I heard something dum happen to gi joe comics what is it?

I heard something dum happen to gi joe comics what is it?

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Alright, here's a run down:

It had a writer who was an avowed communist named Aubrey Sitterson write it, who purposely liked to stir up shit and piss off the fan base. The writer also hated guns and kept saying how guns were scary and how he wanted to use lasers and make the comic more like the cartoon because that was what he was most familiar with. He also race and gender swapped the character Salvo, because he said the character was problematic for being a huge white guy. So he made him a fat woman of color on purpose to fuck with fans who at the time were hyping up the character because he just got a new action figure. He then started shit on twitter saying that only New Yorkers were allowed to feel about 9/11 and accused anyone who didn't like his run of being Trump supporters.

Eventually fan sites started boycotting his book, refusing to advertise it as everyone wanted him fired for ruining GI Joe and shitting the book's audience.

Eventually IDW tried to re-title his book after Scarlett, removing GI Joe from the title, but pre-orders for his new book were so low, that they canceled the series before it was even released. He then whined and continued to attack the fans for getting his book canceled him him basically fired.

IDW also kinda majorly mismanaged the idea of shared universes, and tried to inject lots of politics, mainly social and gender politics into their Hasbro books, including making most female transformers transgendered with them being born men, which they justified by saying it had been around in older comics, despite hyping it up. They also race swapped Matt Trakker in Mask and are doing more race swaps for Visionaries. And it's unclear if IDW is completely at fault for these changes as Hasbro seemed to advertise them and say that they were making such changes to try and chase after the "millennial" audience, with that being their exact choice of words.

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>including making most female transformers transgendered with them being born men
One wonders how robots has gender in the first place.

Extreme liberal writes comic and self inserts, people react with their pockets, writer is out of job.

Democracy and capitalism at its finest.

From an article where Hasbro mentioned changes coming to GI Joe

>"The world has changed, and I think you’re going to see G.I. Joe changing with it,” Simon Waters, who presides over consumer products for Hasbro Studios, said in an interview with the LA Times. “There’s going to be a much more contemporary approach to the whole franchise, and that will allow us to develop different characters.”

>Waters further elaborated that they would be taking “a more millennial approach” for the reboot while Steve Davis, a chief content officer at the company, expanded on the idea of modernizing “Joe.”

>“We hope to create a head snap. It’s a different kind of ‘Joe’ — one that still resonates with ‘Joe’ fans but brings in an uninitiated audience and expands the audience internationally and domestically,” he explained.

cbr.com/gi-joe-reboot-taking-millennial-approach/

Hasbro had stated numerous times that Joe sold really well in the US and decided that it doesn't sell in other countries because it's too pro-American.

They hint at it in the article here:

>and expands the audience internationally

And Hasbro also wanted to some how get women into collecting Joes, doing a highlight of women in GI Joe on their website at one point, and hoping with a new movie that this might work. They also killed off Snake Eyes and revived him as a woman, so they're sorta going down the Disney and Star Wars route with the franchise.

Anyone who read it knows Snake Eyes isn't dead.

That run is so crap.

>Democracy and capitalism at its finest.

Which is probably why Sitterson is such a hardcore Socialist. He clearly cannot survive in a Capitalist society.

>They also killed off Snake Eyes and revived him as a woman
Was the woman Jinx?

>They also killed off Snake Eyes and revived him as a woman, so they're sorta going down the Disney and Star Wars route with the franchise.

That's a totally different canon than the IDW GI Joe universe the rest of your post talks about, just so you know. ARAH takes place in the Marvel continuity with the original 80s team.

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So, in other words, they made the EXACT same mistake than every other editorial, try to pander a part of the population that complains a lot but doesn't really buy books or merchandising.

We seriously need to go back to evil organizations trying to rule the world just for the sake of ruling the world and forget all the complicated shit. I want comics to be fun, if I want bullshit I just need to read/watch the News.

Did I ever say it was the same canon? No I didn't instead it's in the MAIN book where Snake Eyes became a woman. Not the shared universe commie shit.

>Amanda Waller's heroic cousin

>Eventually IDW tried to re-title his book after Scarlett, removing GI Joe from the title, but pre-orders for his new book were so low, that they canceled the series before it was even released. He then whined and continued to attack the fans for getting his book canceled him him basically fired.

Him changing the name of the comic also contributed to the cancellation in a major way, not because of disgruntled fans, but because a lot of retailers didn't know Scarlett's Strike Force was the comic being renamed.

Examples of the identity politics in the Hasbro/IDW books

Another example

The bigger issue isn't that the comics are trying to court the minority reader market, it's that they're trying to appeal to that audience by tearing down their current audience.

They can't appeal to the female audience without tearing down the male audience. They can't appeal to the black audience without tearing down the white audience. They can't appeal to the homosexual audience without tearing down the heterosexual audience. They can't appeal to the transgender audience without tearing down the cisgender audience.

So you have comics that were majority read by cisgendered heterosexual white males, but now feature stories and characters deliberately insulting or villainizing cisgendered heterosexual white males just to try and get the POTENTIAL of the opposite readership.

The result isn't that they've been getting those black Muslim transgendered homosexual women to read their books instead of the cis white males... the result is that NO ONE is reading their books and the industry is as good as dead.

They also did a gay comic cover for GI Joe to appease leftists.

bleedingcool.com/2017/06/07/gijoefirstqueerartistcover/

>G I Joe Brings In First Queer Artist For Homoerotic New Variant Cover

dailycaller.com/2017/06/15/g-i-joe-goes-gay/

>The cover for the upcoming issue of comic book G.I. Joe oozes gay vibes as hairy men in sensual body positions tangle themselves on the page.

> The issue hits in stores July 5, and features The Dreadnoks — a biker gang that regularly appears in the comic book — engaging in some sexy man-on-man wrestling.
The beloved comic franchise, which has been telling stories about the “Real American Hero” and comrades for half a century, asked acclaimed artist Ed Luce to design a cover for writer Aubrey Sitterson’s G.I. Joe #7 in early June.

>Luce, who created the queer “Wuvable Oaf” comic book series, spoke with HuffPost Wednesday about his inspiration for the new cover. Luce said “G.I. Joe” writer Sitterson had a unique take on the familiar comic and was interested in pushing the boundaries of the concept.

>“He’s also a fan of my comic Wuvable Oaf published by Fantagraphics, which features a group of large, very bear-y looking dudes as main characters,” Luce said. There was never any hesitation about the new cover “from the writer, editor or the publisher … they’re very progressive with their releases,” he added. He did say that he got a note on the first sketch requesting he tone down the Dreadnoks’ rears.

huffingtonpost.com/entry/hi-joe-homoerotic-makeover_us_593ee324e4b0c5a35ca2290c

>‘G.I. Joe’ Just Got A Homoerotic Makeover
Is it hot in here — or is it just all of these flexing furry muscles?

Is this what feeling triggered feels like? I do not care for this emotional response.

>IDW also kinda majorly mismanaged the idea of shared universes, and tried to inject lots of politics, mainly social and gender politics into their Hasbro books, including making most female transformers transgendered with them being born men,

Why the fuck would they do this for a comic known to be about toys for boys with guns and tanks? Its like if Sup Forums would take control of Barbie comics and turn Ken into a fat neckbeard and make the comic be all about him.

>an avowed communist named Aubrey Sitterson
He's a self showed socialist.

It's funny that it was his comments on 9/11, which were practically right-wing, which got all those GI Joe fansites to boycott him, and not all his other fuckery.

>Salvo race/genderswap

I don't understand this at all; if there's one property that lends itself to introducing lots of new characters, it's GI Joe. No one would have gotten upset if it was a brand new character.

Fuck, Salvo is hardly even a remotely important character. Why not Hawk or Duke or something?

That art style kinda reminds me of the style from GI Joe vs Transformers.

From when they changed Matt Trakker's race and everyone attacked the fans of Mask for not liking it.

bleedingcool.com/2016/06/20/racebending-matt-trakker-in-the-new-m-a-s-k-comic-from-idw/

>So, basically, they are suggesting he can’t be black.

>It includes the line addressing writer Brandon Easton, “While you are currently in charge of this project as the writer you must remember Matt doesn’t belong to you, he belongs to the fans.”

>No… he belongs to Hasbro. They paid $516 million for Kenner after all.

change.org/p/idw-publishing-restore-matt-trakker-from-m-a-s-k

transmithim.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/fear-of-a-black-matt-trakker-thoughts-on-race-diversity-representation-revisionism-and-nostalgia-in-idws-mask/

Hasbro has also commented on the matter saying they had a problem with Matt being a blond hair and blue eyed white, guy, because not only was he white, but the most evil kind of white, and they already had Duke in GI Joe as leader(who they then later removed from the team).

sjws keep ruining everything

He's posted about communist literature on his twitter and used specifically the term communism. He used to tip toe around it and say socialist, because it sounds better.

>Why the fuck would they do this for a comic known to be about toys for boys with guns and tanks?

Head writer is British (James Roberts). He wanted to bring in that Cultural Enrichment the limeys are so fond of.

The only character on that cover who's ever shown an interest in women (that I've read) is Road Pig.

Artwork from the new Visionaries comic also showed that once again, IDW and Hasbro were going with race swapping and tumblr fashion

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Those are decent character designs, at least.
And who even remembers Visionaries? I don't, and I'm an 80s kid.

Visionairies are very obscure brand

There were only 13 episodes
that's really low

Color scheme is out of place on both of them.

What's the point of doing something that you're by necessity aiming at the original audience if you're just going to fuck with them? If it weren't for the original fans to keep it alive, then there's no reason to get into it.

There were only 13 episode of Bucky O'Hare but that didn't mean they were changing him for the new toy line

Gee remember when Milo Manara did a variant cover for Spider Woman and SJW's acted like it was the end of the fucking world.

How about that Batgirl variant cover? Remember that bullshit?

I feel like there's some discrepancy, but I can't put my finger on it.

Why do they pretend to care so much when most of them don’t even read comics

Because boys aren't allow to have anything.

If want an even more obscure Harbro brand, try Air Raiders. That only got far as a short lived comic.

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>And Hasbro also wanted to some how get women into collecting Joes

Maybe if they released some fucking toys then people could fucking collect them. It's been what 5 years or so since the last movie? They'd better break the fucking bank on their "crown jewel" franchise!

Did they ditch the prophet guy for that?

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Is that Virulina? But she doesn't look like a crazy Shark lady anymore, she looks soooo generic.

They said in a podcast interview, that they cancelled the line, because Joe only does well in the US, saying that the fact that it's pro-American was the problem, and made it more difficult to market. They said they could have kept releasing toys through Toys R Us, but wouldn't have been able to produce vehicle sets, because Toys R Us didn't want to buy any, because too many people were being poor fags and waiting until they were on clearance. The figures released would have been like the last few 50th waves, and would have been mostly re-releases of hard to get figures, or new builds of outdated ones, with like one or two new characters here and there. And another reason they gave was that they couldn't just cut corners and make Joe 5poa.

With all that, the suits in charge canceled the line and said they wanted to work on re-inventing the line with a new movie, which appears to be a reboot now. We will still get exclusives though through Hascon and the Joe Club during the wait though, however long that may be.

Re-release Renegades on Netflix, advertise it, you will have a lot of women interested in it.

>she looks soooo generic.
It's worse, she's Tumblr now

Question: Are the classic Marvel Joe comics solid? Three volumes or so are on comixology. Trimpe art looks good.

Did you just assume their non-gender?

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Rock solid.

They're good. The book gets good at about issue 8 or so once the stories start expanding out to multiple issues. Early on they're each stand alones with the first two iissues being pretty great then a few ok ones highlighting different Joes, then Destro shows up and they get to Springfield and the book starts picking up from there.

>Hasbro had stated numerous times that Joe sold really well in the US and decided that it doesn't sell in other countries because it's too pro-American.
This is nonsense. I grew up on UK 'Action Force', and as soon as I realised it was actually GI Joe, I wanted the real thing. IIRC, they did rebrand to Joe in the late 80s (I also bought as many Joe toys as possible while in the US on hols).
Also, kek at millennials 'buying comics'.

no some mexican-american highschool student got snake eyes memories implanted

Jesus can you not sit still long enough to read a couple paragraphs?

Marvel Joe after the first few issues and up past the 50s are great comics.

>They also killed off Snake Eyes and revived him as a woman

gee, i wonder why you're not telling people that they replaced snake eyes with a dude first, that that dude is still around, and that there are two Snake Eyes concurrently in the same book?

honestly, can you really not see that this is building to a Snake Eyes vs Snake Eyes issue?

I am slightly aroused at this.

Think bigger. We could get Reign of the Supermen but with Snake-Eyes.

Plus Dr. Venom has Cyborg Snake-Eyes too! Can't forget that!

It's likely bullshit, but Hasbro keeps saying it. I think it's probably suits making the claim and pointing to the "A Real American Hero" aspect as the problem,also saying that they want to remove the guns from the line as well, because guns are bad.

People want military action figures though, and franchises like Call of Duty and Metal Gear Solid are very popular. And the rise of third party Joe style toys like Vitruvian Hacks and Marauder Task Force, and a slew of others such as Eagle Force have demonstrated this.

I think their problem is the same one they're having with Star Wars, and that is that they're purposely and deliberately alienating their fans, because they're having trouble getting kids and younger people into the franchise, so they're applying a marketing sensibility toward everything.

Renegades was a great show and concept that they abandoned because it was on a network with a certain furry cartoon on it, and didn't have figures out for it until that show was basically over. What's the point if kids don't get to see the show and there's no toys on the shelves for them?

Solid as american pie

Yeah, at least in the old cartoon she had a shark looking hair, now it's just a random side-shave, fuck that.

Stop being triggered because I didn't apply your snowflake standards of autism.

That story where the real Cobra Commander comes back from the dead was so fucking good I came.

Unfortunately, to get it, we had to spend like 5 years with the fake Fred VII Cobra Commander. I also found that span of time in the comics to be a grind because CC is my favorite character and a Joe book without him doesn't appeal to me. I wound up liking Serpentor more during those years, but he got arrowed to the face.

Don't pick on Sup Forums because they can't read user.

The point is that people will watch it on Netflix which is not a literal who network.

It can get people interested in it enough for them to get another season and probably start making toys (and Renegades did get toys). Kids watch stuff on Netflix possibly more than they watch regular nowadays so it's a got way to revive the franchise.

Also if Young Justice made a comeback through Netflix then anything can happen.

I liked how the artist accidentally revealed Cobra Commander's face during the flashback that explained how he was brought back to life, and its so nonchalant you almost don't even release "Oh shit, they just revealed his face!" when you're reading it.

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Dude is just parroting you know who.

I swear every outrage fag just wants to complain just for the sake of complaining, whether they're SJWs or Alt-right or whatever it's all about getting angry about something they don't know shit about because it doesn't fit their agenda.

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It's kinda like saying this is the Baroness

>She was actually created as a parody of college radicals, which is why she has the problem glasses

>I also found that span of time in the comics to be a grind because CC is my favorite character and a Joe book without him doesn't appeal to me.

Not that you need another reason not to read the IDW GI Joe book, but Cobra Commander isn't in it. Not as a character, anyway. In the IDW canon, "Cobra Commander" is just a title held by several individuals and not a unique individual. Baroness and Tomax are fighting over who gets to be Cobra Commander right now, I think.

Sitterson please leave. We didn't buy your book, and we're not happy over what Hama's been doing with Snake Eyes on the real book.

If you wanted to Rule 63 something it should have been Serpentor, since he's a clone anyway.

It's not about the comics, it's about the culture and comics are part of culture.

That's because the black Muslim transgendered homosexual women someway managed to make corporations believe that they are "a lot", they managed to convince the world that they are legion, but truth is mostly everyone out there is still "normal". They should understand they are a loud minority, but a minority in the end.

Of course I'm not saying is a market they should ignore, of course they should try to make products to appeal that new market, but lose 1000 traditional readers to get 10 new readers is not worth.

It's about taking away something they think the cis white males enjoy. Do you think women and lesbians ever gave a shit about Ghostbusters? Of course not. But it was VERY IMPORTANT that the Ghostbusters franchise be rebooted with fat lesbians and independent sassy women. More important than making money, apparently.

>It had a writer who was an avowed communist named Aubrey Sitterson

Yeah he is a sack of trash that cannot keep his busted political views out of everything.

He used to have a pro-wrestling youtube channel and could not stop injecting anti-white bullshit into everything.

Just like John Cena

Fuck off with this red scare nonsense. You can read communist theory and even talk about it without being a commie. Fucking A, this country is about freedom of thought, stop trying to control people's minds through fear.

>a more millennial approach

Thanks millennials you are guys are the best.

Go ahead run your mouths about boomers some more.

Real talk, why is he called Snake Eyes when their enemy is serpent themed?

t. communist

IDW on the main book targeting Trump. When the incident occurred they claimed it was just an inside "joke" and "accidentally' saw print.

I think is what hinted. They seem to think that by changing things in that line will bring "new customers" while ignoring the fact that this will make them lose "old customers" too. They either pretend or believe that with changes their product can only "increase the market" they never think in the part they lose.

Seriously, how many times this needs to happen before they finally realize that this changes to get new audiences has more impact in the decrease of old audiences than in the gaining of new. Is as if they needed to go back to school to learn how to sum up and subtract again.

Wow what little bitches the people who complained about it are.

Little bitches?

If people want an anti-Trump circle jerk they can view ALL OF THE REST OF THE MEDIA.

People reading GI-Joe don't want a bunch of anti-American bullshit.

It is pretty fucking simple asshole.

Anti Trump is pro American tho?

Nice bait cunt.

>including making most female transformers transgendered with them being born men
u wot m8?
Only THREE known trans characters exist in IDW: Arcee, Anode, and Lug. Arcee was written that way YEARS before any of the shared universe stuff, and by Simon Furman, who historically cannot into female Transformers. The other two are comic-original characters whose trans-ness comes into play for LITTERALLY only five panels. Every other female Transformer in IDW has always been female.

Also, "transgendered" is not a word.

Its a little stupid to complain, yes, but is also quite stupid let progressives or even straight comunists to barf their political ideas into a comic about a group of military soldiers with guns.

Also, politics ruin everything. More punching, shooting and wacky vehicles and plans to rule the world and less politics and social propaganda is what we need.

>politics ruin everything
Then get off the world.

Baiting aside a group of dumbasses breaking into a house in the woods would 100% carve TRUMP as graffiti. It's believable for who they are.

>His reason for changing Salvo

No not really, but the point is to circle jerk trouser stains like you that think that.

Which further strengthens the point, who would think GI-Joe readers are leftists clowns that want to be pandered too, that is not who reads GI-Joe.

I wish someone would break his back.

>We can't revive this 80's property as it was in the 80's, there's far too little diversity! Better race and gender swap some people
>Oh no everyone hates it because we removed the nostalgia from our nostalgia baiting series by making it totally different how could this happen.

Could they try, at least once, to revive an old show as it was with no SJW changes? Like, honestly what's the worst that could happen? Not even baiting here but it seems like a few finger wagging articles from Salon.com are worth having your show succeed by not pissing off the original fans. You'd think some stockholders would look at the precedents set by shit like this and consider leaving everything as is as the safer option.