I just read Issue 1 of Doomsday clock. I don't know what Sup Forums's reaction was...

I just read Issue 1 of Doomsday clock. I don't know what Sup Forums's reaction was, but I thought it was brilliant and can't wait to continue reading. Tonally and thematically it felt like a proper sequel, while still making relevant political commentary.

Am I in the minority?

you're retarded

Mixed.

Personally, I think the good outweighs the bad. I like the tone, Mime and Marionette, the art, and dialogue (something I think Geoff Johns does not get enough credit for in general).

However, I did not want a sequel or follow-up to Watchmen. I thought that even though the ending was open-ended, the story did not need to be continued. Now we have the themes of Watchmen transferring over into the main DCU, but it is too hamfisted and in-your-face to be enjoyable. Subtly is not a strength of Johns, who I think is biting off a bit more than he can chew here. I think he is better off writing straightforward, yet fun, stories like his Green Lantern or Aquaman. Any attempt at metaphor or social/political commentary will just fall flat because at the end of the day, Johns likes his big bombastic events, and this story has no right to be one of those.

It is a shame too because there is really nowhere to discuss the story. Sup Forums threads are overly negative while other forums act like this story is the second coming of Christ. I'm glad you're enjoying it, and I hope the next issues can give me some more faith in Johns.

I personally believe that... I have no idea. The issue just. Ends.

Look, Doomsday Clock is a graphic novel, and I don't think serializing it was a good idea.
First part of the issue is very good, later parts seems to drag on weirdly. This is not a paced like a 12 issue series, it's paced like a graphic novel spread into 12 arbitrary chunks.

I don't think it was brilliant, it was alright, it'll probably get better as it goes, but people here are shitting on it simply because they don't like the idea rather than the actual content of the book, it's a bit on the nose sure, but I fail to see how it's actually bad

I think it's as good as a sequel to Watchmen could be. So far it's like a solid 8.5/10 which is really good in absolute terms, but is still dwarfed by the greatness of the source material.

I like it, and I didn't think I would. I like it whilst recognizing the problems with it existing in the first place.

Ordered one of the promotional pins off of Ebay, hype.

You should be able to get them for free in a LCS, I've got like, 4

Fuck me, I spent six dollars. LCS closed down like a year back. Sad, the owner was a really great guy.
Just glad I have one though, I guess.

Man that sucks, in London there are a surprisingly large handful and they all seem to be doing well enough to stay afloat, guess the UK market is smaller but possibly more dedicated? $6 isn't too bad, they do look pretty cool.

I like it, but I think the reason for bringing along Mime and Marionette is pretty weak.

How many days left til the next issue, four?

>smaller, more dedicated
That sounds about right.

This Wednesday so yes, 4 days including Wednesday

You're in the majority but in this case the majority is filled with brain-dead retards.

It's far from the worst thing I've read but Johns has very little talent and this book is no exception. It's a painfully vapid sequel that doesn't understand what made the original so great and is quite obviously a corporate mandate trying to cash in the still lucrative Watchmen franchise. There's absolutely no subtlety to the writing and Johns treats his readers like idiots, though he isn't that far off the mark. His Rorschach and Ozymandias sound like they're written by a child trying to reproduce the originals. Mime and Marionette are decent additions but they bring very little new to the table. The art is serviceable but in comparison to Gibbons' work is simply bland and lifeless. The very concept of crossing the Watchmen universe with the DC universe is in itself a dubious concept, especially when it so clearly goes against everything the creators intended for the characters.

While I agree with a lot of what you've said, you do realise Rorschach II is basically meant to be a kids/teens understanding of Rorschach right?

I'm sorry but "don't worry, it's supposed to be retarded" doesn't cut it for me.

Johns and Frank are trying to be like Daddies Moore and Gibbons, and failing

When the charcater is meant to be going off of news reports and presumably medical files that he found, why would he in any way be able to think it talk like the original character, they're not the same person, he's a pretender. How does the "it's not meant to be as good as the previous one" not hold up here?

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Realized what's so retarded about this now, it definitively proves Veidt right.

The sheer fact Adrian finds out other universes exists, ones like the DCU where there very much are hostile alien invaders, means he's completely in the right. Hell the ease with which he travels there using slight modifications to Archie goes to show worse could come any time, plus it also means with what he knew to do that at all he could have easily published the information and there'd be no reason for the Watchmen world to remained at war with things like the Dominators a few doors down.

So, yeah, now Adrian unequivocally did nothing wrong. Thanks Johns.

>I don't know what Sup Forums's reaction was
It's Sup Forums, so it's both really good and absolute dogshit.

>if you like what I hate you're retarded.
The state if AntiJohnsfags

>AntiJohnsfags
You mean people with taste?

No, pointless haters without arguments.

Darkseid War is the only argument I need.

Why do you like Darkseid War a lot, anyway, it's one of Johns weakest works.

Obviously I'm using Darkseid War as an example for why Johns is a terrible writer. Doomsday Clock being another example of course.

Okay, but why do you like it so much? You seem to talk about it more than does unless the plot twist is that you're actually him. Were you also the one voting for Forever Evil multiple times too?

Do you lack reading comprehension? I am quite clearly stating that I DO NOT like Geoff Johns as a writer. He's the comic book writer equivalent of Michael Bay, the go-to guy for peddling least common denominator and flashy garbage.

I'm reading your posts (and posts from previous threads) correctly and you sound like you like Darkseid War a lot. What I want to know is, why? Are you so easily swayed by it? It's a pretty shallow comic with the usual Johns cliches.

Quit shitposting already. Acting retarded is a poor tactic.

Look, just answer me why you like Darkseid War so much. No need to accuse people of shitposting or acting retarded unless you can't explain why you like that story.

Well by that logic..

Lost Girls wasn't nearly as bad and wasn't some giant event bullshit. Not to mention Moore's bibliography has far more quality in it than bad. Johns is for the most part mediocre and hasn't written a single great comic, or arguably even a simply good one, in his entire career.

Remember that ironic shitposting is still just shitposting.

What happened to Darkseid War being the only argument you needed?

>tfw a Moore written porno is better than Johns' entire bibliography.

Why are so dumb as to assume you're talking to the same user at all times?

Because you're doing it right now.

Say you retard.

>Johns is shit because he wrote a not good story.
This proves you are retarded.

>Johns is for the most part mediocre and hasn't written a single great comic, or arguably even a simply good one, in his entire career.
>Johns sucks because I say so.

Are you upset that you can't defend Darkseid War and now went from hating Johns to defending him?

Don't you mean
>This proves you are a not good thinker?

What would you consider good that Johns has written?

Don't you mean
>This proves you are a not good thinker?

Johns is Reddit's second favorite writer only to King

So wait, is this actually good? I avoided it because I was sure it would be just a cheap cash grab on Watchmen's characters that doesn't make much sense anyway. Is it worth is after all?

Well, this user likes it:

People should really give a metric for what they consider "good" and "worth it" from things they consider as such.
That way I can know in advance if it's to your tastes and if your tastes are shit and not worth my time.

I'm a fan of the world, and I was looking forward to 5th term Nixon or Reagan in post-cold war or continued cold war. Instead I got Trump fill in.

Also it was disingenuous to portray the media as anti war when the media was gushing over the Syrians strikes, and being priming for war against Syria/Russian for ages now.

Otherwise it didn't grab me.

Just read the first issue and find out for yourself. Don't ask other people to determine your opinion on something new, try it out and drop it when you feel like its a waste of time. Personally, I thought it was exactly that: a cheap cash grab. If you wanted something that was even a fraction as good as Watchmen, this is not that. But like I said, read the first issue and see for yourself. I already thought the very concept of making an event based on Watchmen crossing over with DC was stupid and reading the first issue confirmed my suspicions.

Reminder that in this comic, Johns ousts himself as someone who doesn't know that Poland used to be an Eastern Bloc country. He also doesn't know the difference between EU and NATO . You're a brainlet if you like Doomsday clock.

Almost everything.
Green Lantern, tho has big flaws.
JL goes from decent to good.
Aquaman and Doomsday Clock are very good.

Someone sounds butthurt

Nothing brilliant about it. Moore's writing was elegant, self assured, he had a story to tell. Johns is ham handedly ressurecting a corpse. A cheap direct to video sequel. Only Not Punch and Not Judy are interesting. Nothing about the original cast adds anything to the mythos. In fact it saps the meaning out of it. It's bad. The appeal to most seems to just be the fact that it's happening "omg Batman meets Rorschach, just epic!"

>People are paying $6 a pop for 15 mins of decompression/ads for the next one
Wew

Bump wtf

Based

Go to bed Alan.

Pretty great

Lost Girls gets all of its flack for being a porno. (An underage porno, even). But if you actually set down to read it, shit is as intricate and well thought out as Watchmen or From Hell

>"omg Batman meets Rorschach, just epic!"

That's pretty much how Johns has always written. This is from an interview Rucka gave shortly after 52 ended a decade ago, discussing the other writers:

>I think sometimes that runs the risk of doing cool for the sake of cool, which might not be a criticism. There was an email exchange at one point, where he said it was okay to do the cool thing because it is cool. I wish I had the presence of mind to respond, because I realized that my reaction should have been, "But if you do that, you have 'Phantom Menace.'" [laughs] I do think that can be a problem.

It's trying very hard to ape the tone and themes of Watchmen but its pretty clear that Johns just isn't the right fit for that type of material. The "relevant political commentary" is extremely broad and lacks any of the nuance that Moore brought to the original Watchmen. The tone feels very similar to Snyder's Watchmen; both Johns and Snyder failed to realize that Moore's dark grit and violence was meant to be realistic and disturbing, not cool and edgy. As a result, all of the psychological depth and thematic heft of the original Watchmen has been replaced with cheap, surface-level aesthetic "darkness." It's trying desperately to be perceived as "adult" even though the entire purpose of the story is to see Watchmen characters interact with DC characters. It's like a little kid playing with action figures but inserting bad words and violence to make his playthings seem mature. Batman vs Rorschach? Ozymandias getting a rematch with a resurrected Comedian? The eventual Superman vs Manhattan battle that we all know is coming? These are things that are imagined by middle-schoolers who saw Snyder's film and debate whether or not the Justice League could beat the Watchmen in the cafeteria. It is not the serious follow-up to Watchmen that DC and Johns imagine it to be.

Having said that, I think its shaping up to be a fun little superhero punch-up so far. The key words here being "fun" and "little." I have no problem enjoying a silly cape comic for what it is, but I wish DC, Johns, and the fanboys would stop pretending its something it isn't; namely, a serious and important continuation of one of the most revered comics of all time.

I really liked 1 but 2 lost me, I'll keep reading for a bit.

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I mean the decompression is such that it feels thin, watered down, simply to get you to the next issue.

Johns 101: Character or army of characters sneak attacks another, saying something epic in a colorful oversized voice bubble. Repeat.

Lex telling Oz his plan was retarded to his face was great.

So cool. I want more scenes of that, like Harley should ask Ozy, "what's up with the gay stuff dude?" lol Or Joker should meet the comedian and there should be a gag about a joke or something like which is funnier lol

It was incredibly mediocre, neither the worst thing ever or the best thing of the year. If it was a normal comic not tied to Watchmen, then it would have been probably acceptable with slightly better than average art, but since it's trying to be the legitimate sequel to Watchmen it needed to be more.

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Haha what a story, Ozy!