I will not give up libertarian ideals

It disappoints me that there are hardly any libertarians on this board any more. To me, individual liberty is one of the most important things there is. I think people should have the right to watch what they want, do any drugs they want, consume any media they want, and run their businesses the way they choose. Why have we abandoned this idea?

Sup fellow libertarian. I'm sorry, I've been busy drinking tears from as many sides as possible post election, after doing my part and going out to vote. For Johnson. And securing the Libertarians on our state ballot for the next 4 years.

But as the head of our party said "Their tears are delicious (and their parties will die).

>I would rather be a nigger in Africa doing what I want than be in a functional and efficient society

Fuck off degenerate cunt

>Republicuck mastrubating to state run surveilance and putin
>Democuck mastrubating to state run surveilance and hillary

>we
Bruh. It's not about "we". It's not about people. It's about being right.

Is Johnson really the best you can put out? I agree with a lot of Libertarianism, but he made you guys look like fucking idiots.

Also I'd drop the complete de-regulation platform - nobody wants to go back to the days of rivers that catch on fire and managers treating employees as slave labor.

All the pessimism on both sides depresses me because nobody seems to recognize how far we've all come in the past century alone.

Why the fuck do you have a crusader as your image? They're like the opposite of libertarians since they have ideals other than muh freedoms and muh economy

>>Republicuck mastrubating to state run surveilance and putin
>>Democuck mastrubating to state run surveilance and hillary

Get off the computer Gary.

being for open borders kills the libertarian.

>"you guys"
>"how far we've all come"
Collectivist Borg.

>It disappoints me that there are hardly any libertarians on this board any more. To me, individual liberty is one of the most important things there is. I think people should have the right to watch what they want, do any drugs they want, consume any media they want, and run their businesses the way they choose. Why have we abandoned this idea?

Why are you posting a picture of a Roman Catholic crusader then?

Freedom of thought and written word is paramount, see JS Mill and discovery of truth, other acts, not so. I am not allowed have my own plutonium research lab in my basement.

THE TREE OF LIBERTY

SHALL

NOT

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The other options were insane as fuck. I mean, McCafee?

My vote was specifically a protest vote against the two major parties, and if it helps get some fucking political diversity into our system, then yay.

As far as deregulation, IDK, looking at things we're already righteously fucked. In a perfect world, I'd like an anarchist utopia too, but that isn't gonna happen, so might as well settle for the candidate that promises to stay off my lawn and will let me EAT WEED.

>I am not allowed have my own plutonium research lab in my basement
"Not allowed" by who? If it's not God, it's irrelevant.

I'm an anarchist.

Seriously, give me ONE arguable reason why I am wrong in my ideology.

You're not insofar as you're actually an anarchist.

Because property rights matter.

>being a self proclaimed pacifist who went to college for philosophy and studies dirt samples for a living

Ideologies are dumb and opress you by not letting you outside of the frame of the ideas. If you are unable to process new information and see beyond your ideological world view... (etc etc)

>I'm an anarchist.
>Seriously, give me ONE arguable reason why I am wrong in my ideology.

Why did anachists blow up cafes in paris at the end of the 19th century?

Answers on a postcard please to

edgy retard
No.1 No idea
About what he claims as his political ideology.

Quads of truth right there

wew arguments
Are you enjoying sucking cock senpai?

> (You)
>>I am not allowed have my own plutonium research lab in my basement
>"Not allowed" by who? If it's not God, it's irrelevant.


Not allowed buy plutonium.

Not fair waaaaah!

Hey the quads are the one smart thing you've said so far in this thread!

>I'll just sit on my 10 acre plot
>Who cares if millions of dindus, muzzies, mexicans etc flood around
>I'm sure they'll respect the NAP, if not, I can take them all on solo YEE-HAW

It's a stupid idea. Nationalism is a form of collectivism. Nationalism > Libertarianism. The reason that whites are in decline is partially due to excessive atomization via liberal philosophy.

You're born indebted to your parents, family, community, etc. You're a socialist before your personality even develops, you have suckled at the teat of collectivism before you've even learned to walk. It's encoded into you at the most basic level. Stop playing king of the castle and join the real world.

Anarchism necessitates strong property rights senpai.
Check it.

>thinking anyone takes a self proclaimed pacifist who went to college for philosophy seriously

>What are IDs
That was the only post i've made ITT.

You have trouble with English senpai? I thought you'd abandoned Gaelic long ago.

wew lad
too many arguments
how will I ever recover

If I was smart enough to set up a nuke reactor in my basement, you can be certain as fuck I'd be busy tracking down some plutonium.

>Crusdader post.

this , ideology is for lazy thinkers....pick a flavor and cease critical thought

>I forgot to check the dirt!

how can i even compete

Being able to entertain ideas =/= needing to accept ideas~

lel

There will be no individual liberty for you, when other people start killing and enslaving your tribe (See muslims rapping child sex ring in England)

So you have to act also on a collective level

Best attitude is, to stay in the middle of both
Collective / Individual

Also depending on the situation
Collective action or individual, have their time

...

>You're a socialist before your personality even develops

Such shit.

Families are not socialist constructs.

Begin again.

OKAY HERE IT IS GUYS
I DONT WANT TO SEE "THERE ARENT LIBERTARIANS X X X Y Y Y"
L50% OF Sup Forums AT LEAST ARE LIBERTARIAN IN PRINCIPLE ALONE.
JUST BECAUSE THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY DOES NOT EVEN FOLLOW CLASSIC LIBERALISM DOES NOT MEAN LIBERTARIANISM HAS CHANGED
THERE ARE LIBERTARIANS ON Sup Forums
IGNORE THE STORMWEENIES AND ENJOY THE SAT-T-T-TIRE

>how can i even compete

I stopped following this idea because I came to this realisation:

People are fucking stupid, mindless, animals. Pure libertarianism = (((big business owners))) exercising unlimited power over the population, eventually establishing absolute monopolies which they will use to control us all.

Nationalism is the only way. A national economy is the only way people can prosper and be free.

Liberalis will die my man, it always does. Might as well become a libertarian

>that pose
"The delegates, Saracen."

Off-topic but why did men ever start smoking cigarettes? Not even Mussolini himself can make them look masculine.

>stupid
The correct word is "naive"/"blue-pilled", etc.

Collectivists are inhuman freaks and are better off six feet under.

>THERE ARE LIBERTARIANS ON Sup Forums

There are marxists on pol

So what?

How does liberarianism deal with sociopathy?

Oh I know, just making an argument for the sake of why the fuck not.

Nations are made up of those dumb people. And are run by those dumb rich assholes.

I mean on the bright side, if/when we colonize mars, I bet you it's the libertarians who are going to be leading at least some of the initial charge.

Property rights don't exist.

Libertarianism is fine if it only applied to white men. A small limited government that doesn't take care of the weak piles of shit but at the same times keeps shitskins, likes, and women in check is how it should be. Socialism is for fucking faggot babies.

Assumes that everybody is a sociopath.

Please never leave your basement.

>Why have we abandoned this idea?
because people are easily manipulated by (((them)))

Don't mind me taking all your shit, dismembering you, and raping your cousin then~

An-Cap here, even though to me you're a hypocrite for not following your principles to their moral conclusions I haven't really got enough company to start shunning those closest to me.

having a highly competitive market with no possibility for economic migration by non incentivized unskilled workers kills the statist.

>Off-topic but why did men ever start smoking cigarettes?

Because it has direct mood enhancing effects are counters airborne bacteria

If lolbergtarianism is great how come no countries practice it?

You only need one for the whole concept to collapse.

>Why have we abandoned this idea?
Because humans are flawed and we should act in the best interest of our societies, for efficiency and health's sake.

Every cog in the machine of a society is important.

What if a company wants to bulldoze your home to make room for a car park? Can they do that?

Find me a country that practices anything but a variation on dictatorship.

cigars & pipes do that as well and they don't look like queer-sticks.

Neither are nations strictly speaking. A nation is a naturally occurring body of interconnected families. Left to their own devices without revolutionary technologies, humans will develop sedentary nations or migratory nations.

The family of course, is a "construct" insofar as cultures impact things as basic as families. There are alternative ( but worse ) styles/family structures that have been documented throughout history. There are also animal family structures worth investigating, given that the underlying justification for family to begin with is biological instinct and chemical reaction.

>cigars & pipes do that as well and they don't look like queer-sticks.

One of the great advantages of all three is they keep insects away.

As regards your latent same sex fetish. I have no interest.

SHUT THE FUCK UP VIRGIN!!!

Libertarians believe in open borders. It's a dead ideology.

It was proven wrong based on California. Open borders = shit hole society, where the voting demographics eventually vote out any libertarians.

It's a suicidal ideology.

Find me a functioning libertarian state.

>Neither are nations strictly speaking. A nation is a naturally occurring body of interconnected families. Left to their own devices without revolutionary technologies, humans will develop sedentary nations or migratory nations.

No what you are describing is a clan or tribal structure. Nothing to do with the notion of a nation.

Open borders work. If you have absolutely NO social safety net.

Open borders with no welfare state is perfectly fine.
If bads come they're gonna die off, and if goods come they'll be helpful. No losing.

It's your home kid

>Find me a country that practices anything but a variation on dictatorship.

Yep, all countries are the same.

Libertarians are in the most denial of all, you make every conversation a pain in the ass, and your candidates are always bonkers

Not an argument

How is this relevant? This is 'trump is hitler'-tier garbage.

Private property rights, yes.

This is now a Libertarian thread.

i know this feeling, but were all collectively screwed and certain shit had to stop before we can keep pushing for shit.
in addition fuck gary johnson, hes a democuck wearing libertarian colors.

Don'tTreadOnMe'er here. Also too busy drinking in the tears of my bluepilled friends and associates. Couldnt vote for Johnson this time around cause he took a shit on the Libertarian platform by saying he would force a Jewish bakery to make a Nazi themed cake.

>Ancap
You have this coming

Wrong. California's averages wages are 5 times higher than Mexico.

They would come regardless of welfare.

Libertarians believe in open borders. It is a suicidal ideology.

>Open borders work. If you have absolutely NO social safety net.

What about collecting the bodies from the streets?

I still consider my self a libertarian, but I am in an alliance with the alt right for now. You can't have a free society with a population that doesnt want it (muslims and Hispanics), so we need to work on saving western civilization short term before we work cutting down the size of government. Nationalism is better than globalism.

Ancap here too. Didn't vote. The future is here nigger lover

Unfortunately the current libertarian party is a joke. Gary Johnson came off as a total SJW. I feel like his attitude should be more..."fuck off", than open borders immigration and weed man. Weed bro. Weed. Again, not my buisness, but priorities.

The libertarians seem to have embraced a world view rather than one for America. How does open borders apply to American Liberty?

You should not be free to be a degenerate and to contribute to the self-destruction of your own society. You need active mechanisms to prevent such a thing.

People will still move if there are differences in wages, which there are. Compare Mexico and California.

Thanks for admitting that libertarian believe in open borders. You don't need to say anything else, you've answered OPs question on why it's a dead ideology.

OP here, I'm libertarian but I support very tight immigration control.

user heres got a point.

Gotta take out the trash before libertarian ideas can actually work

no step on snek

The police/army of the minarchist state can do that.

Collectivism depends on Individualism
Individualism depends on Collectivism

You cant cut off one wing
That would lead you to fall off the sky

>How is this relevant? This is 'trump is hitler'-tier garbage.

Thank you for proving you know almost nothing about anarchism.

Go learn about propaganda of the deed.

Come back when you actually know what the word anarchist means and the history of anarchism.

Yeah - they can move here. If they work, they help. If they don't work, then they starve or liberals get poorer spending their own money sustaining them.
So either they help out or they make liberals - and only liberals - suffer. There's no losing.