It’s a golden age for animated film. A new Oscar rule could end it

>The Academy just tilted the playing field in favor of The Emoji Movie — and against indie animation.

vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/1/19/16909002/oscars-animation-nominations-pixar-independent-academy

>posting the start of the article and not the article greentext or even a summary

Hi Vox

>legitimately thinking The Emoji Movie has a chance at an Oscar
The Academy may be stupid but they're not that stupid.

>In 2017, for instance, alongside megahits like Zootopia and Moana, voters nominated My Life as a Zucchini, a candid and melancholic Swiss comedy set in an orphanage, which grossed all of $307,766 in the US; and The Red Turtle, a striking and silent high-concept love story directed by Michael Dudok de Wit, of the Netherlands, for Japan’s legendary Studio Ghibli.

>Similarly, in 2016 the chart-topping Inside Out was joined by the wistful, nostalgic anime When Marnie Was There and Anomalisa, an artfully misanthropic oddity from indie auteur Charlie Kaufman (the writer behind Being John Malkovich and Adaptation).

>Traditionally, the nominations in each Oscar category are decided on by members of the Academy’s specialist “branches”; screenplay nominations are selected by the writers branch, acting nominations by the actors branch, and so on. Then the entire membership — which can include everyone from actors to songwriters to makeup artists — votes for the eventual winner.

>But this year, as the result of a controversial rule change, voting for the Best Animated Feature nominations will also be opened up to any member who wishes to participate.

>This could mean a significant shift in focus for a category with a history of reaching outside the Hollywood studio system for its nominees, and one that plays a big part in raising the profile of foreign, independent, and stylistically diverse animation.

>In 2015, one member of the sound branch of the Academy memorably expressed open disdain for “these two obscure freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ things that nobody ever freakin’ saw.”

This explains a lot.

Sounds like someone from Sup Forums, to be frank.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oscars

Honestly this just means less disappointment when the Disney film wins.

I wish I was as naive and misguidedly optimistic as this user. the childlike wonders such a mind as yours mind must conjure..

The Academy is the equivalent of a bunch of shitposters. Makes sense.

>American elite are OK with making it harder for foreign media to enter their award partiesm and trashing other cultures but get assblasted when other Americans apply this logic to immigrants
Really fires those synapses...

>Implying
The Academy are like Ultra-Normies Level 3, Normies that have ascended ordinary Normiedom.

Seeing previous evidence (ie. Pixar movies win) and extrapolating from that into the future is the opposite of naive. What's naive is aiming for the worst case scenario as a buffer against disappointment, even when it means having ridiculous expectations. That's so adolescent.

Of the sixteen awards they've handed out, half have been to Pixar films, and of the remaining eight, three were to other Disney pictures, with a couple to Dreamworks and other minor animation studios. Sony Pictures Animation has never netted one. Coco's gonna get the Oscar, disappointing all the people who saw Loving Vincent.

Emoji Movie is breaking down barriers in the Middle East of course it's going to get a nod over some pretentious indie tripe.

>the sound branch

Someone is feeling insecure.

this is like year old news. it only means nominated movies will be more plebian.

Dafoq

Why do these clowns want to keep turning animation further into a joke when it's proven it can be a form of art

please give the emoji movie an oscar
it would be the cherry on top the shit sundae thats western animation

>cherry on top

More like an extra scoop.

He means it's the first movie in Saudi Arabia to be screened ever since they lifted the Cinema Ban.

That's bullshit. God fucking damnit.

Who cares who wins, this brought some attention to animated movies who wouldn't get any in the US otherwise.

It's all politics and money. The immigration thing benefits those in favour of cheap outsourced labour. Foreign media on the other hand competes against their work and is seen as a threat.

Gonna be honest, really don't give a fuck same as before.

Because it makes a lot of money.

>we want diversity, but not actual cultural diversity, just the kind of diversity brain drain that lines our pockets

HMMMMMMM

>Saudi Arabia decides to join the 21st century

>Their first film is The Emoji Movie.


Ah fuck.

Man, the level of mental gymnastics to bring this off topic shit up in every fucking thread.

See, if the Emoji movie wins an oscar it does not bode well for the academy. This day and age less creators are recognising its value, causing it to lose value.

>See, if the Emoji movie wins an oscar it does not bode well for the academy

Why? The Academy literally just votes whatever their kid likes from the list unless someone does a really, really good (and insanely expensive) lobbying campaign.

>Why? The Academy literally just votes whatever their kid likes
Why is this allowed?

Or they have to let someone win before they kill themselves trying to act Leo or because they've been told they need some kinda minority representation. Whatever that film they had win instead of La La Land

>La La Land
This would only have won because of another Hollywood bias: they love movies that talk about Hollywood.

Honestly why should we care?

Why are academy awards important again? can you even recall the five last movies to have received best picture?

>caring about the Oscars
>caring about any Hollywood self-wankery in general

Because most adults don't give two shits about animation, "it's for kids" so thy just go "oh I know this one, it's what my I took my kids to watch and they liked it". It's small miracle Miyazaki ever managed to win rather than Ice Age. The Illusionist probably only got that Oscar nomination because people knew who Jacques Tati was and then it still lost to Toy Story 3.

Man, how much do you not pay attention, it's explained in the article in the very OP that nominations used to be picked by people who actually work in animation, while the award is picked by the academy at large. It's no surprise that the nominations would be better than the laureate.

>Callback to that Cartoon Brew post about the oscar voting.

Still doesn't explain how things like Shark Tale and Despicable Me 2 got nominated.

Oscars continue to be irrelevant, masturbatory bullshit.

Film at 11.

Good thing that wasn't the question.

>Saudi Arabia is introduced to cinema with a millennial disaster.
Thanks for all the future terror actions, dicks.

>Coco's gonna get the Oscar,
I was gonna "aww hell naaw" even though it still isn't the Emojis movie, buuut
>disappointing all the people who saw Loving Vincent.
More than makes up for it.

What?

>In 2015, one member of the sound branch of the Academy memorably expressed open disdain for “these two obscure freakin’ Chinese fuckin’ things that nobody ever freakin’ saw.”
>2018
>anime superior to western cartoons
pottery

>anime superior to western cartoons
When american animation stopped trying to be good, no shit countries that put effort into it end up better

i wonder how the saudis reacted to that "men take credit for the things women did"

also they wont understand captain underpants at all, that's for western folks who grew with the books.

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GODDAMIT, here too?!

>Western folks
You mean Anglos exclusively. The rest of the Western world has no fucking clue what it is.

give the intern a break.

>>anime superior to western cartoons
accurate, overall. there's too much cheap canadian trash in the west, it outweights the dozen of good show we get. Anime is rarely "way better" but their worst products are still better than the western average. it's basically mediocrity vs hit and miss.
Also Netflix and the others spending money for good animes instead of good western shows.

Part of America's plan to instigate war I assume.

Eat shit faggot, I know it. just because you never leave your fucking village, more than just anglos have them.

>The emoji movie reminds saudi arabia why they think they need to destroy the west
T-thanks hollywood

It literally doesn't even have a Wikipedia article in most European languages. Jesus Christ faggot calm down.

>Implying Disney won't just win like always

Coco deserves it because it's best movie of the mediocre year.

Last year Zootopia won, deserved it too.

This year it's going to be a contest between I2 and WiR: RBTI.

>Coco's gonna get the Oscar
But it's problematic and cultural appropriation!

you think they care what these "cartoons" are about?

I believe they care about the buzz surrounding it and how can use it to make themselves look hashtag woke.

If that was the case Zucchini would have gotten better praise than "I like the idea of a movie about a Zucchini".

>I saw Kubo [and the Two Strings] and don’t really remember it. I loved the music in Moana. I think The Red Turtle is very strong. I loved everything about My Life As a Zucchini — I was very taken with the idea of making a movie about a zucchini. But I voted for Zootopia because it has something important to say about the world. Basically, we all have to be nicer to each other.

i think she only saw disney features..

Kubo was also cultural appropriation and it still got picked over actual Japanese stuff, like Your Name.

Because the people who worked on those voted for it to get nominated I would assume. It,s all politics, people voting for what advantages them and not for what they think is actually ''best''

You obviously don't understand the academy. Animation isn't even an afterthought. It's a "this is what my kid watches every so often, so i guess it deserves the Oscar." The last time an animated movie came close to getting a "real" Oscar they made a kids table just to ensure they wouldn't have to consider animation again.

Have you seen Saudi Arabia's what's app and their overuse of Emoji? They'd love this shit.

Even so you just have to read a synopsis to make more informed critics than that. Why did they lie anyway? Nobody in the mainstream made a big fuss when other jurors admitted to not watching and not caring.

That shit should be against the rules. No wonder Disney/Pixar almost always get nominated (and thus win), even for mediocrity (Brother Bear, Brave, BH6, etc).

The academy awards have always been an incestuous hive of scum and villainy. Worthy movies get passed up for shit because people figured it was finally time for one crony or another to get some due. An academy award isn't a mark of quality. It's a mark of having rubbed elbows with the right people.

who cares. the Oscars suck anyway.

If the #MeToo crowd makes a big deal out of Lasseter, maybe the academy will give the oscar to another movie.

I hope Coco will win this year

Oscars barely matters for who wins for how frequently the winners in all categories have been jokes. It's importance is that it exposes the casuals to films they've never heard of and that's it.

To be fair, they're also getting Captain Underpants.

so movies with a pretty filter over them are animated films now? whatatime

>rotoscoping doesn't count as animation
You better inform everyone else. A fucking hand with a sock puppet over it counts as animation.

i really hope the #metoo meme makes Disney lose

>tfw the Annies almost always pick the same winner as the Oscars
Is there even a real award ceremony for animation? Something international, maybe, that actually cares about picking the world's best animated film?

>Caring about Oscars
they're fake and paid.
Loving vincent would never win against the emoji movie.

Annecy festival.

Read the thread, people are upset because nominations (used to) give attention to animated movies that nobody mainstream talks about otherwise.

never heard.


..and that's the problem!

>they end up loving the emoji movie but hating Captain Underpants
this could very well happen and there's nothing we can do about it

Anyone who has a phone has emojis, you cant sell emojis, emojis are free

Han Solo's solo movie is just as big of a cash grab as the emoji movie

I hope that everything in the rule of the winning oscars will stay forever.

Still the only good thing published on Cartoon Brew

You not looking for things that pertain to your hobby is the problem? Anybody who actually pays attention to animation awards knows Annecy (like real comicfags know Angouleme), but faggots around here like to pretend things in their niche hobby don't exist if they aren't spoon-fed them by the most mainstream of media.

>Annecy festival.
I'd never heard of this, but you're completely right, these awards look so much more reflective of what I like best

If rotoscoping is animation, then the AMPAS owes Richard Linklater an apology for snubbing his movies in favor of fuckin' Jimmy Neutron and Cars.

if Coco is going to win just because it's another decent disney movie then they might as well just hand the award over to Emoji Movie and watch the world burn

It's literally just whoever is willing to pay more. They don't technically bribe voters, but they do special showings and send out nice packages "for your consideration"

brave frozen and bh6 won, and theyre not even decent

even pixar directors were surprised.

Frozen is probably the most insulting. The wall textures were literally PS2-tier, and didn't line up.

heh, they rewrote the movie last minute, and wham! Lion King of our era.

Which will really suck for companies like GKIDS. That category is the main reason they're around.

Can someone post that info of the one dude who was apart of the Academy who called Princess Kaguya and another anime movie "Chinese Shit."

i hope that guy watches his children/grandchildren die before him.

A lot of the academy doesnt care about animations oscar. They just vote for what their kids liked.

That said emoji movie probably has no chance against coco. Disney/pixar almost always wins

Fun fact, one of those "chinese" movies was irish

Reminder that they only came up with Best Animation so Disney wouldn't keep taking Best Motion Picture every other year.

Why are Sup Forumstards so fucking stupid?

>Taking the academy awards or any Hollywood award show seriously...

Dude, Saving Private Ryan lost to Shakespeare in Love and the original Star Wars episode IV from the 1970's lost to...a movie nobody remembers.

>the original Star Wars episode IV from the 1970's lost to...a movie nobody remembers.

You mean Alec Guinness losing his best supporting actor Oscar to the movie Julia? Because every other category that Star Wars lost in was them losing to Annie Hall.