Why does Sup Forums hate the European Union? It's obvious you do because of all the Brexit enthusiasm

Why does Sup Forums hate the European Union? It's obvious you do because of all the Brexit enthusiasm.

Is it because of Merkel's pro-immigration policies? Or because of the Russia sanctions? Or something else?

Forced Immigration.

we hate non-white immigration but pan-europeanism is a joke

Go back to /r/europe please.

It's the worse thing since the USSR,arguably worse

The fact that the people of Europe did never vote for an EU.

>pan-europeanism is a joke

Can you please elaborate on why you think that? Has it always been a joke or only recently?

Communism is bad. If it wasn't based off of the Warsaw pact, maybe it'd be fine. But it is beyond cucked and they want to turn Europe into Eurabia.

i'm just an outsider but even I can see those europeans have been killing each other for thousands of years.

its just another thing that the elites can use to manipulate and lie to people.

Way too left-leaning in its constitutional foundations.

If it was National Socialist, I would fucking love it.

>Stupid restrictions on trade outside of the EU, you quite literally need ZERO trade deals let alone have regulations on everything you trade with.
>Stupid regulations on businesses
>Wildly undemocratically created
>Wildly anti-democratic in that it not only rarely does referendums, it tosses them out when the results suck
>Muh (((Keynesian))) economics and promotion of shitty vote buying practices in spain/italy/greece/belg/etc

So basically, it's obstructive, dumb, and wants to expand its power at any cost.

kys juncker

It's really strange to hear this from a fellow Romanian. I haven't lived through USSR, but I'd say that things are way better now for Romania than in the USSR times.

I agree that the immigration policies are out of control but to call the EU full-blown communism is too far-fetched.

Its ruled by socialists. Good riddance to the dirty cultural Marxist experiment.

>not democratic
>rapefugees
>open borders
>""""""""democratic""""""""" socialist
>dumbass rules
Gee I wonder why.

> it destroyed our industry
> demographics is shit (12 mln in 2100)
> it is not "nation united" but obey Angela and Martin
> they say about solidarity but make a pipe to Russia
> pushing "leftists" agenda
> easy EU money destroy creativity
> and many, many more

>> it destroyed our industry
>> demographics is shit (12 mln in 2100)

What makes you think it's the EU's fault for this? Romania also has these problems and many more but since before joining the EU.

>If it was National Socialist, I would fucking love it.
That's like saying "if it was leninist, I would fucking love it" it just doesn't make sense in the modern context.
>neo liberalism
>socialism

>cultural marxism meme
>social democracy
>socialism

Far away politicians
Slow beaurocracy
Stupid laws
Immigrants and the total failure to find common solutions that work on critical areas like Immigration, labour laws, enviromental standards and corruption.
Hell No if I want to join the same currency as poor countries with corrupt goverments.

The EU is a prime component for centralizing power under the globalist agenda. It was planned far prior to it actually coming into fruition. Anyone who values having a country and the rule of law would oppose it.

it also destroyed social ties here

if you dare to be "good" you got destroyed

people had more children during communism, you have to work a lot and you have the same or even less, the retirement money will be REALLY small, like 100 eur a month

fuck this shit

btw do you want your child to be sexually educated in the kindergarten? the teacher won't be a pedophile, I swear!

fuck this shit, what are your pronouns Romania?

Let's be frank. Both my country and your country get free gibmedats from Germany for being in the Union. Maybe we get less than you, we're kind of EU average in GDP/capita, but we still do. Imagine how it is for the northern and western countries? It's kind of understandable why they don't like it. Brussels is too alienated, people feel like they have ZERO influence on what goes on there.

I'm torn t.b.h.
On one hand all this mentioned here about migrants, regulations, agendas and shit is absolutely true, on the other only a strong united Europe would be a real global player, able to talk on equal terms with USA and China (or even Russia). Divided they can play us like a fiddle.

This is the era of super-countries, covering a fair chunk of a continent, with hundreds millions of people, multiple nationalities, languages and cultures merged together (willingly or forcibly). And it sucks, but I don't think there's anything that can be done about it.

Tired of them being smug while we pull all the weight. The EU can get fucked. I don't care if the Soviet Union is reinstated and they roll over Europe. I will turn my head. None of them have any vitality. It's like a fucking museum over there. A tomb.

With the Anglopshere we share culture. With Russia we share unrivaled power. With Israel we share a hatred of Islam. Europe? We don't even think about Europe.

be fucking open on this, unite US, Canada, EU and Israel (Russia?) and don't do shady shit making people angry and hopeless

>Political Correctness
>Multiculturalism
>Undermining national sovereignty
>Rapefugees
>Russian sanctions

Just a short list.

>The EU is a free market

it's one thing to have a united states but europe is a bunch of different language groups with different values. they can't just all get along like that, they'll always be blaming each other because they don't understand each other.

Because we have to gib gibs to all the poor Eastern Euro shitholes and in return they send immigrants

It should've stayed an economic union instead of a political one.

Kalergi Plan.

>people feel like they have ZERO influence on what goes on there.
>feel like

That's not really what we feel like, it's exactly what's going on

The population has jack shit to say about anything that happens in the EU, doesn't matter if you're greek, german, finnish or whatever

Also I'm sick and tired of getting fucked in the ass by the US which in turn is getting fucked in the ass by Isreal, and for some reason I'm supposed to be thankful for it

Fuck off, reddit.

OP is very educated. I respect that. Keep it up.

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It's an (((American))) After war construction for fcked up Europe and debt slave us

I'm sorry to hear about the negative impacts of the EU over Poland. Romania was really in the gutter to begin with, so joining the EU could hardly make the situation worse.

In fact, i'd say the opposite, a lot of good things happened for my country since joining the EU:

>finally starting to keep state corruption in check, not perfect but far better than 5-10 years ago
>respectable companies (especially IT&C) opening headquarters here and hiring people, definitely an economic boost in larger cities
>much easier for a Romanian now to travel around Europe - please don't mention criminal immigrants, we hate them more than you do
>prevent Russia influence - we're not fans of them
>EU funds for development - although our governments usually screwed this up big time

All in all i'd say Romania has had the greatest benefit from joining the EU among all member countries. I have no idea how we pulled that, because we sure as hell didn't deserve it back in 2007. I'm sure if we held a national referendum 90% or so of people would choose "stay". Especially the young population.

On the other hand, i realize that for countries far more advanced than us (including Poland) it may not have been such a great deal to join the EU.

It's a political union governed like an economic union. It's getting more democratic with each reform, but still has a long way to go.
More subsidiarity towards national parliaments, granting Parliament the power to enact legislation, and allowing Parliament to dismiss individual commissioners rather than the whole commission would do wonders.

Also would be great if people gave a shit about the Parliament so they could actually scrutinise their work, and if MEPs stopped campaigning on national issues then that'd be an improvement.

Simple. An economic union is not a political one. I don't give a rat's ass what sort of crops a farmer in Slovenia grows, and neither does he care what sort of fish fishermen in England are allowed to catch. Why then, are our politicians given a voice about the other's countries runnings?

It's complete and utter bullshit, and was sold to countries like Britain as an economic union. Fuck the EU, it had the chance to created a stronger Europe while maintaing nation independence, and it ended up being abused to create an imbalanced political union based on how big a country is.

The EU should only exist to regulate currency and provide response in wartimes.

Which means we're fucked.
You, Chinks and Ruskies will be playing global chess while we all will be pawns, pitting against each other over our, come to think of it, relatively minor differences.

it would be an utter lie and complete lack of gratitude if I would say that some things did not improve here too

but my country is dying, less and less children, a bunch of rich smug assholes and more and more poor people, me including

there is some hierarchy of values and I do not care about common market, no borders, if I cannot afford clothes, decent food and medicines in my country while feeling impoverished and powerless

> holding a lantern but you can't find your way

Has destroyed countries economies with its euro currency. Not willing to control its borders. Too big and easy to exploit by non-Europeans. Completely imbalanced economies west to east. Would rather spend time (((rescuing))) migrants in the med to bring in, than address Europes problems. No longer works in the interests of the peoples of Europe.

Finally a good, articulated list of reasons. I agree with all of them except the last one - but that's a discussion for another thread.

>An economic union is not a political one.

Fair point. Although countries such as Romania would still be rotting from corruption way worse than today if no political interference came from the EU, so i'd say you can still have some benefits from this as well.

so you literally say you cannot govern yourselves? or at least not that efficient?

damn, you are an ideal slave

>finally starting to keep state corruption in check, not perfect but far better than 5-10 years ago

Could have happened even without the EU

>respectable companies (especially IT&C) opening headquarters here and hiring people, definitely an economic boost in larger cities

Same as above

>prevent Russia influence - we're not fans of them

We dont need the EU for this.

>EU funds for development - although our governments usually screwed this up big time

And we end up losing money

why would i want a panel of foreign old men who probably have never set foot in my country to determine the laws that i follow? ive never understood the concept of a country not being able to make its own laws or control its OWN borders. the eu, where they have their own personal drivers to take them wherever they want, lavish parties, eu presidential elections where theres only one candidate, getting paid more than the president of the US, constant bullying and bad treatment towards other countries in the EU, and ontop of that the threats junke or whatever that pricks name is unloaded on us, telling us all of these scaremongering threats, treating us like their little bitch.

cameron went to them asking for change and reform and it was denied, if a political union which is federalising more every day and warping into this horrible beast cant even be subject to change then that makes it a dictatorship surely?

tldr. fuck the eu

losing money how

Pretty much yes, unfortunately. You'd be amazed of the mix of incompetence and corruption that the political class in Romania has been capable of even since ditching the communist regime 27 years ago.

Shades of grey don't make great memes.
Not to mention it's simply too complicated for the average American and Brit to understand.
I like it quite a bit and i believe it has a good future.

welcome to germany, friend

well, ask me about the previous government....

or maybe not

> ministry saying "Poland morally does not exists"
> ministry saying "6k PLN earns a thief or an idiot" (most people get 1-2k)
> ministry saying about Polish Development Funds: "chuj, dupa i kamieni kupa"

I know, words, words, words

at the end we are slavic toilet cleaning subhumans

>Could have happened even without the EU

I honestly don't believe that, at least not so soon. And i think the European Commission Mechanism for Cooperation and Verification was an important part of that. Also, there's little chance the foreign companies would have come here without reassurance that overwhelming corruption and unstable laws are not day-to-day routine.

Every state is required to contribute to the EU budget.

Its a politically correct hellhole

Foreign companies dont care about corruption. At all. They only care about cheap qualified labour and infrastructure.
Not to mention corruption can prove good to companies willing to take advantage of it.

Don't forget
>Was supposed to be an economic union, but they made it a political one through the back door
>Caused war in Europe
>European High Court supersedes national high courts
>All law passed by the EU is automatically the law of all member countries. Individual countries don't get to have a parliamentary vote.

EU destroys free nation states.

Either we destroy the EU, or it will destroy us.

War in the Ukraine has Russia, and only Russia to blame.

t. GF has relatives in Donetsk who redpilled me on the ongoings there

Because under its self-proclaimed "progressivism" it is colonialism. The arguments advanced for Europeanism are the same that were used to legitimize colonization of the Third World - that such foreign people must be raised to higher, universal values. Except here, we're not talking about abandoning slavery or mutilation, we're talking abandoning sovereignty, identity and everything that made our nations great.

Because it is an elitist institution that serves only to feed its parasitic, soulless, (((rootless cosmopolitan))) leadership. These are people who know no loyalty to their respective homelands and nations. They wish only to destroy every last fibre of tradition and pride in the mental fabric of the nations of Europe, to demolish family, religion, ethnic homogeneity, "patriarchy", small businesses and agriculture and social harmony in favor of elitism, big business, big banks, multiculturalism; the erasement of meaningful, protective and socially constructive values in favor of fabricated identities like "pansexual", "hipster", "furry", "multiracial", "transgender", "world-citizen" etc. One need only read the writings of that "great" Europeanist thinker Coudenhove-Kalergi to scrape the veneer of "progressivism" off and see the sinister, totalitarian beast it serves.

Because it is openly hateful to European cultureS and uses large-scale educational shaming of every aspect of European identities to achieve its goals, first and foremost with the Christian faith being replaced by an ideological faith where the Jews (the Messiah) died in the camps (on the cross) for our sins (for our nationalism). Anyone expressing the vaguest eurosceptic ideas is harassed and reacted hysterically to in much the same style as one would picture the medieval reaction to heresy.

And finally, because it is already having disastrous effects on European economies even in its embryonic state. In the long run, it is but a stepping stone to world government and everything it implies.

The EU is a growing communist block that is committing ethnic cleansing / genocide against white native peoples

The EU aims to eradicate national identity.

I love the concept, I really do, but what it ended up becoming is an instrument to our own destruction.

I believe that the European Union is the best country on earth, and I plan to immigrate, and Romania is no better Russia

>made it a political one through the back door
Never got why people say this, each of the treaties required complete unanimity from each member state - blame our government for ratifying them without a referendum.

Pan-europeanism has never been a thing but just recently.

I don't have personal relationships with many people in other EU countries. Many out there can't even speak English. They live and act in completely different way. They have an unique culture that is different from my. Abroad, you have to be constantly on your toes in order not to have others try fuck you. You all probably used to that but I'm not. European Union is not my country and will never be.

We are simply too different. I don't even know the names of our leaders. They are somewhere far away in Europe, deciding stuff for me that I don't want. They even tried to ban muh rifles until they understood that they can't force that here.

Shh, don't boast with your country profiting from the EU.

nigger just look at fucking history
people couldn't even make yugoslavia (a super limited subset of pan-slavism, which itself is a very limited subset of pan-europeanism) work. it was held together by the rule of its war hero dictator, once he was gone it started to slowly come apart, and 10 years later it collapsed in brutal civil war.

now imagine that instead of 5 constituent nations you have 30. they are also vastly more different and further apart from each other than the yugoslav nations ever were. and instead of a few slightly different dialects of one language (serbo-croatian) you have like 20 completely different language, from different language families, most of which are mutually incomprehensible.
oh, and you also dont have the glorious, universally revered war hero to lead this union.
AND on top of all of this, you're simultaneously flooding the continent with third world shitskins, addiny yet ANOTHER factor that destroys social cohesion and unity.

that's what the EU is trying to become. yugoslavia 2.0 - 10 times bigger and on steroids.

I also was pro EU when I was younger but voted for Brexit. They can't ask the people of Europe to get behind the idea of a single country called the EU. Along with asking the people to be enthusiastic about the idea of identify as a EU citizen while at the same time undermining the idea with poor borders and weak defense of the country they want to create. If they had stopped the expansionism and had a more nationalistic view of what the EU should be Brexit would not have won.

Deep concern from this guy. The EU started as a NAFTA like institution and I'm personally concerned that NAFTA will follow the same path in the coming decades.

And yet you get way more than you pay.
Both you and poland get way way way more than you pay.
>wahh we need to pay 8 billion but only get 12 billion per year from the EU so unfair.

>I also was pro EU

why? What's so exciting about being taxcattle and subject to foreign bureaucrats?

when you're young, you believe the memes they teach in public school

>muh peace project!
>muh progressive society free of hate!
>multiculturalism is great and it's the future!
>all humans are equal! there's no differences between races! race doesn't even exist anyway!
>diversity is a strength! just look at all the tasty foreign food!

most people eat that shit up and never question any of it

Because it has gypsy countries like yours and Bulgaria.

Youth, I envisioned it would not be that way.

you got more in return by selling your stuff here

Eastern countries are softcolonies and you know it

those gibsmedats are more destructive than you think, it created the """"""""""""""elite"""""""""""""" of rich, clueless people

>when you're young, you believe the memes they teach in public school

Hm, actually I was always sceptical, but indeed, at one point I thought its comfy not to have border controls between Germany and France.

Because it's nothing more than a globalist front to reduce the population of Europe to oligarchic cogs while they are rapidly bred out of existence.

I don't think Americans object to strong diplomatic and economic ties between European nations-- they object to who ended up running it and how they run it.

Turns out a lot of Europeans object too.

Our intentions are altruistic.

>at one point I thought its comfy not to have border controls between Germany and France.

If we only had these types of countries in the EU and we didn't have the shitskin problem no border control would be fine

But that's just not how things are

For what it costs us, and seeing the wonderful results... yeah, fuck the E.U, the sooner we're out of this shit, the better.

Durkey brings the bantz

No point in discussing this since I've never met anyone on Sup Forums who even knows how the EU functions.

Kek'd so hard.

Yeah because east europe is a target market for premium cars, high tech and chemistry products.

yep, sadly. A customs union between Germany, Austria, NL would have been no problem, even a common currency would have worked well, but forcing totally different countries with a total different economy under one centraliced authority is a disaster.
I laughed how quickly you deport German Reichsbürger though - suddenly no "no nations, no borders"...

It's a bureaucratic empire run by unelected kikes who would see us all exterminated for a shekel.

> this is literally what European elites think: "no point in discussing"

no, it is target for cheap-we-don't-like-it food, cheap-we-don't-like-it chemistry and old-we-would-throw-them-away-anyway cars

and source of cheap labour

and it is always nice to have a colony, isn't it?

The European Union is a socialist union of states.

It's designed to erode the sovereignty of it's member nations.

Because their borderless policies reminds me of my homeland, and I share a kinship with the european women who get raped over there

Yes it's a buffer zone against Turks and Russians.

It's super national

There is literally no EU country between you and Russia.

And then again, Soviet Russia was also building palaces, roads, stadiums, blocks of flats and shit.

How can you even compete?

kick all non-net contributors and start negotiating about a new union with better regulations

I hate Stockholm lording over all the rest of Sweden. Why the fuck would I want another 500 million getting in the way of what we want?

Great chart, it definitely show how unfair towards western countries the contribution ratios are. This is another good and objective point against the EU policies.

Interesting perspective, although i couldn't say i experienced an open hate against individual European identities. I understand a defensive attitude against such a perceived threat, but i don't really believe the EU agenda consists of this, at least not intentionally.

You're a fucking moron.

To be fair the EU's functioning is an absolute mess.
>EU law is supreme, except when the national courts don't want to apply it
>If the courts are unsure of legal application they must refer to the ECJ, except when they don't want to
>Treaties are the bedrock of the EU and cannot be overturned, except for ascension to the ECHR when we're just going to ignore Article 6

It's because they're about power in the hands of the few, instead of the many.

EU is full of leftist scum

Sup Forums is anti globalist, because globalism is a cancer on the world.

disgusting globalist socialist SJWish jewish """union""" that has brought nothing but misery to europe

europe was more united in 1942 or 1812 or 800 or 113AD than it is today