JSA Storytime: Question

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badass cover

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Hello, Storyteller.

Still tired?

this opening page style works really well, the single page--it really makes you want to turn the page

yeah, really draggy day, headachy, tired.

I wish we had another book like Deathstroke right now.
80's DC had Question and GA as the go to mature comics, we need something else.

Also according to my calculations, if Priest is going full Marvel, he'll be on Deathstroke till September if DSvBM is 6 issues

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I do hope Priest doesn't go Full Marvel except that damn, they clearly need him

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is Priest even doing anything for Marvel rn?

could you have people be openly gay in comics at this time? JMD had Cap's gay friend, when was that...

He had that Inhumans miniseries that had mixed reception, and I think he has one story in a Black Panther special right now.
I would assume that next month's solicitations would have something.

I saw people mad that "Priest is already off JL" but he only ever said it was an arc, IIRC

He did that Inhumans mini

people are speculating that he's going full Marvel because he was at their writer retreat (that afaik they only invite exclusives to), Deathstroke sounds like it's wrapping up, and his JL is ending in a few months

It's more or less the same principle as superdickery or click bait, intentionally provocative to grab the reader's attention.

At the risk of evoking "back in my day", I honestly can't think of any current booms that have attention grabbing covers(that one Deathstroke issue with scary Power Girl is the closest that comes to mind). Not saying that comics should go back to outright lying about the contents or using out of context imagery, but something a little more interesting would be nice.

Suicide Squad had an openly gay mechanic
Northstar came out in the 90s I think

and FWIW, he seems 1) to like to not be tied down 2) in a position wherein he gets to negotiate to write things he wants to, and doesn't take anything he doesn't

goddamn, that's a HARD pose.

my achy back cries just lookin' at it.

>people are speculating that he's going full Marvel because he was at their writer retreat

ahhh ok

yeah marvel doesn't seem like they have the environment rn to let him just do whatever he wants on [Deathstroke equivalent Marvel B Lister]

>Dec 1988
Those annuals are probably coming up soon, right?

Nice to see Vic's abs are doing some detective work too.

OTOH, he'd also probably be lured to Marvel if they gave him something big, because he clearly itches for the A-listers and always has.

also lol

twitter.com/PatrickZircher/status/955521994375815169

ummm yeah just remind me when

>Priest goes Marvel exclusive before he gets to write Suicide Squad
I can't have this.

Also No Justice better not result with DS on a JL team. If anything all I want is that BB vs DS happens

man, Vic's gotten rugged

RIP Jason

and that mullet is Jaromir Jagr class

About time we had some fucking yakuza in here.

A Lister makes me think Cap which makes me laugh and laugh bc of bleedingcool's insistence that TNC is getting a Cap run.

I dunno what A Listers are actually available unless he gets an X-Team, which I wouldn't hate.

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as never a Penguins fan, I admit this quiz stumps me, but my god, some of those pics...

I laughed so hard when some people were all "Now Miles Morales is free for Priest to write!" because he would fucking never

looking forward to some vintage 80s Red Japan Scare shit

I guess Rich would've been told a black guy would be writing Cap but he assumed it was Coates since that dude is marvel's highest profile black guy

I have no idea when the annuals were published, but one reading order I saw said that the first set should have been after #18 (the GA appearance).
I'm sure Judge knows when,

whoops

SPEAKING OF, lol

At this rate, I fully expect the JL roster to be made up entirely of villains soon enough. Villains are getting way too popular, and it's frankly uncomfortable how more and more people care more about career criminals than heroes, to the point where stories in which heroes do evil things are legitimately more profitable.

I blame Geoff Johns and his villain husbandos

who was Geoff's first deeply sympathetic villain he worked on? Black Adam or Captain Cold?

Run free, madman!

don't make me even think about running BOMB QUEEN

Ok, "Fables", which is the three-part crossover between the 'Tec, GA and Question annuals, was in 1988. So it could be posted pretty much anytime, even after this issue.
The other crossover was in the 89 GA/Question annuals, and the collection I have places it after issue 31 of this run.

just kidding, BOMB QUEEN has absolutely no redeeming values whatsoever, even for me

>I blame Geoff Johns
big surprise

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I forgot Alan Moore's quote about DC going through his books like raccoons through garbage and laughed my ass off

it was a joke user, I still love Johns

That bottom left panel is really nice.

Hey OP.

Someone photoshop a skateboard onto that cover so Vic is doing a sick kickflip or something. A Kick Some Dude in the Head Flip?

it's a few years before skateboards would truly be everywhere in our comics, or is it

Yeah, good first page is a really good use of the a Splash, going all the way back to the beginning.

so upcoming: on tomorrow, late Monday, late Tuesday, OFF Wednesday/Thursday

Man these reporters are unusually sharp.

At DC? I think so, Extrano just got intruduced in Millennium.

At Marvel? Not until Shooter got pushed out because Comics are for Kids.

this feels pretty familiar

cranky, I thought you were done with comics and moving onto manga?

maybe we should read XXXenophile, hah

Sinestro as well. Though honestly, Johns was not the cause of this. The whole rooting for the empire attitude goes back ages and ages. The first major mainstream instances of it in the 20th century were probably Star Wars and Gundam. So many people to this day just fucking LOVE the Galactic Empire and the Principality of Zeon.
It was only a matter of time before it started bleeding into comics, with, lets be honest, The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen. Moral ambiguity was one of the things that made those stories into well regarded classics, which eventually mutated into adoration of villainy via villains becoming more complex characters.

It's a shitty situation, but you can see how it happened. Evil is considered cool, sadly.

This is a really nice fight sequence.

At least you tried, Vic.

>yeah marvel doesn't seem like they have the environment rn to let him just do whatever he wants on [Deathstroke equivalent Marvel B Lister]

You say that, but Marvel has allowed some pretty lax editorial leashes lately- America, Mockingbird, Secret Empire.
Akira-sama is a sea change, but I'm still not sure it's a sign that things will get BETTER.

XXXenophile at least has a huge sense of fun.

there's also the Spaceballs answer

>OTOH, he'd also probably be lured to Marvel if they gave him something big, because he clearly itches for the A-listers and always has.

>Slott off Spider-Man
>Priest back at Marvel

Hmmmm...

What's interesting about the growing coolness of evil to me is that nowadays we're getting this thing where people want to root for the bad guy but without them actually being that bad. "X did nothing wrong!" or "Well you see Y is actually the good guy in this scenario". Which isn't particularly new, but we're seeing how publishers like DC are taking note of that and increasingly putting villains in heroic positions and bending their universes over to make them more palatable and easily marketable.

fun is honestly the key to doing good porn, or at least one key

Marvel just announced a new Exiles book. Anything is possible

Though I will miss the fact we'll never see Blue & Gold cameo in Priests JL as a Quantam & Woody fill-in

I mean Priest might not be on a Miles book, but he 100% would use Miles if he was on Spider-Man. Might be the best of both worlds. Although Priest Spider-Man doesn't seem like it'd be playing to his strengths, where Cap does.

Foreign influence in an American election? This strains suspension of disbelief. Way too unrealistic.

Then you just get Civil War heroes fighting heroes forever, of course. And the 'What are heroes even for?' response.

MCU Loki fandom was really fucking insane for a good while, I've heard it's died down some

oh man oh man oh man to all of this, they really were putting out a range of complex comics at this time

also I want that JMD-signed issue

>lemon_stealing_whores.webm

I miss the silliness of the Justice League Antarctica

Ooh Poster!

it's so weird. and it's not even like "oh i just dig the aesthetic" or something. people want these bad guys to be right

Cold, I think.

But his Flash run I think started up right around the time JSA started to push Black Adam, so they might be tied.

hey nudity!

there's also a certain amount of sheer perversity to it, like "Society says jocks are cool so they must not be, these nerds are actually cool" and then you get 80s movies where the nerds are sociopaths and shit, but cool

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I kinda thought all that jocks/nerds shit was done with. But I never grew up in a place where it was real.

You're right.

And it's so floundering because the bad guys need to be evil. Sure, fleshed out and developed is fine, but there needs to be something to rally/work/fight against. It's clipping the wings and making everything so bland.

>But I never grew up in a place where it was real.
did anyone?

Like a year at most.
Skateboards were repopularized on a national level by Bart Simpson, but the whole Dog Boys scene was like 100% going on by this point.

When the plot only works because your heroes are idiots, that's just shit writing.

It is an interesting phenomenon indeed. I fact, it might explain why Batman is so popular. Dude's a literally insane rich asshole who beats up poor people, but he's not outright evil, so audiences love him. Think also about the absurd popularity of hero vs hero stories, wherein two groups of good guys end up doing dickish things to each other because they disagree on how to Sa e the day.

I can't help but wonder if audiences are subconsciously getting sick of standard good vs evil stories, and hunger for more grey conflicts. If it's not villains they wish to root for, but anti-heroes.

If that's the case, more people should check out Lyrical Nanoha A's.

Oh man I really love how some of these pages are put together.

To me it comes back to something we talked about a few threads back, which is that as people continue to define themselves by the media they consume and the fandoms they join, they start to feel (and fear) how those fandoms reflect on themselves. So if I like a bad guy, then maybe, unconsciously, I'll find myself defending them as a way to defend myself, instead of accepting that sure, they're evil as fuck. And this happens with any kind of attraction. Like,
>Oh man I think X villain is hot
>What the fuck, so you think we should totally enslave humanity just like X?
>NO FUCK YOU YOU DIDN'T GET IT X IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD
And eventually we get to a point where that becomes second nature for fandom at large. Although there are always other factors, including people who genuinely agree with the bad guys even without glossing over their flaws. And that process gets easier the more publishers try to excuse or erase those flaws.

>several cups and glasses on the computer
playing dangerous games there, Tot

I just mentioned it in that awful ramble because a few weeks ago someone posted a surprisingly decent twitter thread pointing out just how nasty a lot of teen comedies in the 80s were, and they ran heavily on that dynamic, and because there's been a lot of "actually, we kind of suck" soul-searching in nerdy communities

for example, as you know, I'm playing DAO now kiiiind of unspoiled, but fandom has completely ruined me for DA2 because no one will fucking shut up about Anders because he is the most intense locus of fandom overidentification since Snape

Nothing to see here. Definitely not something that would 100% fit in like every other fucking thread on this board...

>If it's not villains they wish to root for, but anti-heroes.
I feel like that was very much the case for the 80s and the 90s, and then there was a weird place in the 00s where people wanted classic superheroes but who were still antiheroes, and now that that's passed there's a sector of the audience that has gone into full villain worship. Prolly because most antiheroes tend to have terrible lives and make little effect on the world, so unless you get one of those weird pro-militaristic Punisher runs they're usually portrayed as very miserable folks. Meanwhile, villains get to be more proactive, over the top and brutal without having to make the concessions to keep anti-heroes somewhat heroic.

>Foglio

Is there anyone else who went from Big Two comics to Webcomics?

Some guy commented during all the Jon Malin stuff with:
>twitter.com/andreuswolf/status/955461901869375488
And it's like - nah, it's usually a little bit less clear cut than that.

Hahah wow.
Yeah, you're right.

yeah. it's like the constant blow up in video games. people seem to take criticism of an industry as a criticism of them personally.

you'd think it would be easier to separate the self from that shit but i guess not


also like a lot of the DC villains they push aren't interesting solo. Harley and Lobo are joke characters.

>proactive

i wonder how much is like a subconscious thing where heroes are never doing stuff but reacting to stuff. reminds me of that 00s trend where hero creates his own new team but this time THEY FIGHT PROACTIVELY.

coughgreenarrow

>fighting a biker gang in your wifebeater

Oh boy... Dredd is a special case because he's as much antihero as he is straight villain, but a lot of it comes not from himself but from the setting and organization he works from. Dredd, the cog and major exemplar of the brutal judicial system, is absolutely a villain, as he fights to keep an oppressive system working. But Dredd the man, who puts his life on the line to save citizens and punches through Judge Fear's head, is at least an anti-hero. And that's without even getting into modern day Dredd who is painfully aware of how fucked the system is...

This fight scene, fuck yes.

i think part of the reason i have a weird reaction to dredd is that it's operating on all those levels of irony/satire.

also no one told me it was a satire when i started reading it

Yeah, I think you always have to take the question of the metaphysics of the setting into very strong account. That is to say, is it a crapsack world, and what kind of crapsack world is it. Capeshit can be really interesting for taking the shared universe and very different angles on it--the mysticism of a JMD book isn't the mysticism of Denny, or street-level, or etc.

And Dredd is definitely some form of dystopia but not an utterly pessimistic one.

now, rec me your favorite crapsack world books. best I've read recently was Blackwing, Ed McDonald

Speaking of Dredd, are the Complete Case files the best way to get into it? Been meaning to get into Dredd for a while and saw them at my local library.

The fact that Sinestro is one of DC's poster child "villain heroes" is honestly pretty galling, because Johns never even really changed the Space Hitler element of his origin that much. Sinestro is a totalitarian dictator who's original story was about Green Lantern rings being a dangerously exploitable power and that's been swept under the rug for Rainbow Wars.

I always had a soft spot for Confessions of a Crap Artist.

PKD really struck a chord with that upstate secluded state of living and all of it's depressing glory.

>crapsack world books
Mignola-Universe

It was really funny that Space Hitler and Starro are on a JL team but Harley was the one people complained about not fitting. (not to mention pedo Deathstroke or genocider Lobo)