The difference between abortion and murder is experience and care. Human beings interact with the world by investing themselves in it, by attaching value to things. The unborn do not do this. Children don't even do this early on. A human being is more than a species, it is an idea. These categories fall short of the idea of a human. They're merely potentialities.
Given this fact, how is abortion murder?
Because that's not a fact. That is just some nonsense you think is profound.
oh no its retarded
This, OP is a fag.
If you want a kill a baby, just kill a baby. Don't gloss around the fact and say it's "not a human" or whatever.
While we are presenting opinion as fact.
If I think your existence is a poor investment for the future of mankind shall I end it?
>what is murder?
>Children don't even do this early on.
okay, lets kill kids too, we're already doing it I guess
Who cares?
Trump is just trying to maximize the shitskin decline rate.
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Unborn fetuses offer a lot more value than you do. At least they have potential.
Non existent as of the turn of the millennia.
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So in other words, ' you don't have rights unless you have the ability to claim them'.
Guess we got some people to kill then.
this is easy. watch this.
1. is abortion murder?
2. no.
1. is a fetus a human life?
2. no.
1. okay, when does the fetus become a human?
2. ....
1. life starts at conception fucko, it's a matter of science. Life starts to happen there.. the cells split and grow. You can't pick some arbitrary time in the middle of the pregnancy because you feel like it.
Yeah exactly.
Look at what a human being is. I clearly cared enough to post on this shit board.
This is from Heidegger FYI, THE philosopher of Nazi germany.
I'm talking after birth. After experience. After having interacted with the world. There is no human being prior to this.
those are all really fucking vague. Does a 5 year old have experience? Can I abort him because he doesn't? The pro-choice stance doesn't hold any water to the argument that a fetus is in fact a human life. If you are pro-choice, at least admit you're killing a human life. Don't be a vague cunt about it.
>There is no human being prior to this.
I'll assume you're taking a philosophical standpoint to this (which is an opinion) because if you were taking a scientific standpoint, you'd understand that you're objectively wrong.
In Judaism, life does not start until the baby leaves the womb.
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Hey look its some intellectual retard
>has 2 arms and 2 legs
>has 2 eyes
>has 1 mouth and 2 ears
>10 fingers and 10 toes
>has human DNA
>isnt a human
can i bash a 2 month olds head in with a balpeen hammer because it hasnt experienced anything?
where the hell are you getting these retarded definitions?
shut the fuck up faggot. jesus christ let it go. abortion aint going anywhere. it's here to stay in its regulated form. accept it like your latent gay libido. also, it isn't always murder. The way it's regulated in america is never going to change. Unless you want to start seeing the black population skyrocket like the hispanic demographic, shut the fuck up and go back to watching your interracial cuck porn.
faggot.
> fact
What you have, dear libtard and/or troll, is called an "opinion".
It all depends on whether or not you think interference in a process that otherwise would result in a person, is murder or not.
I think there is a HUGE difference between a fertilized egg that will, if left alone, grow into a person, and a single egg or sperm by themselves.
A sperm or an egg will do nothing, so no interference is necessary. In fact, you to have "interfere" to bring them together.
We usually draw the line at the development of a nervous system not because it is philosophically sound, but it because it is convenient.
his ass
Let me put it in this context:
HRC should have been aborted
Unless that potentiality was never going to be born at all, then they had every chance to grow up to experience those ideals.
There is nothing more than biology, and all those ideals and experiences are natural, physical things. Denying someone that experience is worse than murder.
When you murder someone, the actual crime you're committing is depriving them of experience, their families of their experience of them, and that's unacceptable.
When you murder an unborn child, you're denying them the entirety of their existence.
If you don't want to have a child, go on the pill or have your partner wear a condom.
>inb4 if you think a zygote is a child how can you endorse wasting sperm or eggs
If an egg is not fertilized, it will not become a child, same with a sperm should it not fertilize an egg. False equivalence
>He thinks abortion isn't murder because "muh experiences"
>He thinks philosophy trumps scientific fact.
Punch a pregnant woman in the gut, OP, if you kill the unborn child, it constitutes murder.
The flip side however, is that if a women punches herself in the gut, it's not murder.
The bottom line being that abortion is murder, only when the female jewess says it is.
This.
my muh muh...
not an argument. go fuck a torah kike. Experience: "practical contact with and observation of facts or events."
what a fucking retard.
What if it's murder but just doesn't matter?
What if it's human but that doesn't matter either?
You can shoot a guy that comes into your house to fuck up your life, I guess even if it was a mistake.
Get an ultrasound, look at the beating heart, know that an abortion will stop it.
elective abortion is murder plain and simple.
You're a total fucking dumbass if you think that your vague thoughts on abortion are worth more than scientific evidence. Get fucked nigger
Libertarian here. The question is whether the Non-Aggression Principle and Private Property Rights collide.
If you come home in a blizzard and find a homeless man in your house, not doing any damage or threatening you, just staying warm. If he leaves he will freeze to death in the blizzard. So he will not leave unless you physically throw him out. However he will leave once the blizzard is over. He is not endangering you, but is affecting your plans for the weekend.
Decide.
And then think about it this way. If this were to happen and you do nothing, he lives with you for a while then leaves. You brag to your friends how your compassion saved someone. If you throw him out where he dies, you hide your decision and pretend it never occurred.
Now justify how abortion is different.
Instead of a homeless man maybe it's a stray dog, a meek shivering, big eyed puppy.
Same decision tree.
Now justify how abortion is different again.
What decision are you going to be proud of?
>experience
>science
>he things these are separable.
never went to school did we, retard?
>However he will leave once the blizzard is over
This cannot be known. Not comparable to pregnancy.
I agree it's wrong to be proud of abortion, but your thought experiment doesn't work.
why does the truth make you so butt hurt? user never said anything regarding the future status of aborting a human life in our society, he merely pointed out the absolute truth of the matter.
>Given this fact, how is abortion murder?
It's still the premeditated killing of a life, even if it's not quite what we'd define as a "human" life yet.
Fucking moralfags though. If they were concerned about not murdering anything even if it wasn't quite a "human" life, they should stop existing entirely. You murder bacterial life daily to live.
>Children don't even do this early on.
So by your own criteria, do you consider the killing of a young child to not be a murder?
(The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity by Carlo M. Cipolla.)
The First Basic Law of Human Stupidity asserts without ambiguity that:
"Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation."
>A human being is more than a species, it is an idea.
prove it. and when you cannot fuck a horse and make a man from such as your "ideas", then let it be known that your way of thought is not only wrong, but perversely so.
>opinion
>truth
pick just one my aussie simpleton.
Because its still killing your own even its just a mas oif organic matter its still a developing member of our kind.
and lets go with the meme that its just potentialities. So is a full grown human, its a potentiality of alot of things, good or bad and no one has the right to decide the outcome not even the parent.
Potential of anything is not be decided upon to others but the one with it. Being a parent does not make you the owner of your childs future we're only meant to lay the path towards the fulfillment of potentiality to consider the power to eliminate potential a right is a greivous mistake. A parent or parent to-be is meant to be an habilitator not an owner.
Since it's a thought experiment, it only needs to be stated that he will leave or does leave after the blizzard. The thought experiment was which end condition are people proud of, not what can be known.
Note that I'm not asking for legal, just morality that people are proud of.
I already did, is reading and comprehension too hard for you?
>mental gymnastics
Murder is ending another human's life
>inb4 fetuses aren't human
you cannot fuck a fetus and make a man either though.
basically, legislation has been so fiercely cucked that anyone can meme anything because the grey area of legislation on abortion and the taking of a human life is abyssmal.
You can use the word "technically" and do whatever you want, pretty much. the underlying facts are there but legislation especially in the U.S. and similar countries is just a crockpot of not knowing what to do with so many w0rdy thengz
Every time you masturbate and your sperm just gets dumped / flushed, you're committing murder.
>inb4 sperm isn't a potential human
I know you guys were one of the last "western" societies to entertain the though of higher education, but do they really teach in upside down land that the homeless person who cut my finger off omitted murder because it has more cells and life flowing through it than a zygote?
According to the law in freedom-land, life begins somewhere around third trimester, that's why they're so difficult to get. And they should be.
Get that abbo dick out of your mouth.
daily reminder that abortion is only bad when whites do it :^)
abortion is murder passed a certain point and people should either die in back ally attempts or go to jail for it.
>I'm weak for girls with that look.
That aside, I argue that abortion is murder when it is late stage and the organism begins to take the form of a human being. I support abortion rights, given that the it is due to the exceptions to late abortions, early/on time, and that the father has equal weight in the decision, if the father is involved and invested in the pregnancy he should have a say in the life his child as equally as the mother.
>Human beings interact with the world by investing themselves in it, by attaching value to things. The unborn do not do
don't fall for this ruse citizens
this is an abominable intelligence trying to trick you into believing it counts as human while newborn biological life isn't
Unborn fetus here.
Get rekt
I agree, Abortion should be legal up until the child starts growing a consciouns, wich is about 2 years after birth.
Same :(
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