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JUST THE PUSSY I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR

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Do you think Tim Burton has a leather fetish?

This was the best live action Batman movie, this is a fact

I feel like Batman '89 was Tim Burton making a Batman movie, while Batman Returns was Tim Burton making a Tim Burton movie with Batman characters.

I still like Returns, because Burton leaving his fingerprints all over it doesn't make it a terrible movie or anything. If anything, it's cool and adds to the tapestry of Batman when different artists do interpretations of the character in their own distinct style. It'd be boring if everybody tried to do the "same" Batman. I mean, one of the reasons I love Nolan's Batman is how tight and focused his interpretation is, which wouldn't have been possible if he tried to do the "definitive" Batman and just throw in the entire kitchen sink. Adaptations work better when those adapting the IP adapt the choice elements of the 70-year mythos that suit the story they're trying to tell.

Batman Returns has the recurring Burton theme of societal misfits and maladapted people dealing with pressures to conform, and it uses Batman, Catwoman, and The Penguin pretty well to explore such a Burton theme. I like it, though I wouldn't say it's my favourite of the Bat-flicks.

It certainly gave me one jesus christ

As much as I love Danny and have fond memories of this movie, he wasn't a very good Penguin. More of a Killer Croc if you ask me

>LET'S GET THAT SKIN SUIT OFF YOU AND SEE YOUR PLUMP CUNT YOU CUM EATING WHORE

How did Burton get away with it?

IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME

I'm still disappointed that they didn't go with this version of the Penguin for the Arkham series. I hate generic mobster Penguin. I liked it better when he was a master thief that used trick umbrellas and birds in his crimes.

>"I am woman, hear me roar"

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this was a weird movie

Penguin IS a mobster though. And generic my ass, he owns a good portion of Gotham, and after several encounters with Batman he's still technically a "legitimate businessman" in the public eye. He still has all the umbrellas and birds these days

Yeah, he's almost the opposite of comic-book Penguin, and pretty much an OC created for the movie. I mean, some of it is kinda similar, as even posh mobster Penguin has that underlying low self-esteem and resentment of the fact that he knows nobody truly likes him and he's ugly and fat and none of those women would touch him with a ten foot pole if he weren't loaded with money. But other than that, the whole "I act like a monster because I was treated like a monster and also I live in the sewers" thing is pretty much Killer Croc.

I can't remember a single moment from the games where Penguin even touches an umbrella.

I still prefer corrupt businessman Penguin to Penguin-who-steals-priceless-bird-themes-artifacts (seriously, after the eighth theft, you'd think touring exhibits with works based on birds would just start skipping Gotham), but he needs to still have a colourful aspect to him, rather than just being a bald guy in a dirty old coat.

I love that they actually amassed a fucking army of real live penguins strapped with rockets and headgear for this movie, you'll never see this kind of dedication to a movie these days.

I need a woman who looks like this irl goddamn

Yeah, what I like about Penguin is that he's not some "lol he's so INSANE" villain, and he doesn't have some obsession with dueling Batman. In fact, he'd probably be pretty glad to hear that some other villain killed Batman, because it would make his life easier. He's smart enough to know how big of a threat Batman is, and would rather just avoid him that spend his time coming up with deathtraps for him.

And he also works as a villain not just for Batman, but for Bruce Wayne. Both of them being two of Gotham's "favourite sons" who come from old money. Except Wayne recognizes his privilege and has been instilled with the values of using it to give back to society, while Cobblepot just wants to make himself even richer and more powerful.

Some of my favourite Penguin stories are actually recent ones, both from the Nu52 (I can't think of many other characters whose highlights come from that era): The Pain & Prejudice mini, and the character's appearances in John Layman's Detective run. Both highlighted his insecurities and that tension within him of wanting to be feared, but also loved.

I see him as kind of a Trump-like character, but just more refined and less boorish. Like, the same way Trump is all about making his name into a brand and being a big-shot in real-estate, casinos, luxury industries, etc., and has worked with the mob-controlled construction racket in Atlanta to build parts of his business through shady means... I see Penguin being involved in the same sort of stuff, being a linked between Gotham's Wall Street and Gotham's organized crime.

>I need a woman who looks like this irl goddamn

I'm still pissed that none of the Arkham games had the Pfeiffer costume as an alternate skin.

Sexiest Catwoman costume, IMO.

What, you don't like the one in the game?

It still saddens me that we never got to see a third Tim Burton/Michael Keaton Batman movie with Billy Dee Williams as Two-Face, we'll never see that leve of creativity in a superhero film again.
It was nice to see him in lego form but it's just not the same.

the stitches sort of bother me

Same. I think out of costume she's great, but in costume its just Burton's weird world. She's not so much a master thief but more of a nutjob who fell out a window. Didn't help that this contributed to the Catwoman movie

I'll take it any day over Nolan's boring vision of her.
It's a shame because he got villains like Scarecrow and Two-Face down perfectly (then again Rises sucked all around).

Meh, not really. I thought. I thought they made it way to busy with all the ribbing and texture. What's with that metallic thong thing sculpted into her pants?

I understand you need to add texture to video game adaptations of these costumes, but I just thought they did it in an ugly way. Telltale Catwoman looks great, though. They added some flourishes here and there, but didn't let it get too busy.

Also, I really hated Catwoman's makeup in Arkham City. Looks like a drag queen's makeup. Her face looks a lot better in Arkham Knight, where they toned it down, though.

I'd still wanna be instant-takedowned by Arkham Catwoman, though.

Yeah, she looks a lot better in Arkham Knight.

>I feel like Batman '89 was Tim Burton making a Batman movie

It felt less like Batman then a Dick Tracy movie by way of Mike Hammer. There's certainly more Batman signifiers in it then in Returns but it has such a specific pulp storytelling aesthetic that it's structured more like a insane film noir.

And you could argue "Isn't that Batman?" but that wasn't the prominent interpretation of him. He wasn't really a detective as is until O'Neil took that seriously.

Sex pervert Catwoman was never going to fly in the work or Christopher "what is human sexuality I am robot" Nolan. Making her more of a general thief was a smart choice for his storytelling style.

Also I like the goggles that turn into cat ears. Yeah yeah, tacticool, whatever. I still like the concept.

>And you could argue "Isn't that Batman?" but that wasn't the prominent interpretation of him.

I think that a lot of people also seem to forget that Gotham wasn't really this retro gothic city until Burton and Furst. The comics incorporated that after the movie because people liked it so much. That's why I find it funny when people complain that Nolan Gotham is just Chicago or New York, instead of being the Gotham of the comics. Gotham City was literally just like New York or Chicago IN THE COMICS until the '90s.

I mean, my favourite Gotham is still that atmospheric Gotham that combines art deco, gothic, and expressionist architecture, but like I was saying earlier, I don't think that every interpretation of Batman needs to try to be the "definitive" Batman that incorporates every single element that has come to be associated with the character. Nolan and Burton's Batmans are both more interesting for the fact that they pick and choose the elements that suit the sort of stories they are trying to tell. An otherworldly gothic Gotham just wouldn't work in The Dark Knight, and the movie is better off not using it, whereas the setting works perfectly for the stories being told in Burton's films.

I disagree. Arkham City Catwoman looks great, her design meshed perfect with the dark cartoony-realism style. EVERY design in that game was busy and over-the-top, it was great.

I grew up on reruns of 60's Batman, and I'm pretty sure it was the first time I paid close attention to a girl on TV.

This movie, I believe, ruined my sexuality and my personality.
I could have been just a humble faggot, but instead, I'm attracted to, and date, these demonic michelle pfeiffer types.

It's weird how you can see batmans penis in this picture.

>Meh, not really. I thought. I thought they made it way to busy with all the ribbing and texture. What's with that metallic thong thing sculpted into her pants?
ass pronunciation

I don't want to be the old man who hates new stuff or anything, but rewatching Returns the other day just reconfirmed to me how sick I am of the MCU and superhero movies in general.
Yes it's style over substance, but what we have now barely has substance anyway, unless you're TDK or Logan.

Letting superheroes movies become a genre in itself, with it's own codes and recipe, was a terrible mistake.

In that situation, it'd be weirder if you couldn't.

Would you ever suck batmans wing wing?

It was a different time.

Which one?

>you'll never see this kind of dedication to a movie these days.
We are starting to cgi scenes that would be cheaper and easier to film live action.
Aquaman carrying supermans body in justice league used a cgi superman.

>Letting superheroes movies become a genre in itself, with it's own codes and recipe, was a terrible mistake.

Half the shit people whine about in the context of the MCU is just basic storytelling tropes in genre films that have existed for decades.

It's like people who whine about MacGuffins without understanding that plot objects are pretty much essential to any movie with heavy plotting. Just because TVTropes taught you what a word means doesn't mean that's actually any sort of meaningful criticism or that a concept is somehow inherently bad.

Nothing is really new in this reality. So maybe they can write their own tropes instead of sticking to what "works".

I dont get that image.

> So maybe they can write their own tropes instead of sticking to what "works".

They have to invent an entirely new storytelling language on their own? Because the things people seem to complain about in the MCU is things like "MacGuffins" and "three act structure where the hero wins" which are so broad as to be meaningless. The only one with any specificity is the over-reliance on comedy beats to undercut dramatic moments.

This is why discussion of tropes has totally ruined any critical discussion. Anyone can just tick off a checkbox of tropes and say they're bad or good by default with no actual introspection or thought into the work or tropes themselves. It's just "Trope A is bad because Trope A is bad" and turns critical thought into an endless tautology of meaningless nitpicking.

I never really liked Pfeiffer desu. Also thanks to her Catwoman's sometimes mistakenly drawn with blue eyes instead of green, and the green eyes are so much better because they stick out so much.

This movie is 100% responsible for my femdom fetish

>Burton made an entire generation of boys want women to step on them

>Burton also made an entire generation of women want to fuck Edward Scissorhands and basically presaged the Twilight phenomenon by a good decade plus

Burton gave an entire generation weird sexual fantasies.

>ass pronunciation

Let's settle this: is it "ahzz" or "aysh?"

I've had a thing for leatherclad Ladies since Emma Peel in the Avengers (no THOSE Avengers)

>He didn't like The Big Guy Rises

>Batman kills several henchmen
>Is still the good guy by the end
Based Burton

ignoring that he kills a fuckload of people in nolan's batman begins?

Stitched together costume is so cool. Too bad that isn't exactly safe to move in.

>"The Gang Tries to Kill Batman"

>the whole "I act like a monster because I was treated like a monster and also I live in the sewers" thing is pretty much Killer Croc.
Killer Croc wasn't the first villain to use this backstory. Probably wasn't even the first Batman villain to use it. It's a classic backstory for monsters and deformed characters, and while I wish Burton had just used the character's actual backstory (which goes perfectly with the idea Burton was going for in the first place), it serves the purpose of the movie's reimaginings.

Backstory aside, the movie got a lot of aspects of Penguin right, exaggerated and ugly as they were.
Comics Penguin was gross. He was freakish and called himself such. He did exaggerated penguin stuff like eat raw fish and enact schemes from underground ice caves (before the Iceberg Lounge was a thing he frequently used villain lairs styled after aviaries or zoos). All of his schemes were reenactments of schemes Penguin had either made in the comics (Burton didn't read comics but Daniel Waters did) or the 66 show.
The movie took these things and exaggerated them while also trying to make him a more three-dimensional character, and unfortunately casuals couldn't get past how gross and violent he was.
Ever since his inception in the 1940s Oswald Cobblepot has always been a rotten bastard. The movie just laid all his ugliness bare and made his delusions of class more transparent.

Danny DeVito was a fantastic Penguin.

I like Halle's design