efficient vehicles... to our own healthcare.

Why don't people want companies constantly lowering their prices and offering more stuff to win them over? I mean WOE IS ME THAT SOUNDS SSSSOOO HORRIBLE!

>>allow full deductions of the health insurance premiums

that sure will help people who don't pay taxes afford several hundred dollars a month for healthcare they don't have

I don't have to pay for them, while receiving nothing in return. I don't eat food from taco trucks.

>lol things that help the middle class are bad, the middle class doesn't exist, pls goobie

Those are the proverbial Mexican intellectuals?

>Healthcare isn't illegal and Repealing Obamacare wont deprive people of health insurance unless they couldn't be eligible in the first place.

OH WELL OK THEN

Healthcare will shift back to the free market in effect reducing drug prices etc. Because the government no longer has the power grant monopoly status to particular drug companies and they will be forced to compete

say, who are these 20 million, "1 post by this ID" ?

>That's why the individual mandate was a thing.

trump wants to repeal that

/read a book

user, let me say this as someone who lives in a country with 'freeeeee' healthcare - every single of those government programs will fail in the end. It won't be all at once, but with salami method. Tiny cut here, tiny cut there and before you realize it, normal hardworking citizens won't be able to afford the 'free healthcare' and only ones who will benefit will be brazen scum willing to take complete advantage of system.

why do I have to pay for someone else
next year the rate will be almost up to 2000
and then I won't be able to live in my home
why are you liberals convinced making the world poor will fix anything?

You and people like you are ruining the world and the lives of others because you stupid fucks think it is your job to protect everyone with someone else's money.

>amazing iphones
kek

>>Trump is keeping the pre-existing conditions clause.
>This is precisely the clause that drove the rates up when the bill passed. Trump should drop that shit like it's hot.

exactly

let's repeal obamacare by keeping the worst part of it

IM A GENIUS

This is cute.
You sound like an autistic British cutie.

Will pick whatever product you want to use as an example. The phone is still amazing if you think about it, with a calculator and camera and GPS. I mean 50 years ago that would of been science fiction. Now it's just a part of modern life and people don't want the same economics that produced THAT to apply to their own damn health.

>>lol things that help the middle class are bad, the middle class doesn't exist, pls goobie

would you turn the sick away from the ER?

doctors wont heal broken bones if you can't pay?

he's talking about people with pre-existing conditions you fucking retard

First, that number isn't true. A lot of people couldn't afford the healthcare they actually wanted anymore after Obamacare and were forced to take the more expensive, shittier Obamacare instead.

Second, the pre-existing conditions clause is staying.

Third, people couldn't afford to use the healthcare they've been provided anyway, nor did it cover a lot of the things most people needed. Unless you're telling me that a poor person could just pay a $10,000 - $15,000 deductible if they had an emergency.

>shift back to the free market in effect reducing drug prices etc
are you retarded?

>would you turn the sick away from the ER?

>doctors wont heal broken bones if you can't pay?

What the fuck does this have to do with tax deductions on health insurance you mouthbreathing cockvacuuming inbred piece of manure?

>why do I have to pay for someone else

why do i have to pay taxes, i didn't even want to go to war with iraq

youtube.com/watch?v=TPJfKdp3bDs

Everyone is going to have healthcare

I miss when Trump supported Universal Healthcare, but all his cuck advisors (read big pharma's sex toys) advised him that he'd lost votes over it, so he backed down from that position. Oh well, at least my freelancing "business" will get taxed less.

:(

>b8

Nah, gonna take a lot more deregulation than simply repealing, or even worse, amending Obamacare. You have to start cutting FDA powers, medical licensure, etc. Then you'll see affordable healthcare.

Of course, the medical industry will push back hard, because that means the end of their oligopoly. When doctors are faced with the prospect of competing with people who can deliver generally effective healthcare for far less without having to spend 8 years in university, go into crushing debt, and pay to join their special club, they will take to the streets and cry about how quacks will kill everyone.

>trump wants to repeal that

And that's exactly the problem. The individual mandate was the best thing about Obamacare. It forced people to buy insurance and take responsibility for their healthcare.

THE IPHONE 7 HAS NO HEADPHONE JACK!

unfortunately they don't. they can't be turned away from ERs (where most niggers take their kids for a fever or headache instead of going to an urgent care, since even though an urgent care is cheap, you pay when you go instead of being able to let 50x the amount go to collections)

OR

they're on medicaid already.

>What exactly is the upside to depriving over 20 milliion US citizens of healthcare?

Not killing middle class Americans with ever increasing taxes

A lot of them are private sector side

AMA has a monopoly over issuing licenses to practitioners. Medical school costs are extraordinarily huge of a burden on doctors. Medical and pharmaceutical equipment comes with a higher premium than pretty much any other country on the planet.

>b-but the government
No shut the fuck up. The lobbyists had all of their fucking hands over Obamacare and they knew exactly what they were doing with it- injecting life into a decaying free market healthcare system.

(((Trump))) isn't going to remove it precisely for that reason.

Are you economically illiterate?

Stupid question, the answer is obvious.

He does support universal healthcare access.

Yeah but what's the fucking whole fucking point of getting insurance, car or other wise if it's not going to cover the cost of those things? It's fucking useless. And a wrecked car isn't the same as a medical condition you have ZERO physical control over. Insurance is such a scam, they want to just collect money and offer no actual product as much as they can get away with.

A company that would cover those conditions would make themselves more marketable and competitive then a company that looks for every excuse to keep charging you hundreds a month and not shill out a fucking shekel if they can help it.

Well he should of fucking mentioned that you fucking cuck.

Okay I'm not fucking arguing with you. Read the fucking post or fuck off.

WTF TRUMP YOU COMMIE

It should not be the government's job for a man to take care of his own health, unless of course he's mentally ill and doesn't recognize he has a problem.

the upside is you're not forcing those 20 million americans to pay for healthcare they can't afford and will never receive anyway

get bent commie

I'm on Obamacare. It's shit. Because they utilize for profit companies we can only go to doctors that, without Obamacare, wouldn't be in business. Which I could live with, if it was cheap. And it is for me (~ 50/mo for medical and dental), but it costs the taxpayers almost $600.00/month. It's a system that bloats insurance companies bottom line with taxpayer money at the cost of the medical benefits for the poor.

What we need is either to utilize non-profit organizations or a single payer system and a balanced budget. Trump's plan is shit, but so is Obamacare.

>big companies are not known to make agreements to fuck people to death

>No shut the fuck up. The lobbyists had all of their fucking hands over Obamacare and they knew exactly what they were doing with it- injecting life into a decaying free market healthcare system.
Oh wow, a retarded commie. I didn't expect much better from a fucking Czuck.
Look you piece of shit, fucking kill yourself before you spout more garbage like this.

>inb4 but muh free market is a lie!
>inb4 but muh state run businesses!
>inb4 but muh universal healthcare works with muh NOTUS' Niggacare
You're a fucking faggot.

You said pick a product and I gave the example of the iphone 7.
Expensive as fuck, with no headphone jack. Less quality and higher price. Sounds like private healthcare.

>98163908

see

it's so great to know the context of history will ALWAYS know this. Hoovervilles, Obamacare... are there any other Presidentnoun things people know of?

How exquisite, exactly the opposite of what happens here in Brazilistan.
But in your mind of course state-run shit will work, right fucking pinko bitch?

Your country is a poverty shithole btw. Try adopting the American healthcare system pre Obamacare. I dare you to.

SHITSKINS DON'T DESERVE RIGHTS. HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA EXTERMINATE THE PAKIS.

The upside is filling them with the sense of pride that comes from self determination.

The state does not exist to provide for you. I know somewhere along the line people in the west came to this conclusion-- but it's not here to wipe your ass.

>what's the fucking whole fucking point of getting insurance, car or other wise if it's not going to cover the cost of those things?
It will. Insurance companies CAN insure people with preexisting conditions. It's just that the premiums are going to be ludicrous, because the likelihood of that condition requiring treatment is near 100%. So instead of dealing with customers crying to the government and media about how they have to pay $10k/month for health insurance when they have cancer, they simply refuse to do business with them.

An insurance company exists to make money. It also exists to cover people in case something happens to them. The premiums it charges are based on their risk assessment; the lower the risk, the lower the premiums. If you force companies to take people who are guaranteed to be a drain on the pool of funds, someone else has to pick up the slack. That someone is all the healthy people with insurance policies, whose premiums skyrocket as a result.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. You cannot get something for nothing. It's a very simple concept that people continue to ignore.

Not sure, maybe you should ask the 19 trillion dollar national debt those said 20 million Americans are happily increasing.

Forcing people to buy insurance was the best thing about Obamacare?
kys

Spite.

>people are not known to choose where to spend their money
>courts don't exist to financially ruin companies and lay criminal charges against those executives who fuck people to death
pls

Personally I don't think you should have to

They'l just have to pay for it. Like the rest of us.

It would be better than what we have now you dumbfuck.
>BUT MUH STATE CANT DO NO WRONG
We have state health insurance and state-run universal healthcare, guess what, they suck.
For people who afford private insurance though, everything is fine, I did a surgery not long ago and I paid about 1000 usd, meanwhile on public shitfest healthcare I'd have waited for a fucking year and died on the operating table.

Taxation is theft regardless of reason.

>An insurance company exists to make money. It also exists to cover people in case something happens to them. The premiums it charges are based on their risk assessment; the lower the risk, the lower the premiums. If you force companies to take people who are guaranteed to be a drain on the pool of funds, someone else has to pick up the slack. That someone is all the healthy people with insurance policies, whose premiums skyrocket as a result.
It doesn't work like that. Young people pay out of the ass for healthcare premiums in the US while the elderly don't. Having kids is probably the most expensive premium you can pay for.

The problem with this argument is that a huge chunk of the US private sector is now racked up in some kind of medical related debt and medical bankruptcy remains once of the leading causes.

Also hospitals don't give a shit. They can charge whatever the fuck they want, regardless of what the doctor thinks is appropriate to charge. That's why similar treatments between hospitals can vary so widely. Imagine going into one supermarket and seeing coke for $600and finding it to be $1 at the next nearest store that you can't get to. That's how fucked the US healthcare system is.

Before you guys meme on, please read this

uta.edu/faculty/story/2311/Misc/2013,2,26,MedicalCostsDemandAndGreed.pdf

Well guess what, one of Trump's proposals is to force transparency on healthcare costs.

>BUT MUH
Fuck.
Off.
Fucking.
COMMIE
BITCH
SHILL

>For people who afford private insurance though, everything is fine, I did a surgery not long ago and I paid about 1000 usd, meanwhile on public shitfest healthcare I'd have waited for a fucking year and died on the operating table.
Having a private insurance in a state run healthcare system is different than having a private insurance in a mandatory private insurance run healthcare system. That's true across the board in every country that lets you purchase private insurance (i.e. Switzerland/Australia). Jesus you can't seriously be this stupid. Brazilians are niggers.

>huehuehue having private health insurance is bad in AN ENVIROMENT CREATED BY OBAMACARE
>Dude like, you have state run free healthcare, that is what drives insurance down (WHICH IS WHY EVEN PEOPLE WHO EARN ALMOST NOTHING STILL BUY FUCKING HEALTHCARE AND ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BASICALLY COMPLETELY DESTITUTE USE STATE HEALTHCARE)
You're a fucking mongoloid.
Have you tried killing yourself?

I mean your
>lol competition doesn't decrease costs
routine is becoming pretty fucking stale

>he actually believes this

Trump is keeping the pre-existing clause. It turns out he was just pretending to be stupid in order to get idiots to vote for him. He'll probably admit global warming is real by the time he's inaugerated

Fake and gay

>being this owned
Better turn out that computer before another brownout comes through your favela

Not paying for it

Insurance is cheap as fuck here

You can afford it on autism bux

>lol u got owned by my lack of arguments
>haha favelado!
Why don't you get some actual facts to back your shit up before I smack your pretty little ass with my BBC?

Or better yet, I'll get your King Nigger Obama to help me rail you from both sides, you Czucked Retard.