The beginning of the end for President Elect Donald Trump?

Is not backing NATO the beginning of the end for President Elect Donald Trump?
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when will this cold war meme end?

This

NATO is an outdated joke

"only respect a firm hand"

Yea worked well in crimea, ukraine, and syria.

We'll back NATO, they just have to pay their fair share. Make us a better offer than Russia.

>is this the beginning of the end for Trump?
You should know the answer to that by now.
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But guys, is it the (((beginning of the end))) or not?
I'm really concerned about this, literally shaking to be honest

Russia knows that appart from the US, the whole of NATO are bunch of mongrel cucks.

euopeans are scared that they have to act like a real army now when daddy america isn't watching anymore.

Hes going to back NATO that was rhetoric to get voters who are sick of us wasting money. The EU is moving away from NATO and to a European army anyway. We'll see how Trump reacts to that

>Mr Rasmussen also suggested the US .. impose a no-fly zone over Syria.

Holy fuck how desperate is the entire European establishment to die in nuclear fire?

Syria is a SOVEREIGN NATION. Saying that you will SHOOT DOWN PLANES FLYING OVER OTHER SOVEREIGN NATIONS AGAINST THEIR WILL GENERALLY MEANS WAR.

Particularly if you shoot down the planes of a THIRD COUNTRY INVITED TO BE THERE BY THE NATION YOU ARE VIOLATING.

Mr. Fuck Rasmussen, go get raped by a pack of niggers. Your shitty network of fucks have backed fundamentalist muslims all across the Middle East, from Egypt to Libya, and you are trying to turn Assad into another case of Gadaffi.

I think they just don't want you gerniggers to have an army.

I do think he should sho strength and show that the US still looks to protect its interests.

However finding mutual objectives and being bros personally should be aimed for as well.

If you think Putin wants to be friends you're naive.

And by friends I meant general US Russian relations, not Trump Putin.

> Anders Fogh Rasmussen is a Danish politician who was the 39th Prime Minister of Denmark from November 2001 to April 2009 and the 12th Secretary General of NATO from August 2009 to October 2014.

A Danish politician wants to dictate how the US president should act.

NATO is such a joke that a guy like this gets to be secretary general?

top kek.

but we don't have enough money left for a real army. who will feed all this poor refugees then?

Don't try to fool me Hans, you guys are importing all these ISIS fucks to build an army and take over Europe again. National socialism didn't work out now it's time for Islam.

kek.

also

> On 27 May 2016 Rasmussen become non-staff advisor to President Poroshenko of Ukraine

Has Ukraine no other choice but to be the Globalists' of Russia's little bitch?

Oy vey
What are you implying here
WHY CAN'T I DELETE THE THREAD
THE GOYIM KNOW
MODS PLS SHUT IT DOWN

> or Russia's

Rasmussen tries to be relevant but isn't anymore. He is only some Dane.
What does stoltenberg have to say? he is the current sec gen.

what is that piece of music called?

Based Anders telling it like it is.

edvard fucking grieg. jesus christ man

He's not going to let NATO fall, relax.

If you're pro-Russia imperialism, sure.

Can you accept that not making NATO members out of nations across Russia's entire border and stationing armed forces there is a good idea if we would like to avoid war?

Yeah, bomb some Russian planes flying over Syria, I'm certain that will show Russia that USA is not one to joke with. Fucking retards, Trump is going to fight ISIS with Putin, and hopefully the time of horrible, degraded relationship between the two super-powers is over.

I'm against stateless liberal imperialism, i don't give a fuck about Russia

This guy has demonic eyes, therefore he is of demon and thus he must be vanquished!

BACK TO HELL WITH YE DEMON!

>tfw we force the Eurofags to provide for their own defense and cut their welfare programs

Gravy Train stops here, fuckers. You faggots better start learning how to goosestep again or you're going to be in a world of shit.

beginning of the end for nato

NATO is threatening Trump now, is that it?
He must kill it, asap

Except any geopolitical strength we give up, they will capture for themselves. And then you've got the same situation, only through extended Russian proxy states and with more influence.

>stateless liberal imperialism
I've been up all night, could you explain what you mean?

However, you cannot talk about abolishing NATO without considering Russia.

>fuck america fucking world police imperial monsters!
>w-we have to pay for our own military now?
>p-please respond

>"Don't make peace with the other world super powers >:( we must show strength!"

Nato should follow the us if they know what's good for them

pls Trump leave NATO
i want to see the rest of these bumbling idiots "show strength against Russia"

You lost asshole. You lost bigly. Stop trying to find inconsequential arguments against Trump. It would be best for you if you just bent over and took it in the poop chute for the next 8 years at minimum. Executive, legislative and judicial branches are all solidly republican. You people are a dying breed. :^)

>shehab khan

This

Op is a faggot

>Russia menace meme
when that shit is going to end?

>transdniestria

Don't you have a wall to build, Pedro?

>Except any geopolitical strength we give up, they will capture for themselves. And then you've got the same situation, only through extended Russian proxy states and with more influence.

You literally disagree with the statement that we shouldn't be making NATO members of countries across Russia's entire border if we would like to avoid war.

You want to capture all geopolitical strength in countries surrounding Russia, and see this as a way to avoid war.

It just baffles me that you can exist with these thoughts in your head.

Here's another question then: Under what circumstances if any do you believe that Russia could launch a first nuclear strike?

>gypsy
discarded

NATO obsessed with igniting WW-III to validate itself, it's budget, and the uninterrupted pipeline of cash to the military-industrial complex.

Election results of 2016 = "We don't need a nuclear war with Russia .. we want our industries, jobs, peace, and some sanity in our leadership back."

Why do we HAVE to keep antagonizing Russia? Is it so long to want to get along with them for once?

But we love Russia now and NATO literally was shilling against Trump. The UN tweeted to ex-patriots to vote and "Stop Trump". I say we give the Eastern half of Europe back to Russia and we conquer the Western Half and let the UK manage it. Farage is Junker now. Eat it Europe!

Macedonians>Greeks. Thanks Mass Lad.

>Shehab
Fucking lel.

NATO needs disbanded , new alliance with Asia / Russia vs Eurabia

We want nothing to do with the Euroscums, they can all burn for the shit they've done to us.

Europe needs to move out of Americas basement.

Perhaps I made myself unclear, my bad, but I meant any country where we pull out a US base and discharge/don't allow in NATO, we lose that influence to Russia. It's not as simple as 'leave those countries alone,' one of the superpowers is going to have influence. And when that happens, the border ends up in direct contact yet again, only they have another layer and we have one less.

>Under what circumstances if any do you believe that Russia could launch a first nuclear strike?

Currently, I don't. But they have shown they're willing to utilize conventional military tools and invade whenever it serves their interests. They would not have taken Crimea if Ukraine was in NATO, and look, now they have access to the Black Sea.

>mfw that looks like the fucking flag of Hawaii

This guy is the definition of a neo-con cuck. You should see the "Thank you, Obama" video he put out on Facebook.

Kek agrees. They opine about the "generosity of the American people" saving them from the ebil USSR out of 1 side of their mouth while calling us morons with bad infrastructure out of the other side. Oh ya? Well maybe all our education and infrastructure money went to prop Euro cucks ans Asians up and you're able to save such socialist Utopias because you're not carrying your own weight. So fucking happy Trump won.

Well lets do a little reading shall we.


2 Peter 3:3-13King James Version (KJV)

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Is this age the last age?

When USA launched the illegal invasion of Iraq, only two countries agreed to join the US, Denmark with Anders Fogh as primeminister and UK with Tony Blair.

He earned some significant good will from the US in doing so. Make no mistake the global elite, are bonded through power and ideology, They have no borders - nationality is irrelevant for them.

>mfw local dictator wants to drag us into NATO even though majority oppose it
>mfw they literally faked a "Russian coup" on the election day and still barely made it despite massivw vote theft and rigging
>mfw he burned all bridges with Russia and now Putin wants his head
>mfw Trump won
wouldn't like to be in his skin rn desu
polonium breakfast incoming

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Rare flag bro, you should get out of there before things go to shit, if you can.

>Syria is a SOVEREIGN NATION.

Syria is a no-country. Anyone and their kitten can just waltz in however they want and do whatever they want, and the "government" will do jackshit anything about it. If somebody spits into your soup there then it is gonna be some sort outside player (ruskies, SOCOM) or a non-governmental actor (ISIS).

ppl still calling it a civil war

As much as American and Russian civil wars were, those things always have outside participation.

nah, we're winning, why would I

It scares the crap out of Russia though.

And that's the point of its existence.

ironically only side that gave some aid in ACW was Russia, and they were for Unionists

no

nato is waste of money, nothing more

matter of time before its non existent

>now they have access to the Black Sea

wat

>t. increasingly nervous man for the 9 billionth time this year

>And when that happens, the border ends up in direct contact yet again, only they have another layer and we have one less.

A grossly false fabrication.

I spoke about the borders of Russia. Even if Russia has influence over a country right next to it, then that does not mean that Russia's borders are this country's borders.

This falsehood allows you to present an equivalence between having NATO forces on the border of a country under Russia's influence, and having NATO forces on Russia's borders. But this is not the same, remotely. The concept of "buffer territory" is a real one.

There is no excuse for this falsehood. You are able to form coherent statements and present yourself rationally, with singular exceptions.

This makes you a far greater threat of war than Russia. You are proposing steps that increase the probability of war, and deceitfully so.

Let's hope some bombs whatever institute or group you represent, kiling everyone of the warmongering deathlovers. Or more realistically, let's trust in Trump to defang you.

>Syria is a no-country.

Wrong. Syria is a sovereign nation with a head of state.

>Anyone and their kitten can just waltz in however they want and do whatever they want

Wrong. The Syrian government has accepted anti air missiles for the defense of their sovereign space.

You could argue that the territories not under government control are in some form of limbo. But the territories under government control are not in a limbo. When the government of Syria invites a friendly power to have its aircraft there, and you talk of flying in and shooting them down, you're a warmonger who might just kill us all.

If there's someone out there with plans to kill NATO personnel, I hope they are doing so rapidly. The death cult must be stopped at all costs.

NATO right now are the biggest death dealers in the world. There is no rational excuse for this. They love death and dream of it.

NATO should be dissolved
It's just a way for western Europe to claim "pay for my defense or I won't be your friend anymore! waaaaaah!"

>asks for the piece
>give him the name of the creator
the song is called in the hall of the mountain king

fpbp

NATO is obsolete and a shitty alliance.

We Holy League now.

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Trump should tell that guy to fuck off and create a brand new NATO if those pussies don't want to stop bullying Russia-chan.

my favela just got 10 times comfier

At least no nukes

desu if you don't know that piece already you don't deserve to know the answer. it's entry-level classical

>Monkey's status: Destroyed
Good job m8.

Demanding that NATO nations fulfil their military spending pledges is backing NATO, not opposing NATO.

Holy fuck, I hope NATO is not going to start targeting Trump now. In that case we're going to see lots and lots of blood.

>Can NATO stump the Trump?
You should know the answer to that by now.

You can rest assured Portugal is not going against the US in anything, if the rest of NATO wants to fuck themselves over they can be our guests.

NATO is pretty good. You just have to remove the death lovers who dream of crushing Russia once and for all nuclear war be damned, or surrounding them with troops.

I can understand that the hatred of and desire to crush and disintegrate Russia is strong there. But they are professionals and paid military analysts, so there is no excuse for it.

Looks like either Trump cleans NATO out, or NATO cleans Trump out, and in the latter case there will be violence.

There are like nine maybe ten countries that even want to be in NATO for real (i. actually have benefits from it aside for "US Buddy" status and fucking pays). NATO needs restructuration best. If it ever go on like Yugotier war again it would disband soon after victory under it's own weight.

>can't be bothered to contribute the agreed upon 2% of GDP for NATO funding
>wants to tell others what their diplomatic stances should be regarding their obligation to defend those who refuse to defend themselves

Yeah nah, you're a cunt.

Increase your spending and we can have this conversation again.