Why is Sup Forums opposed to renewable energy development and other measures designed to combat global warning...

Why is Sup Forums opposed to renewable energy development and other measures designed to combat global warning? Even if global warming isn't real, there are clear advantages to having a less polluted earth. Not to mention the reason the saudis can dump millions of dollars to buy politicians is because they're the ones selling oil. If the first world could sustain itsef with solar or nuclear power, no one would need to give a shit about the middle east. The saudi kings would run out of money, or at least not have as much to fund terrorism and nuclear weapons programs.

Especially for the us, the majority of your oil comes from the fucking leaves up north. Everytime you buy something made with oil, you're paying trudeau's salary. Explain yourselves.

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Looking at that ass gives me renewable energy.

We're not. We just want to keep other energy sector jobs at the same time.

I support 100% renewables. Literally no reason to burn coal. Inb4 blackouts, that's the outdated grid not the source

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I will give you that Ass. It's necessary for our national security interests.

Israel is our greatest ally.

Nuclear is the only option. It is the future. With proper investment in the infrastructure we could completely switch to nuclear power. But the oil companies and coal can't have clean cheao safe power source.

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what are you talking about? Sup Forums is full of nuclearfags

For once I agree with a kike, but you're a kike after all so that must mean that pic related is actually a man and you are trying to turn me gay with your evil jew magic.

Jew begone.

That's rich, coming from a burger.

I don't think most of Sup Forums is. I believe that most of what they are opposed to and federal regulations being shoved down the states throats. The way that some elements also push climate change as gospel and question the intelligence of anyone who asks any questions about it as thought control.

I don't know, it's not like the invention of a new powerful energy source did ever mattered in the race to become/stay a superpower.

If you are a nationalist, you should automatically be an environmentalist,
go green m8ys (fusion included)

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Sup Forums isn't against renewable energy.

Shit, look at how many times people got pissed with the utility law-fuckery regarding people generating their own power at home.

Or the liberal shitfest on nuclear power. Sup Forums is for cheaper energy, whether it's coal, solar, or ovens.

>Why is Sup Forums opposed to renewable energy development and other measures designed to combat global warning?
I'm not. Sup Forums is not one person.

However, I do think we should have a reasonable approach, and should avoid taking extreme and crippling measures. Adoption of renewables is already growing dramatically, without onerous government involvement.

Also phosphorus scarcity scares me a shitload more than climate change does. I don't want to starve to death due to fertilizer shortages after the population of Africa explodes and wastes the limited amount of mineral phosphates.

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>Thinks they can call out SHART IN MARTs

I'm not against it, but I'm against astroturfing about climate change.

And if you guys really don't want a lot of people fighting against it, why would you do exactly what Hillary did which caused her to lose?

the Z Machine will be our savior.

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I'm in favor of renewal energy and I'm glad that solar power and battery storage has been advancing so fast in the last few years. Soon we can have off-grid communities that don't completely suck ass.

Ironically it's India and China leading the way. Who the fuck would have pictured that?

Renewables are obviously fine if we invest, develop, and implement them at a reasonable rate. The notion that a nation that is 20T in debt and can't afford to go 100% towards an inefficient and technologically inferior green energy field escapes most "intellectuals" on the left.

I'm incredibly pro renewable energy, think our dependence on oil and coal is atrocias, and I think if you don't care about the environment you shouldn't call yourself a conservative. I don't support the idiotic muh feeling policies of the greens and think that nuclear and hydroelectric are the most realistic sources of renewable energy we've currently got.

my state is powered 50% by hydro and about 35% by wind. I'd love to see that expanded

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you got any good articles to check out on the phosphorous?

Looks like Kendra Lust.

Whether global warming is real and reversible or not, it'd just be nice to always have the option to have a supply of power that's your own. I think solar panels should be put up in any place that's sunny most of the year. You have all of these flat top commercial buildings with roofs that do nothing, prime real estate.

Solar energy is not cost effective. The materials required to make a solar panel are too expensive relative to the cost of the energy it produces during its average lifetime.

>Why is Sup Forums opposed to renewable energy development and other measures designed to combat global warning?

Because "renewable energy" is a codeword used by watermelon environmentalists who want to use the most absolute fucking garbage form of energy generation that is conceivably possible. The pattern is too consistent for everything "Green" parties and leftists want to have the government subsidize (and outlaw everything else) just happens to be the worst possible ways you could conceive to generate power. The metric by which "environmentalists" judge a given energy source is to see how little energy it produces compared to the (hopefully staggering and ruinous) amount of money it costs.

>Even if global warming isn't real, there are clear advantages to having a less polluted earth.

And their are clear advantages to not collapsing the world economy because you wanted to save a seal from getting oil on it, or because solar panels give you a fuzzy feeling inside.

If you study economics, you will find out about these things called markets, and funnily enough they have this amazing ability to find out what works really well and what doesn't as people can vote with their wallets as to which forms of energy to use. The fact that all of these leftist energy "solutions" are only capable of functioning via enormous subsidies and banning the usage of alternatives (like nuclear) is an admission that their ideas are shit.

>Solar energy is not cost effective. The materials required to make a solar panel are too expensive relative to the cost of the energy it produces during its average lifetime.

Which should be obvious simply by the observation that virtually none of the owners of these buildings put solar panels on their roofs.

Unless the market isn't producing energy effectively and there's profit to be made from selling solar panels. Don't assume the market is always operating at 100% efficiency and freedom you dumb goy, look at the costs or production and consumer demand.

>Kendra Lust
I see what you did there. Post a pic of a coal burner and then ask Sup Forums if they prefer renewable energies.

Not against using alt energy sources. I am against using tax dollars to give to failing companies that sell inferior products and services.

>If you study economics, you will find out about these things called markets, and funnily enough they have this amazing ability to find out what works really well and what doesn't as people can vote with their wallets as to which forms of energy to use.

Markets fail...GFC etc

Markets often don't account for negative externalities...no strong incentive for consumers/producers to consider environmental damage...

We're not. What we are opposed to is the rapid and complete dismantling of petroleum energy infrastructure for unstable alternatives (solar/wind) while disregarding the fact that tens of thousands will lose their jobs on top of being carbon-taxed to death to pay for everything. You can't fuck people over like that and expect them to take it with a smile. And no one is developing nuclear because the eco cucks got it in their heads that it's more evil than coal.

>we will be a superbower by 2020

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>muh invisible hand of the free market

Doesn't account for kikes deliberately setting a nation on a path to destruction because of ulterior financial motives, and it certainly doesn't account for corporations that are propped up from failure by bail outs.

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Renewable energy won't likely happen until using oil becomes unfeasible.

Then it'll switch to a more locally oriented lifestyle using less dense forms of power. Oh and a huge chunk of the worlds population will probably have to be slashed. But this is a long time away.

So uh, what happens when the oil starts to run dry and we're sitting around having not developed alternatives?
The whole point of alternative energy is that it's a sacrifice for sustainability.

PV Solar is horribly inefficient on a grid scale
Other kinds of solar are neat but also are quite expensive and don't work everywhere
Wind is decent but doesn't work everywhere and its very dangerous to anything near the towers
Hydro is great but it's already near capacity since there's only so many rivers you can dam.
Nuclear is one of the best options
we still have fuckloads of coal which might last as long as or longer than oil

fuck your Paris accords nigger
into the trash they go

I'm absolutely not, but the fact of the matter is that Climate Change is paper clipped to the Democratic Party, and I will not vote for White Genocide in order to go Green.

Show me a party that is Pro America, Pro Climate change and isn't a Meme, and I will sign up.

>get green energy majority production like Spain, Portugal and Uruguay
>suddenly find yourself paying amazingly expensive electricity bills (300 eurobux+)
>didn't even use the hobs or the oven
Disgusting personal experience, I've been in Spain last year and this happened. Ironic coming from a country where I pay 38 eurocents per kWh and it's from a all-green company as well.

>and it certainly doesn't account for corporations that are propped up from failure by bail outs.

Yeah bro as opposed to all of those healthy free market solar panel companies which totally aren't 100% dependent on massive subsidies.

>live in area with hydro power available
>pay 10 freedom cents per kWh
Git gud

nobody is against renewable energy development

people are against being forced by govt regulations to buy less cost-efficient forms of energy, especially when other countries are not adopting the same regulations which gives them a comparative advantage

when renewables become competitive in their own right the govt won't have to force anyone to buy them

we're getting pretty close to that point already

Because they are meme energies that only work at certain times or not at all depending on when and where they are.

>Why is Sup Forums opposed to renewable energy development and other measures designed to combat global warning?
We aren't. We support it.

The point is that a free market doesn't exist now so an appeal to markets as an excuse for a failure to develop alternative energy solutions is wrong.

You seem like an expert on the subject, what about geothermal generators? Surely anyone anywhere can just dig deep.

No business should be subsidized. It needs to live and thrive on its own.

The fuck is an appeal to markets?

Idaho here. Fuck off Cuckfornia, you faggots keep trying to pressure everyone to move to wind energy when it doesn't supply even a tenth of the power of hydroelectric. Literally every city who has tried to juice itself off of wind winds up having to buy power rights from the counties with the dams.

This.

I also don't want to pay to bail out shitty unsustainable Solyndra-esque companies in the future on the taxpayer dime.

If the market only responds to shortterm profit motives without regard for longterm consequences we all get fucked and a handful of kikes run off with all the money. The government can afford to piss away billions on social programs and still function, they should redirect that money to avenues that actually have a future. Blanket statements are no basis for a nation's policy.

What about the implicit subsidy received by fossil fuel companies, that are not required to account for the economic cost of their emissions?

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>if it were the right course of action, we the market would have naturally selected it by now
>they haven't so it must be the wrong course of action

>combat global warming
people still use this meme?

she does anal now too which is great! but no POV of it so it's kind of worthless

>opposed to renewable energy development
False, Make something I can buy at a reasonable price that's actually effecient that isn't subsidized by government and stop bashing petrol and nuclear energy as a marketing strategy to promote your brand.

Disgusting trssh

See my other post
any rebuttal to that..?

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How can global warming be real? The Sahara was once coverwd by water and the Antarctic wasn't always a frozen tundra. Humans have no control over this

Those changes occur gradually over millions of years, not in few generations.

Hey man,

QuebecFag here. we currently sell Electricity to New England at like 3 cents a KW/h. we got tons of land and rivers we can build dams on. Build some Transmission lines down the east coast and we'll sell you that sweet Hydro power.

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Works for off-grid situations, but nuclear is more efficient for large population centres

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I'm not opposed to renewables, but building a windmill or solar panel still takes hydrocarbons.

So if you think it's saving the environment your kidding yourself.

If you think nuclear energy is clean you're also kidding yourself.

open your eyes and stop blindly following what these politicians media moguls and lobbyists are ramming down your throats.

Go nuclear or go home.

>we the market
You are one naive little sheep...

At the moment solar energy is the worst meme of renewal powers, its expensive, takes buttloads of space and produces greenhouse gases

Do you think we could get renewable energy from twerking?