Why was Mabel so apathetic to Dipper and the group in Weirdmageddon 2?

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cuz she's a self-centered twat who only cares about her summertime fun,,, rip dippo

Alex wrote her like that... that fucking hack.

Why has Garabatoz become such cringecore?

But he is right on this one. Mable was a cunt. Did not handle pressure well at all

Because his a Mexican, he literally loves shota cucking other characters. Just like Shad, but twice as worse.

Because the fucking bubble affected her just like everyone else not named Dipper, misogynists.

If the bubble was mind controlling her, then she wouldn't have willingly left the bubble.

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It's not total mind control though, only influence.

Dippy Fresh mentioned that chill pills existed in the bubble. What would they have done to Dipper if he took one?

He’d freeze to death

I never got all the Mabel hate. Yeah she's dumb, but that's just the issue, she takes everything at face value and pretty much has zero pessimism/realism to temper her expectations for things. Did she endanger the town when she took BIll's deal? Sure, but she didn't do it maliciously to spite everyone who wasn't paying attention to her, she thought Blendin had wandered back to give her a do over.

I'd be more sympathetic to her "oh my brother will leave me" fears if the brother she created in her dream bubble was anything like her real brother.

That's ok but then she knew she was living in a bubble that granted her every wish and that shit was going on outside and refused to do anything about it
What bother me is that Dipper isn't allowed to be selfish but Mabel is a total cunt and nothing bad ever happens to her

You know, the Bubble might have been Slightly redeemable if Dippy Fresh had acted more like and idealized version of Dipper instead of just a lame collection of nostalgia pandering references that ended up resembling a Poochie. If he had still had kept the inquisitive mind, love of mystery, and slightly dorky behavior of the original, but replaced his obsessiveness and exasperation with more devotion to Mabel, it would shown that Mabel at least appreciated Dipper for more than just being blood related to her. Hell, you could even have a part where fake Dipper gains a bit of self-awareness and helps them escape the bubble, because that’s what he feels a good brother would do.

>I'd be more sympathetic to her "oh my brother will leave me" fears if the brother she created in her dream bubble was anything like her real brother.
Exactly, if she wanted exactly everything to stay the same rather than some ideal version of what a perfect world would be for her, she would be more sympathetic

You know, maybe Mabel was just a really well written villain

DUDE

>gara feel for the mabel hate meme
Fuck this board for popularizing that stupid idea

Because Alex has some weird issues with women.

You again?

Mabeland was the PERFECT (missed) OPPORTUNITY to get some nice character development. Make it so MABEL is the one who realizes they need to leave rather than Dipper holding her hand through her decision-making as usual. Telling her Ford was possibly killed, Stanley and Grenda/Candy are in danger, and than she'll come to the conclusion herself that they need to leave.

Gravity Falls has a really weak cast in general though.

>everything I don’t like is a meme
Ok Alex

I hate alex and most of season 2 and the finale, doesnt mean mabel is bad. Dipper was much more annoying as a character, at least mabel was enjoyable

I lost interest after the first season and I still think Mabel a load. There are too many episodes that end with Dipper busting his hump for her sake plus not once does the reverse occur.

Probably the same reason you keep posting this same goddam thread over and over like a shithead.

Gravity Falls sort of ping-ponged back between being a Simpsons jokey, surreal thing where the characters were vehicles for jokes and their behaviour could just be off the wall in the service of humor alone and trying to get us to take it seriously. So sometimes the characters did ridiculous things that weren't consistent because it was funny and the plot was surreal without any grounding. And other times you were suddenly supposed to think of them as consistent characters with development we were supposed to care about.

A lot of shows are actually like this and you suspend disbelief. The problem is that the Mabeland episode should probably have had a little more weight. Instead except for maybe five minutes with a sappy music flashback it was just a goofy little satire on 90s and 80s Lisa Frank trapper keepers and "radical" Poochie (so Burger King Kids' Club) type pop culture. That's not be, but it was the climax of both Dipper and Mabel's characters arcs since they played no role in the plot after that and the focus was on Stan and Ford. If Hamlet replaced the scene where he kills Claudius and everyone dies with the wacky gravedigger scene, people might have similar complaints about them skipping character arc resolution or character resolution in favor of jokes. Of course Gravity Falls was mostly a comedy but then you had mystery, lore, fuzzies, conflict and so maybe making what everything thought would be Mabel character development nothing but "lol 80s and 90s" without emotional weight was offputting?

So you just have terrible taste, gotcha.

Word to the wise, a female character behaving like a self-centered cunt or bitch? That's not the sign of a hack. The sign of a hack is when the writer/creator refuses to punish the female character for misdeeds and immoral behavior. That's what makes Alex a hack. His white knight faggot behavior towards Mabel.

Given that he's a male feminist I sincerely hope that he gets accused of rape by a woman. After all it's always amusingly the male feminists who end up getting accused because they want to be close to pussy or whatever. Men with a head secured tight and focused tend to recognize the dangers of women in the workforce.

How about they were both terrible characters, but Mabel was worse. I honestly found the formula of "Supernatural element in an episode....how does Dipper twist it into somehow being about his Wendy lust."

I wonder how actual 12-year-olds respond the Mabel's late '80s-early '90s thing.

I wonder how much of two of the series' biggest problems, Mabel being a shit and the excessive focus on Dipper lusting after Wendy, are due to Hirsch taking on too much of the workload himself and resorting to repeating himself to get it done. The impression that Mabel was a selfish brat came from the REPETITION of Dipper losing out to benefit her.

Because the only thing that can bring you down in Heaven is realising that there is people on Hell.

Because the only thing that can bring you down in Heaven is realising there is people on Hell.

Shad would have had Luna get turned on and help Sam buff up Lincoln's cockasaurus.

The early Christian Tertullian wrote that one of the pleasures of Heaven would be watching the damned be tormented in Hell.

Dipper was way worse, i liked mabel while dipper annoyed the fuck outve me, especially with the formula you just described. Christ, grow a spine and forget about wendy, roadside attraction proved he deserves all the abuse he gets for being a wimpish bitch
I was like that when i was 12

You would think that the finale of a show, which is supposed to be big and climactic, would lean more towards being meaningful and serious, rather than nonsensical and silly.

>I was like that when i was 12
I'm presuming you're too young to have experienced the time yourself?

What was the attraction?

But Mabel’s constantly Stargirl-tier quirkyness and stupid shallow obsessing over every half decent guy was even worse. At least Dipper’s pining plots were usually involved with some supernatural shit. Mabel’s were only ever involved in Boyz crazy and Love God, which has it’s own problems.

Probably trying to fit in with adults by along their behavior and tastes, like most kids do.

because she's a filthy heretic who didn't want to fight a chaos god like those glorious auto mart warriors

>Bill
>Chaos God
Bill was fucking retarded, he would barely be a Daemon peasant.

The bubble gave her what she wanted.

Her revealed her deep inner selfishness.

Also why the fuck shouldn't it have been total mind control. Why even give them a chance to escape? Dipper didn't fall for the fake Wendy for a second. Bill is retarded.

Ive always loved the aesthetic, culture, and media of that era better, even as a kid i knew everything went to shit after 9:11

>But Mabel’s constantly Stargirl-tier quirkyness and stupid shallow obsessing over every half decent guy was even worse.
No, that was enjoyable you faggot. Better then constantly obsessing over some bland ginger bitch who was annoying with how much focus and little interesting aspects she had

No it wasn't. It was both awful, but Dipper had other qualities.
Mable IS the super hyper, boy obsessed, quark queen.
That's her whole personality and if you find that irritating then you will fucking hate her because she has nothing else.

>No it wasn't.
Then you have no sense of humor faggot, i thought her plots were alot more funny then “muh wendy”

Man, we need a P4 style Shadow Mabel boss fight.

>No, that was enjoyable you faggot.
This is where you are objectively wrong. It started out fun, but quickly became annoying with how hollow and forced it was. By the second season they stopped being endearing eccentricities and instead became the only facet of her shallow personality. Mabel Land didn’t create that image, it only proved it right.
>Better then constantly obsessing over some bland ginger bitch who was annoying with how much focus and little interesting aspects she had
I will grant you that this was annoying, but at least when Wendy was out of the picture, Dipper slightly redeemed himself by actively seeking out the paranormal.

Nah, it fits with her usual behavior, she never lets go of something she wants,

That would require the plot to find something wrong with her.

Shadow Mabel would just whisk Dipper away.

There should be more porn of Mabel peeing.

>little child
>has to stop world ending armaggedon
>could have died or failed at it easily
>guy tells child "things could be better look dreambubble you will be save"

It would have been unrealistic if she didnt go for the dreambubble she is a fucking little girl not some adult

I agree. Romance ruined both the characters. Mabel wouldn't have been able to be such a selfish bitch had she not been obsessing over boys and Dipper was an already bland, overly serious and boring character who was made worse by the fact that he was a fucking 12 year old being shoehorned into this stupid romance subplot with Wendy.

We all know the show would've been much funner if Mabel, except not boy-crazy and actually got called out for her shit, was the protagonist.

>implying you wouldn't stay inside a magic bubble where you control the world if given the chance

Fuck the real world. It sucks dick.

Because he enjoys the salt you snowflakes give when you're triggered.

The true redpill of Gravity Falls is realizing that even if it went into a season 3 it still would've lost most of its CC's and fanbase to The Loud House and just like now the only people left would be a dozen or so brainlets crying about Mabel's flaws.

The Loud House is boring though.

The Paul Robertson sprites were kino though.

Yeah, Paul Robertson is base-

I still like his work on the Scott Pilgrim game. Great time killer

>Don't like Nazis
>Don't like the KKK
>Don't like Trump
I don't know senpai, looks pretty base to me.

It's a parody.

"It's not toal mind control". Aka, she willingly chose these things and stayed because it looked better. Even replaced Dipper... Because that was totally just influence and not her choice being a selfish bitch.

dippy fresh's dickgame was ridic

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I feel like this vid is a pretty good explanation of why peeps don't like Mabel

Yeah, pretty much

Well she is the one who caused the armageddon. Even if it wasn't entirely her fault, it would certainly seem like it is from her perspective

>We all know the show would've been much funner if Mabel, except not boy-crazy and actually got called out for her shit, was the protagonist.

Wouldn't that just be Star without magic?

And a grappling hook!

>would've lost most of its CC's and fanbase
Sure, if your 10.
Most people dont just forget things once it leaves the TV screen.

A lot, I'd say. Hirsch being too controlling and burning out is really evident in 2B, you know?

>Why even give them a chance to escape?
Sup Forums has already talked about this ad naseum, nothing Bill does in the finale makes any sense. That is the problem with having a 3 trillion year old quasi-omnipotent genius omnipotent multidimensional eldritch abomination be your Big Bad when your good guys are some kids and old guys, only by having the villain do retarded stuff can they not win. Like Bill obviously should have either vaporized Mabel by thinking about it as soon as he crossed over or used her as a lure to the other wheel characters and vaporized both them and anyone else who might know about him or any possible weakness he might have (horoscope, Ford's gun blah blah) by snapping his fingers but then he would have killed everybody and won and it's a fucking Disney kids' cartoon.

That's why during the finale some people were hoping he needed to keep the wheel character alive because prophecy bullshit or some other reason, instead they pulled the barrier thing out last minute which made Bill seem even more retarded for planning this for a billion years and never once thinking about or noticing this huge problem, then despite being a supposed math genius he needs some guy's help with a math problem and gets fooled by the plot of The Parent Trap.

Of course it's a silly comedy and the bigger problem was Bill does jack shit and is passive for most of the finale except for a few good gags, visuals, and of course his death was good. But what are you gonna do, nothing in ever perfect and it's time to move on and stop nitpicking this long since ended cartoon show now.

He's a spic, what more do you expect ?

The character is loosely based on his own sister at that age. So I imagine hes projecting a bit without even realizing it because he probably thought of his sister as a selfish bitch when he was younger and it colored his perception subconsciously.

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Fuck you, stop making up bullshit about how shes shallow when she really isnt. Her plots were funny and enjoyable unlike dippers wendy obsession and idiotic autism

No they weren't

It feels like 90% of the 'Why didn't Bill do ___!?" complaints can be easily rectified with, "He didn't have his full power available to him unless he could get rid of the barrier".

If I recall, he just wanted to get rid of the GF barrier so he can control the world, right? Not because it was limiting his powers? I mean, just a simple line of, GRRR! I can't unleash my full abilities with this protection dome around!" would've been enough.

It would have to tweak some things around (Time Baby can't die, he doesn't outright threaten the twins with direct vaporization), but I feel like it would fix way more than it would harm.

>If I recall, he just wanted to get rid of the GF barrier so he can control the world, right? Not because it was limiting his powers?

Right, there is nothing to indicate it had any impact on anything he could or couldn't in Gravity Falls itself or anything. All the explanations are fan (or creator) rationalizing after the fact. I mean it is a comedy so it doesn't matter much but Bill sitting on his butt not even noticing a giant barrier a few blocks away drained all the tension and danger you got over those worldless credits with screaming, helicopters, and shit that made it sound like a serious worldwide Hell on Earth huge threat. It got people really hyped and then it was just some pretty annoying magic frat kids running around with no stakes or consequences after all. Fine for a silly cartoon just a little letdown.

I don't get what the point of not having it be worldwide was, other than making the stakes far lower.

Yeah man I dunno the status quo is god thing I guess. For those who missed it while it was airing the hype, discussion, new fans getting pulled in, people making art and stories and have debates and even huge arguments about the show exploded to the roof right DaMvtF and only the NWHS hype was equal, well, it was even higher for NHWS, but some finale hype started dropping as soon as the apocalypse got scaled back and the tone ramped down, it was sad to go from that energy to realizing it was a fake out. The show overall was still very good and finale was fine with some great parts and people complain way too much but yes it probably could have been groundbreaking with a little bit more time. so some think of what could have been.

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>the status quo is god thing I guess

But it's the final episode

They put out some books (even coloring books) and are planning on comics though. So maybe it's that stupid thing where nobody can ever know about the supernatural so they can go back to same old same old shit in any of these little stories they put out. I find it lazy and annoying.

>nobody can ever know about the supernatural
To be honest I never really liked those sorts of stories

The writers didn't care enough about Mabel to give her thought and good development. Compare and contrast with Star Butterfly. That show isn't genius either but is the difference between the writers caring about and developing a character vs not. Maybe Gravity Falls needed more female writers who would care about the female characters and acknowledge their flaws and fuckups. You can tell they are invested in Star, writers were mostly not in Mabel. Mabel was very popular anyway esp with little kids but because of comedy and wackiness not depth.

The fucking puppet episode where Mable just fucjs dipper over for 22 minutes. Fuck I still won't watch that again.
>mfw That whole episode the minute that blonde faggot came in I knew Dipper was on his own

Poor writing and pacing in Alex's mad dash to cram a season-and-a-half's worth of plotlines and character arcs into the last ten episodes of the show. What we should have got was the Gravity Falls version of "For The Man Who Has Everything", with Mabel living out her perfect Summer in Gravity Falls and slowly but surely realizing that it isn't right and having to give it all up.

Instead we got Dippy Fresh and Judge Kitty Kitty Meow Meow Face-Shwartstein

>Weirdmageddon part 1: We GOTTA get Mabel back!
>Weirdmageddon part 2: Oh Mabel, you have to come with us. We can't possibly save the world without you.
Weirdmageddon part 3:Both Dipper and Mabel end up as hostages while the Stans singlehandedly save the world

If it did, then it wasn't handled well at all.

>that note in the Journal about how Bill almost killed Dipper's body and trapped Dipper's soul for eternity in the Mindscape because Mabel wanted to impress blonde puppet asshole boy

>Even though the journal is mostly damage control, Mabel still doesn't apologize about the apocalypse

It's like they're deliberately trying not to adress it.

Even Bills "freeze someone into gold" ray only worked for a couple of hours before he had to refreeze them. What a cuck villain.

This is the wrost episode. I physically cant watch it, it makes my inner autistic rage come out. I was trying to give Mable the benefit of the doubt but four key things happened
>Mable making Dipper sleep outside for her sleepover
>locking Dipper and Wendy up with The Thing
>The whole puppet episode
>Weirdmageddon bubble
Fuck Mabel, she sucks in every way. Season 1 she had annoying moments but oh god. Season 2 its like shes willing to fuck over everbody to get what she wants. I felt so bad for Dipper, he coulda been a fucking scientist or some shit. But noooo, Mable,Mable fucking Mable.
Fuck you Mable Fags, your waifu would sell your soul to a demon and laugh at your puppet body.
>Reeeeeeeeeee

>Dipper didn't fall for the fake Wendy for a second.
Actually, he did for a couple of seconds

I am surprised this hasn’t been posted or at least mentioned once yet.

>s-she caused duh apocalypse!
>she meen to dipper!