>go to son's HS guidance counselor
>She talks about focus on STEAM classes
>"Steam"? You have classes on the gaming platform?
>No user. STEAM - Science Technology Engineering "ART" Mathematics
>MFW snowflakes now trying to make art on level with real degrees
>MFW there's a nationwide push
What's the fuck. Next we're going to have sociologists demanding 100k per year because "mah ewual duhgee"
The market will be the judge of that. Just because there's a supply of angsty, entitled SJW doesn't mean there will be a corresponding demand for them.
Just sucks for whatever dumb kids get scammed out of 4 years of their lives and however many thousands
Chemistry teacher here. We think it is fucking retarded too. We were joking that why the fuck don't you add history and english while you are at it because they are fucking worthless like art.
STEM was already a meme for including the life sciences. Throw A in their too, it's already a joke term.
Everyone should just take E instead.
the only art thats somewhat valuable is business
even then its still a fucking art and not a science
EM was alread a meme for including engineering.
Everyone should just take M instead.
It's important to develop artistic skills as artistic reasoning can help you become a well rounded human being. That said, if you don't take science you will grow up retarded
It serves them and their parents right for being such dumb fucks. A 12th grader has more than enough brainpower to know an art degree is worthless.
>artistic reasoning
Kek
>mfw we've all been taking art classes since grade school in the U.S.
>mfw people are driven to complain about meaningless shit like this on an online forum unironically
Oh, and let me guess, you're going to (((red pill))) me on the subject now...
How is history worthless. Don't we learn history to learn from our mistakes and use our knowledge of history to make new ideas for politics?
you can develop those skills outside of the class room, id take socialisation and oration are the two most important arts anyway, none of them require a fucking university course let alone tests and thousands in tuition
This. It should be just tiers like
>SM
>TE
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>A
>all these STEM autists with their 50-200k salaries
Go big or go home you cucks
If you don't use math in the class it is worthless.
Also biology and life sciences are social science humanities bullshit.
People shouldn't have to be told what degrees are worthwhile and which are not worth the paper they are printed on.
>How is history worthless.
because it creates nothing of value
> Don't we learn history
Not really because times change and so do the circumstances surrounding the current events. You cant talk about society today as if it is the same as it was in 1940, it isnt.
History and English aren't worthless, but fuck if I know why Art is in with STEM.
If anything History is more important now then ever because it seems like none of the faggot kids today know anything about history
LMAO
If it's subjective, it isn't science.
As a degree it's worthless. What can you learn from history classes that you couldn't learn on your own? At least STEM classes give you access to labs and facilities.
I figure if you're gonna make a push from STEM to STEAM you're going to need to refocus art degrees.
Adding more technical classes, more CAD, and a higher emphasis on creating an end product that works well.
I know that sounds like industrial design, but I feel like most art majors end up doing graphic design, teaching, or ID. Some may luck out and get a decent income off their art, but that's so rare it's like going NFL out of college.
Oh, code monkeys are at it again pretending they're "tech elite".
Ok.
history and English are absolutely necessary. Well, history would be necessary if they taught it rather then the shit they're forcing into kids heads now days.
>why Art is in with STEM.
sjew cunts are butthurt about their degrees being worthless and so rather than studying something of value, they will instead rather insist and meme their degrees into STEM prestige.
little do they realise that the world doesnt exist to accommodate them and their bullshit delusions.
You are a moron if you think a classroom is required to learn anything ESPECIALLY in the 21st century.
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Magnet school teacher here. I told you faggots about this.
No one believed me
>public funded schooling that teaches you how to read, write, do math, etc
>comparing to personally taking on debt or forcing your parents to pay for an art meme degree
ok
>>>/reddit/
One of these things is not like the other. 99% of liberal arts majors gets this wrong! Can you figure it out?
Where did I say anything of the sort in my post? I said being enrolled in STEM classes gives access to facilities, not that the classes were required to learn.
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Art is about teaching kids creative thinking and how to manipulate external objects to express their intentions. You're fucking stupid if you think it isn't important to developing brains. The exact same thought processes that go into making a painting or sculpture can be transferred to making cellphone-triggered IEDs and similar. However, you can't have kids making IEDs, so you have them make a sculpture that expresses an idea they have.
>art
no
>design
yes
Being this retarded.
>wanting your son to end up an autistic STEMlord with no appreciation for culture
>manipulate external objects to express their intentions
So engineering?
E is only a joke because they include CS which every autist takes and then gets mad that he can't find a job when he's competing against Pajeet.
Real engineering disciplines are still the way to go.
That's true, but it's still a systematic, officially-endorsed scam that can have a devastating effect on future economy.
It's an harmful initiative that shouldn't have seen the light of the day.
Oh you made a work asymmetrical missile.
I made one from matchsticks it doesn't work literally but it's an inspiring message about the futility of violent warfare.
Where's my grant money?
lol
art is superior in every possible way insofar as pleasure is concerned
science is superior in every way possible insofar as logic is concerned
but neither is a COMPLETE system of thought
qua life
While I think STEM is great I think that it is right for it to include art. That said, I think the tech aspect is over represented. I do think we need to include every aspect needed for a thriving society. They should include medicine too, and government work.
I propose SMEGMA for the next educational reform.
>taking a degree in order to learn to appreciate something
filthy fucking pleb, that's what boarding school is for
>We should totally repeat the same mistakes over and over again
Illustrator here, fuck off, art isn't STEM and never will be.
>If it's subjective, it isn't science.
We might be able to use this to trick people into making good art again by creating standards.
>biology
>social science
I don't understand.
user, the Chemistry department where I work knows more about biochem, genetics, and molecular biology than the Bio wing does.
Not even fucking joking either we have a Dr. in micro bio and and I duel majored in chem/molecular bio
Engineering and physics abide by strict laws. Theres no much room for creativity there.
Its real? Why is it real? Who made it real?
WHO DID IT user
NAME NAMES
>transform research policy to place Art + Design at the center of STEM
>influence employers to hire artists and designers to drive innovation
topkek
It could actually be possible to make a very good technical art program, but it's unlikely that's what this is about.
>M
>Ever getting a job
>It's important to develop autistic skills as autistic reasoning can help you become a well rounded human being. That said, if you don't take science you will grow up retarded
FTFY
fuck off valve
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At my uni the A stands for Architecture, which is pathetic but a hell of a lot better than average "art"
Sadly my version is more true
All bio teachers, at least in high school, are morons and are generally treated the same way we treat the history and world language teachers.
The only teachers with any value to the school systems are chem, physics, physical science (chem and physics), math, and some of the more technical teachers like woods, auto, and cad
I would argue that the fine arts can be a hard science.
but even then there's still no point to a degree, It's still useless. All that matters is your portfolio
from the people I know, some of the very best jobs are from an art background
webdesign, architecture, marketing, graphic design, industrial design, sculpting, photography for everything from corporate flyers to food commercials, I could go on.
late-capitalism is an extremely visual culture, and you need trained experts who can make things visually appealing.
(it isn't like the old days when you just bought blender 1 or 2 at the local store, or ate at the 1 restaurant in town)
I don't fucking know. I just know me and the physics teacher mock it all the fucking time
>competing against Pajeet.
DESU if you lose to Pajeet you deserve to be gassed
Engi is all about creativity mate, its autism of STEM. Its like a puzzle, but you make your own pieces.
t.Engineer
>architecture
>pathetic
Watch your mouth boy
>insofar as pleasure is concerned
Pleasure is not concerned
Fuck off
Good to see you found a platform to get along with other autists. Believe it or not some of us believe in Liberal Arts so that we can communicate and convince others of how to apply the principles you anti-social spergs discover in your dungeons.
>influence employers to hire artists and designers to drive innovation
Aaaand there it is.
You mean we need to place all those giga faggots somewhere now?
>he actually thinks pajeets can compete
I heard this argument from one of the humanities teachers when he was trying to tell me it was unethical to win a robot race competition by putting weapons, a radio jammer, and a bottle rocket on my robot
>all the people ITT shitting on Art
do you faggots even realize how hard it is to find someone who can produce aesthetically pleasing designs?
there are shitloads of engineers being churned out of our universities who have garbage tier product portfolios. its fucking terrible.
good art actually requires a lot of practice and skill development, and the hands on kind of skills you develop doing art cross over into all kinds of other professions. particularly trade skills that deal with finish work.
>We were joking that why the fuck don't you add history and english while you are at it because they are fucking worthless like art.
>we should never learn from our past and speak to eachother in machinecode
>TFW struggling 18-year old novel and screenwriter still in High School
Actually why don't they just add mathematics back into Liberal Arts? That's honestly where it belongs anyways.
>TFW struggling 18-year old novel and screenwriter still in High School
You gonna starve to death bud
yeah hey nice one guy
here's your (you) pal
If there were no artists in the world it would be more boring.
If there were no engineers we would be cavemen.
We don't need more artists, we always need more engineers.
Did you make valid counterarguments to dissuade what sounds to be a total pussy?
>Missing the point this fucking badly
i had to listen to 4 lefty cuck "family members" the other day go on about how people who insult "the arts" are "uneducated white trash" and "probably hate people with glasses too!"
its like they all sit there and pat each others backs.
I've never seen a stressed out artists, besides archtects maybe.
but i know a lot of engineers with broken marriages, bad health and alc problems.
That's why I'm trying to learn a trade while working at Radioshack.
>MFW I realize what I just said
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Yea, I told him we are doing it because we can and ethics are for losers
>its like they all sit there and pat each others backs.
the entire political and media establishment
American education
Why do I feel so much superior when I read those thread?
Most of them are autistic and have bad social skills. Their wives are almost always so form of gold digger or are slutty chicks that married them in order to avoid starvation after hitting the wall.
Source: Used to do database stuff for a civil engineering firm. Their wives were all 10/10 but obviously didn't seem to care all that much about them. Also about once every six months someone would have to take leave in order to deal with infidelity.
Art is depressing if you don't agree with the leftist hive mind.
You'll never get anywhere(big) if you have right leaning opinions, but you'll make it by if you're really good enough.
>valid
Close enough.
This
Really hope you laughed in her face. Somehow I just know it was a her.
There's a reason were not bringing a bunch of pajeets in to paint pictures.
History is worthless as a degree. If it's just to learn about hings, then it's fine. I'm doing chemical engineering and usually take history courses whenever I can. They also can help promote critical thinking.
I agree. Artists are special. Without all you math monkeys, who will build the theaters, art museums, concert halls, listening devices, etc?
>tfw literature
>tfw still not included in meme degrees
>You'll never get anywhere(big) if you have right leaning opinions
literally no one gives a fuck about your political opinions in the art world unless you're a contemporary douchebag who sells garbage to launder money.
>aesthetically pleasing
Shit doesn't need to be aesthetic, just functional.
This isn't exactly true of the motion picture arts, though.
Novels yes, however
this applies extremely heavily.