What's with the complete and utter absence of anything resembling masculinity in kids cartoons?

What's with the complete and utter absence of anything resembling masculinity in kids cartoons?
Is it really right to do this to little boys?

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> why won't the TV educate my kids for me???

Takes a village to raise a child :^)

Socialist bullshit.

It takes PARENTS to raise a child.

A socialist response if there ever was one.

The answer is that no, its not right. But anyone looking to their television to be an example or a moral arbiter is going to have major problems. You want your young boy to have examples of strong, masculine men?
Find media that shows them and get excited about it, make sure your kid sees it, and then talk to them about it after.
Not to mention that you should try to be that example to them yourself.

Crazy, right?

just fucking put he-man on

When I was in Japan walking in the middle of a night with a friend, he stopped me from crossing an empty street because the light was red. I asked him why and he replied: "what if a kid saw us?" While I do understand that parents are the vanguard of raising children, society must try to do better as well.

Cartoons were never "masculine", even shit like GI Joe was heavily neutered and He-Man was gayer than Steven Universe.

Action cartoons are dead. No money in toys anymore, since those shows were basically ads, and it doesn't help that studios these days just want 15 minute long toons made cheap

Show your kid Anime, as masculine as you can get.

>What's with the complete and utter absence of anything resembling masculinity in kids cartoons?
Manliness has gone out of style, but with how hard people are pushing it away, I suspect it'll come back with a vengeance in the next 20 years or so

There's a weird line you cross when something becomes so manly it also becomes incredibly gay.
See: Jojo, He-man, Romans, etc.,

Two words:
"Toxic masculinity"

>Is it really right to do this to little boys?

No, but I dont think having ultra violent role models is a good example for young boys.

>muh masculinity
There's nothing very masculine about telling young boys there's only way to be a man.

There's more than one way to be a man, but being manly apparently isn't one of them anymore

He-Man was in no way "manly", even back then. Fuck, especially back then.

Manly in the way the Brawny man is manly

But there is value on teaching a kid that standing up for justice with their bare fists can be a necessity where words fail you, or showing a role model that walks the balance of right and wrong but stays on the right side out of some sense of responsibility.

Action heroes can be paragons of ideals like very few figures of fiction can because they get down and do shit, fuck it the thing I remember the most from stuff like justice league is not flash kicking Lex arse but the little sympathetic moments it had with his villains.

You can stablish a hero through their fist but win the audience with their hearts and modern media isn't interested in pulling that off anymore.

Heck they put more interest on making a sympathetic sad backstory villain than making a charismatic or burdened hero that tries his best to keep up, scratch any hot blooded young ladies that learns to put his powers to good use through the example of others or tribulations as well because nowadays they either follow the author avatar and never question their morality or are helpless morons that can't rise a fist and despite having a decent moral of solving problems with words they fucking never reach the audience as hard as a memorable action scene does.

Well look who's crying for representation in the media.

What happened to your conviction?

It's a trend that's pervasive throughout a lot of media. Look at movies, masculine movies aren't really being made in the West that are pumped with testosterone in the way an Arnie or Stallone movie are. Action heroes now are conventionally attractive with toned-down violence that's pretty much just choreographed dancing to try and appeal to the female market, since it's harder for guys to convince their partners to more masculine films where men will put up with being dragged to a feminine movie they aren't too interested in, so by having attractive leads twirling around, it might convince a few more women than a shirtless Arnie blowing holes into crowds of foreigners-we-were-at-war-with with high calibre automatic weapons.

I can understand the economical side of things, but I feel that in toning down masculine elements in media so much that it has gone from something strongly appealing to fewer people to weakly appealing to a larger audience.

Turnabout is fair play

>I can understand the economical side of things, but I feel that in toning down masculine elements in media so much that it has gone from something strongly appealing to fewer people to weakly appealing to a larger audience.
In general the edges are getting smoothed off everything as companies have to appeal to larger and larger markets and are therefore terrified of including something that may alienate potential audiences.

Nobody's really talking about representation in the way that they are saying the "can't relate because it's not masculine enough", it's a discussion about attributes that have been dialed down in media over the last few years.

Someone wanting more, say, fantasy cartoons isn't complaining that there isn't equal representation of fantasy cartoons out there.

To this day I consider the "contact" scene from Predator one of the most awesome moments of my life.

I wish kids could experience stuff like this more.

>Someone wanting more, say, fantasy cartoons isn't complaining that there isn't equal representation of fantasy cartoons out there.
Except maybe the dragon-kins

Art schools.

i always thought the magnificent seven(1960) did a good job

That's probably true. I've noticed it the most with "nerd" stuff and more masculine (if that's the right word) media since it's what I tend towards. I can't say whether it's happening with more feminine stuff but I wouldn't be surprised.

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I was ready to refute the OP but then I had a look at the actual list of cartoons and...the closest I think we have is Scrooge in Ducktales and Eugene in Tangled.

There are other male characters, but none I'd really consider masculine role models.

>I can't say whether it's happening with more feminine stuff but I wouldn't be surprised.
The problem is that instead of making feminine stuff good they're just making masculine stuff more feminine.
Part of the reason small horse show was so popular was because it was aimed at girls and actually GOOD.
My theory on this is that girls have been shoveled shit for so long that their tolerance for quality if skewed, but when compared to boys' stuff it's obvious their stuff is inferior, so rather than try to improve their stuff they just play with our toys and insist they play dress-up instead of fight monsters.

>the closest I think we have is Scrooge in Ducktales and Eugene in Tangled.

One is an Alpha duck driven by his desire to over achieve and greed that sometimes has good sympathetic family moments.

The other one is surprisingly interesting character for its archetype, it's hard to pin down honestly but actually works as a role model.

It depends on how you define masculinity. If you're looking for the macho type then you won't find much, if you're looking for a classic Americana, Jimmy Stewart-type, then Greg from SU is a pretty good example.

I'm not even so sure "masculine" is the right word here, but it is definitely affecting a lot of media that appeals mostly to men. Even stuff that isn't overtly masculine like Star Wars definitely feels like it is being pushed into appealing to women more, again I think for movies it's a case of men are willing to be taken to movies they don't want to see so there's no need to make female-focussed movies appeal to men more, but for something like Star Wars that's mostly appealing to guys, Disney thinks that if it appeals to women more, they'll also get a bigger share of the female audience. I don't want to sound like an MRA but I really think there has been a decline in male-focussed media since at least the 2000s, I don't think it's due to some feminist agenda or anything, but just media companies being willing to serve out a product that appeals to more people at the sacrifice of losing its male appeal.

The whole small horses fanbase thing is fairly interesting, guys were willing to jump into the show wholesale based on its quality alone, so I think quality probably is a factor on why this whole transaction only seems to be one way. I also think it's interesting that everyone on the internet hated bronies the moment they showed up, yet the internet creams itself when girls are into male-orientated things.

Like I said, I think it's a matter of girl stuff being shit for so long that companies expect it and don't even bother to try to make girl shows gender-neutral, while boy stuff has always cut both ways. Therefore, from a business decision it makes more sense to try to make boy-stuff more girl friendly than the other way around. Despite the massive love for the small horse show, I'd be willing to bet that young boys didn't really jump on board and buy the awful pink toys en mass. And while I don't think it's inherently malicious most of the time, it's gotten to the point where it seems like boys just aren't allowed to have things that are just for boys anymore, like how they're starting to let girls into the boy scouts.

I'll have to digress, as someone who saw the horse show early because folks pestered me about it being better than expected I gotta say it does pull you in for it's quality, however people distanced themselves out if the horse show due to the inane Horse Fucker fanbase and a mild Touhou effect were the horse fuckers wanted to relate everything with horses and that gave the fans a terrible reputation despite it being on its prime.

Something similar happened with undercrap and jumpscare the game, however I think the horse fucker phenomenon was the first time we got a Touhou effect and it got major backlash.

Something similar happened with Kemono Friends on Sup Forums but kememe is more of a holy shit this is good edutainment in a sea of mediocrity and Isekai than a bar raising cartoon for a media that was at an all time low.

Also Kememe performed a rectum apocalypse on salesfags that they still have to recover on all fronts of merchandise but it can work as an analogy on the quality stuff without an annoying fanbase.

Sorry for bringing Anime shit here but I needed to point out that it's the fanbase that killed the horse show in general and not the girly stuff.

As a former fan of the horse show I have to agree, the fandom did get too vocal for its own good. That said, there's a much bigger stigma for boys acting girly than there is for girls being tomboys.

As someone who played a lot with tomboys growing up, yes there is a big stigma of boys acting like girls and yet somehow a couple of girls playing wrestling or pretending to do a Kamehameha while playing lantern tag with a boy her age causes no one to bat an eye.

In retrospective I was one lucky bastard until puberty made it awkward.

Do you mean masculinity as in "shirtless guy beating the shit out of each other"? Because that's pretty gay OP.

>Sorry for bringing Anime shit here but I needed to point out that it's the fanbase that killed the horse show in general and not the girly stuff.
Yeah, maybe that's a bigger part of it. Bronies were pretty annoying back then, but there was definitely a lot of revulsion based purely on "men watching a girl's show". I guess the fact it's for little kids too, doesn't really help despite the show being decent in its own right.

>boys just aren't allowed to have things that are just for boys anymore
Yeah, that definitely feels true. There's so much talk of it being a good then when something male includes women, and "toxic masculinity" or the "manosphere" when something's above the male-percentage-threshold-value but then there's also the persistant thread of discussion about how certain media is empowering for being focussed towards specific groups which just feels hypocritical. Is everything meant to be for everyone? Or is some stuff only meant to appeal to certain crowds?

Again, this sort of discussion is probably less than 10% of the reason for male-focussed media being pointed away from men a little bit with economics being the other 90%.

Nowadays we only get the shirtless guys doing talk-fu without the punching while resident Mary Sue solves all the problems, and that's even more gay.

The village is there to compensate for the parents who are just manifestly incompetent.

It's like something being gay prevents it from being masculine.

bumoing to trigger someone

>When I was in Japan
oooooooh. Look at Mr. International. He was in Japan. Fucking weeb faggot

>kid walking around in middle of the night

>To this day I consider the "contact" scene from Predator one of the most awesome moments of my life.
>one of the most awesome moments of my life.
>of my life.
>my life.

You really need to go out more.

I read this is Homer's voice

Even as a kid I thought the brawny man was a faggot.

Masculinity is gay.

>most of those listed shows are literal whos nobody gives a shit about and which are less verifiable for manliness
>he completely ignores Castlevania, Gar from OK KO, Stretch Armstrong

10/10

>What's with the complete and utter absence of anything resembling masculinity in kids cartoons?

There are plenty of it. Tmnt, Superheroes shows, Gumball, Voltron, anime.

SW had a predominantly male character roster with Leia tossed in there. It was heavily skewed that way in the first place, so now that it's closer to the middle, it feels more feminine relatively speaking.

Also more women get dragged to action man flicks than men to feelsy chick flicks.

Anons, what is masculinity to you? Becouse the more I think about it, the harder it is for me to have one clear definition. Or at least definition that could be showed in cartoon.

Muscles
Armour
Sex
Cybernetics
Utility-belt
Latex
Intense
Natty
Iron
Tits
Yuri

so 90s + yuri(what) ?

>Gar from OK KO
>the guy who instantly shits himself physically and mentally whenever he's within 50 meters of his MILF friend
yeah what a bro