Supers vs. Military

So I just finished watching that Gate anime, you know where some rpg world decides to invade Japan and Japan royally screws em up. This got me thinking, What would happen if "our" military decided to royally fuck up a super world. I know what you're going to say, "hurr they can just blow the military out of the water." This may be true for the DC universe where they are more or less organized, but maybe the Marvel universe, where they're fractured beyond belief. Do you think our Military has a good chance, especially if they utilize the "divide and conquer" approach?

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Yo, you realize our military can't even beat Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria. All military LOSSES. Our generals should all be stripped of command.

Can't we just nuke them or something?

Trying to occupy, pacify and convert a country to your way of thinking while following strict laws is a little different from simply trying to annihilate the enemy.

It's our brilliant leaders that came up with an unwinnable strategy. After 18-years of non-stop war, it's clear our military has lost. Since WWII, we have won Iraq War I, but lost the Korean War, Vietnam, Iraq War II and III (surge), Afghanistan I and II (surge), Libya, Somalia, and Syria. We also lost proxy wars in Georgia and Ukraine. Russia actually wins, and annexed large swathes of Georgia and Crimea. If you doubt that we lost, please tell me the territory and resources we've won, as well as the victory parades we've celebrated for bringing our victorious soldiers home.

I was thinking more of a type of gas, one that kills the supers but leaves the civilian population be. Might as well get some of those prototype weapons that Stark never approved on once he went pacifist.

supers aren't a homogenous population. you've got humans is technological suits, aliens, dieties, magical entities, robots, etc etc. you could never get a single weapon to affect them all equally that wouldn't just kill humans too.

That's on our world. If it comes to ayy lmao tech, you better believe we'll go full ham.

you're largely buying into the bullshit idea that our military are righteous upstanding heroes who are just restricted by all these regulations , whereas the reality is that our military has way too much money and resources and thats lead to corporate greed overriding sense, and an institutional inability to change practices

warontherocks.com/2015/11/millennium-challenge-the-real-story-of-a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/

foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/27/americas-military-doesnt-need-more-money-what-it-needs-is-an-engaged-public-to-demand-a-genuine-strategy/

Then how about a poisoning from the inside out. You know, where we infiltrate institutions they depend on, cripple them, wait for them to eat each other, and pick up the pieces. That or release a gas which causes zombification and once they kill each other out, we offer "help" that unfortunately comes too late, and spray the affected areas with an aerosol cure?

The best you can do is to somehow rip off supers and defeat them x com style.

>Do you think our Military has a good chance, especially if they utilize the "divide and conquer" approach?

No, becouse you're forgetting they also have a military of their own, probably even bigger and far more technologically advanced than ours, if we were to do that we would end up being the retarded RPG world of the story

>Do you think our Military has a good chance, especially if they utilize the "divide and conquer" approach?
nukes are the only weapon we have within arms reach of our selves that would help against superman

>You know, where we infiltrate institutions they depend on, cripple them, wait for them to eat each other, and pick up the pieces.
>release a gas which causes zombification

This is why I hate what batman has become, because the existence of his character encourages thinking like this. those proposals aren't plans or even really ideas. they're just bullshit plot devices for "tough guy" characters to enact so they can plot armor through anything.

what insitutions are you talking about? cripple them how? why would they eat each other, proverbially or otherwise? You're just saying words that sound special ops esque.

as for the zombie idea...
"what if i beat up magic guy with deus ex machina"? with this you're just inventing a plot device power that says "i win". zombies aren't real and even if they were they would fail before biting even one person. I'm tired of them coming up in fiction.

You forget the military of the Marvel universe is the equivalent of a star wars storm trooper, where they shoot at everything but the target. Most of them don't even know how to work half their tech, much less aim a straight line.

>our
If you mean US then no.

>can't outsmart fanatics who use homemade bombs
>thinks he can infiltrate a world for decades and get access to top secret weapons
What is this retardation?

Hey, the defense industry has to justify its bullshit bloated projects somehow.

You do know in WW2 the alternative to the bombs was the war of attrition right? Where we would use a combination of blowing the shit out of them and blocking every port right, meaning no food in, no help coming. On the zombie part, hey, you never know what we scooped up from ayy lmaos or the Japs or whatever we accidentally made.

>where they shoot at everything but the target
Against main characters, we are not main characters we are the villian of the week, if you're really going to go with cartoon logic you can just argue we will lose becouse becouse we are the evil conquerors from another dimension

I understand what words mean, but you're just saying them without any depth or understanding and expecting it to sound cool

>what insitutions are you talking about? cripple them how? why would they eat each other, proverbially or otherwise?

to continue, what the hell is the equivalent to a port for superman? what resources? blockade what? where? how?

>On the zombie part, hey, you never know what we scooped up from ayy lmaos or the Japs

then we got a terrible bioweapon that wouldn't spread effectively, due to it's necessary extreme specialization would probably very vulnerable to our immune system so it would become significantly less effective over time, the zombies would at most last a week before deteriorating, and wouldn't be effective at anytime below 32 degrees or above 80.

the bioweapon equivalent of a hand gun that backfires every other shot.

Then how about this then. Have you ever seen that one episode of the Twilight Zone where the lights go out and then they all turn on each other in the end because some kid said it was similar to a comic he read, and in the end it really was aliens yet all they did was flick the lights on and off, and waited for them to kill each other. What if we did something similar and what would the equivalent be?

Marvel would kick our asses in a few days. DC in just hours.

>lost Korea

Are you high?

>would help against superman

Superman can tank universal destruction, exploding suns and break timelines. A single nuke is not going to do jackshit to him.

In a world full of super heroes willing to help people when they need them? They would find a way to recover from the energy crisis.

>"Our"

I assume you mean the DC and Marvel Military which have access to black hole guns and magic (actual magic) satellite cannons.

Even then the answer is hell no, the military cannot take capes.

In DC you have to remember the weakest Green Lantern like G'nort or Ch'pp is capable of killing a planet. A lantern ring is essentially a miniaturized star trek ship complete with teleporter, replicator, and even holo deck.

Marvel the military fares much better because the general power levels are lower and Sentinels are pretty strong when someone makes them stop jobbing. But even then you have to remember that Bendis was only able to make Civil War work by putting all the powerful guys either in the neutral camp or in the registration camp.

Spider-Man level is one thing, but Thor, Dr. Strange, Reed, those guys are so far beyond the military's means to deal with.

If you think what the US is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan is what unrestricted warfare looks like then you have no clue what you're talking about.

No, of course not. Unrestricted is what you get when you go to Vietnam.

Most high level superhumans tank nukes at minimum for durability. Some tank stars exploding.

The problem is we're not trying to conquer. If we wanted to we could just go full medieval war, kill the men and breed a docile slave race with their women.

We're trying to do the "beat them and make us our allies' that worked with Germany and Japan. But the mid-east is not Germany or Japan. There's no sane faction to prop up in the mid-east. It's just zealots vs zealots.

Honestly even Vietnam wasn't as unrestricted as WW2.

You really think people would let the government get away with Dresden and Tokyo firebombings let alone the nukes in the current day? They barely get away with drone strikes.

Comics are a goofy land where the patriarchy is real, citizens have the same tech as us and everyone who’s anyone is either literally a baby eating monster trying to push world conquest/destruction or a neurotic asshat hero who won’t go an hour without fighting the folks on their own side or actually improving the world’s security aggainst cosmics while the legitimate governments deploy security killbots that only target their own citizens instead of you know....actually getting the capes to stop being dipships.

We collect some 3rd rate super science from spies and then actually apply and build on it.

Then we won the Korean War
We gained South Korea, whereas the commies only gained North Korea, which is a huge shithole

Our military beat the Ba'athists and the Taliban government, you mong. And were not at war in Syria; it's just some advisors while the Kurds do all the fighting.

He only considers reforming mid-easterners into decent human beings as "victory".

To be fair in a few centuries DC is literally Star Trek level because of all the contributions superhumans made to society.

yeah, thats why i put in an article about the millenium challenge. and how it shows that ultimately we aren't even really prepared for that.

wearethemighty.com/articles/that-time-a-marine-general-led-a-fictional-iran-against-the-us-military-and-won

>Honestly even Vietnam wasn't as unrestricted as WW2

attacking countries we aren't even at war with, lying to the press and the international community about the war's origins, perpetrating massacres, and dropping more ordinance than was dropped in the entirety of WW2 (7 million tons in Vietnam vs 2 million in ww2) , is pretty god damn unrestricted.

They barely get away with drone strikes.
which is why they do them constantly and in countries all around the world that we aren't even at war with. against people we can't identify.

god damn you're retarded.

we've not won a war since '45 and we weren't even taking on A list countries. Eiling would fucking walk all over us

Vietnam was very restricted in that there was no goal for victory only stalemate, and we were unwilling to get into a larger conflict with USSR/China.

I see only a few ways to make this actually work.

Put them at a lower tech level. The Superpowers are a stop gap to cover their tech inferiority. This could range from primitives to say ww2 tech.

Bad end. Super powered have carved themselves out into fiefdoms, with the modern state a failed institution. This pits modern nations against warlords who won't be able to field modern capacities even with the same or similar tech level. Tech after all needs institutions, trained people and the machinery to utilize it.

That's because we're not trying to kill them indiscriminately. If we were allowed to do that, those countries would be glassed over and/or carpet bombed to oblivion.

In other words, street-level supers who rely on tactics and technique are fucked over by mass destruction. Let's see what Batman can do against poison/chemical gas that kills you upon skin contact, especially if he insists on keeping that jaw uncovered.

Here's the thing.

Vs Marvel, we get fucked by anything Thor/Hulk-level and up.

We have a chance versus power armor/tech users. So Stark, Tchalla, are doable if not difficult.

Enhanced humans without enhanced vigor are dead. Crossbones killed Steve with a gun. Bullseye regularly kills heroes in many what-ifs. If you're human or a mutant and have no special invulnerability, you're dead.

We can probably bring down Wolverine/Deadpool-healing factor heroes by sheer damage. Rockets or DUP rounds fired by aircraft. Keeping them down is going to be difficult but not impossible.


So:
Against Avengers, we can win if it's the likes of Cap, Bucky, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Spidey. Once Tony and similar enter the picture, it gets harder. Thor/Carol/Nova/Hulks come in and it's GG.

Against X-men, as long as we get the bead on the telepaths, we have a fighting chance. The Cyclopses, Havoks and Wolverines will not be a problem if we keep our range. But once the OP shit like the Phoenixes or tanks like Colossus/Juggernaught come in, it's GG.

Cosmic Marvel, don't even think about it.

It's hard to blockade a society that has access to dimensional teleporters and FTL travel.

Just a thought on getting the civilians to turn against the supers.

If we're genre-savvy, at least for Marvel, we could expose the Illuminati, X-Force, Thunderbolts, and the tons of villains that exist because of the heroes' missteps.

That might work.

That was so restricted.

Take for example Operation Linebacker II. Prior to that, we were NOT allowed to regularly bomb targets within North Vietnam.

That was authorized in 1972. Way too late to make a difference.

That comic already exists, it's called Supergod and the military loses badly in the first issue.
If you have shit taste you may take a look at Über.

>dropping more ordinance than was dropped in the entirety of WW2

That's because there's a 30 year tech gap. Of course your B-52 is going to carry way more bombs than a B-17. And of course your bombs are going to be bigger, more potent.

If the fucking punisher can kill every marvel character then the answer is yes

Gate was a shitty anime desu

No. They may have a chance if marvel only had middle range powers but it has mutants that can destroy the world individually, doctor stranger, sentry and many others could single handily destroy the military.

The Korean war is technically still going

"some advisors" is how we started getting entangled in Vietnam

ROE severely limited what the military could do in those situations

>attacking countries we aren't even at war with

the US and allies usually bombed the fuck out of occupied towns for the sake of it, flattening a lot of northern France, and also performed raids into Norway and the middle east. And lets not forget espionage acton in places like Spain, or the war reaching as far as South America

>lying to the press and the international community about the war's origins

how much do you know about WW2, exactly? the US pretty openly provoked Japan and ignored warnings to let it happen

>perpetrating massacres, and dropping more ordinance than was dropped in the entirety of WW2 (7 million tons in Vietnam vs 2 million in ww2) , is pretty god damn unrestricted.

>what was Dresden
>what was Tokyo
>what were Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>implying the US didn't execute a shit ton of prisoners
>implying the Pacific theater wasn't just a giant war crime festival

winning ain't pretty