These days comics don't sell, doesn't matter if it's SJW or not

I know the common narrative here is that a lot of modern comics don't sell because they have SJW politics in it that turn off readers.

But a strict look at the numbers doesn't confirm that hypothesis. There are several non-SJW comics that are really good by anyone's standard, and they're performing just as badly as the SJW comics.

For example:
- Astonishing X-Men (2017) is as good of an X-Men run can be, comparable to the height of Claremont X-Men era. Nobody cares and it sells just like the mediocre to terrible X-Men Gold, whose issue #1 is drawn by some Indonesian Jihadist

- Current run of Thanos and Blackbolt are legitimately good by anyone's standard. They're both doing sub 20k.

- Gwenpool other than being genderbent Deadpool ripoff has no SJW messages in it. It is consistently shilled even in Sup Forums by the waifufags and weebos drawn to Gurihiru's art. A cute white NEET girl with no SJW message in the writing sell just as bad as Kamala's book, a jihad manual and Islam apologist book.

Conclusion: SJW or not it didn't matter. SJW don't buy books and more importantly (You) who pretend to be ""real"" comic book fans also don't buy books

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Raina Telgemeier and Scholastic in general seem to be doing just fine.

Maybe big two should try being more affordable, especially marvel.

With these numbers Marvel's flood the shelves strategy kinda make sense. When you have a flagship title with good writer, good artist, put some effort and it sells bad, it makes sense to diversify.

It's like a garbage tier Chinese food joint has to start selling chicken wings, subs and pizza to diversify and broaden the base.

first fuck of with your reddit spacing
>Gwenpool
that's a good example how even new characters who are loved will never sell cause they don't pander to old comic book fans who actualy spend money in comics

>Maybe big two should try being more affordable, especially marvel.

How is it possible to pay a team of writer, pencilers, and inkers, pay for printing and distribution then sell 15,000 copies of $3.99 floppies a month, maintain a headquarter in Empire State Building, Manhattan NY and still makes money?

Everyone pretend that muh LCS is the health of the industry, but to compete with Netflix and vidya, comics had no choice but go with digital subscription and bypass the LCS physical floppies distribution. It's like muh local Blockbuster, some things need to go

>All Marvel Books
>The company who's reputation at this point is SJW pandering doesn't sell any books.

Really jiggles the old almonds.

The real fault is Diamond
The real fault is decompression
The real fault is piss poor marketing

comics are entertainment for poor people. when you make them 5 dollars each and only the last number of an arc of 6 matters, you are bound to sell less numbers.

On top of that ridiculous price, Marvel cannot beat reading it on the internet for the incredible price of fucking free. Make the comics cheaper, or watch the current trend go some more until the inevitable happens.

i wouldn't mind to pay for a digital subscription and wait for the trade but knowing how marvel works they probably will use my money to make more squirrel girl instead of the books im actualy reading

The SJWs have ruined the brand. Even the books that aren't bad off still have controversial creators (like Black Bolt).

It's become a complete shit on Marvel thing. Theres other variables involved as well.

>Really jiggles the old almonds.
DC ain't doing that great either. They legitimately put some twice or three times the amount of effort into a lot of their books and were selling barely a couple thousand units above Marvel's. That alone can be an example of SJW or not, the difference in sales is negligible. The industry and the floppy pull model is just dying.

Oh shut the fuck up with 'reddit spacing.' That post wouldn't have been any better if he posted it all as one block, you sensitive secret club faggot.

>Even the books that aren't bad off still have controversial creators (like Black Bolt).
>Just because the writer's last name is Ahmed is controversial
Now that's some top grade Islamophobia and judging a book by its cover writer's last name. Saladin Ahmed is a solid all around writer.

Your premise is flawed. The artwork alone in the new Astonishing X-Men is very millenial and has zero drawing interest. The art is inoffensive and doesn't have the same sex appeal that they used to use.

Your supporting examples are inhumans(Which is detested by the group you're trying to use as a prime example of your thesis which doesn't make sense.

You're under the delusion that any of your examples are 'non-sjw' when everything you posted is infected with their ideas, from editorial on downward.

None of those comics are meant directly for males and because of that and liberal ideology behind the creators being scared of their own shadow, they do this half in, half out inoffensive approach to comic creation that is milquetoast at best and just pointless at worst.

There isn't a single writer/artist combo that isn't a part of the problem, even Duggan. The last one was remender and he got run off by crazy muslim bitch.

the latest time comics sold well was the 90’s. people claim now they only sold well because of speculation on the collector market but I think it was because the titles were artist driven. They need to make something cool looking that people want to read

You're arguing its irrational to be afraid of people whose sole purpose is to conquer and kill everyone else, whose very existence is akin to a malignant disease in host of western society? Surely the many, many dead have proven that. I think you're trying to make an anti-racist argument and if he was shit talking arabs, you'd have an argument but islam is ideological cyanide.

>artist driven
90s capeshit looks like absolute trash

>The artwork alone in the new Astonishing X-Men is very millenial and has zero drawing interest
It is an order magnitude better than the rest. I don't know what you mean by millenial, like it is digitally colored? The days of top shelf artists Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane handrawn art with a dedicated inker is long gone. Even B grade artist these days can make more money drawing fetish porn on Patreon than working for 5 bucks a page trying $3.99 a floppy comic book at Marvel.

>None of those comics are meant directly for males
Okay how about this, remember at the height of 90s comic boom there is a whole section of "adult comics." Hustler has a comic magazine offshoot called Hustler Comix. Playboy has a comic. Threshold is just smut porn excuse to hand draw titties and Cavewoman is a thing. These are as "meant directly for males" as they can. They all also die out due to advent of internet porn and hentai.

false.

x-men is associated with bad writing as well as sjw. this will not go away any time soon. you're attributing lost sales in a time when there's still backlash.

>kamala's book, a jihad manual and apologist book

well now we know you're full of shit

Reasonable theory, you're not a faggot. However, the whole brand is poisoned at this point. The good Marvel books are relegated to the fridge and c list properties that you mentioned. People prefer to read about their boys like Captain America and Spider-Man first, then branch out to the c list. Marvel's tree trunk is rotted out, no one's climbing it for the outer branches. I know I'm not.

Plus, Marvel's ban on cheesecake will forever keep me out. They keep going after the manga audience and fuck up the very first rule of manga.

That’s your shit opinion shaped by revisionist propaganda. The 90’s comics sold and people enjoyed them they would sell again today

>directly for males

a portion of phantagraphix's audience are females.

Based Christbro. Clearly not trying to push an agenda.

I think it's more that semi-engaged readers are turning away from the hobby because of SJW stink ruining major brand storylines. Turbo normies who only watch Marvel movies and brag about how nerdy they are on Twatter will NEVER, EVER buy a floppy or sign up for a subscription service. Comic Book Guys and autists will always buy tons of comics regardless of their quality.

They're losing the people who come in and buy maybe 5 comics per month. The fans just don't care anymore.

They're also losing the kids because kids would rather watch Jewtube or play phone games all day than read a comic book. That trend can't be reversed ever.

So his blatant racism towards whites is cool? Has nothing to do with him being Muslim, he's a dick.

>90s capeshit looks like absolute trash
And yet, Liefeld and his imitators sold like hotcakes while most modern bestsellers are pulling 90s cancellation numbers. Really makes you think huh

You made an argument and it was flawed from conception. All marvel comics currently running are infected with SJW ideas because Editorial sets the mandate.

All of them. And your picture from the comic isn't the real example. Post the pictures involving Jean. You damn well know what I meant. None of the women are sexually attractive.

if this was the 90s, even reborn jean would look like a supermodel. Male interest = sales.

They even hate the idea of 'male gaze' which is the entire fucking point of a comic. You can't argue well all these 'non-sjw' when you don't even have a control point in your argument. You have nothing to base your argument on and that's half of the scientific process.

if everything is influenced by SJW's on some level, then how can you differentiate enough to show a path where comics could sell well again, in the vacuum and context of this argument? You can't, is my point.

I remember the more adult themed comics, but we're not getting into the weeds with your new examples. Stick with what you're talking about already with the new x-men comics. Find a page from any of the new x-men comics that you would call sexy.

9/11 was an inside job, you fucktard. shut the fuck up and move on with your life. islam isn't any more an ideological cyanide that any other religion. the biggest reason there is terrorism is because it's funded by the wahabist saudi royal family. which was installed by the u.s.

saddam hussein gained power with the help of the CIA

get a fucking grip

He isn't wrong, the creator of kamala's book is a muslim apologist. For fuck sake it's a muslim convert, a white bitch. Get the fuck out ackmed.

>well now we know you're full of shit
You're buying into a meme of "Kamala is one of the ok legacy character," qt brown girl and acceptable art in the ocean of garbage Marvel art. She's the least offensive and obnoxious for sure, but she's still a bad character and more importantly her book is chokefull of Islam apologism ala Ben Affleck, Reza Aslan and the like.

Page in pic related for instance, they didn't mention that the historical partition between India and Pakistan is due to the Muslim population keep chimping out and cannot take being a minority. That is historical whitewashing and Islam apologism

jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

now go fuck yourself.

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>you're buying in to

nope. you're just spouting off over the top bullshit. kamala is absolutely a stupid character. you're drinking the fucking koolaid if you think it's some kind of apologism when her hair isn't even covered. dance on a fucking beartrap you fucking bigot.

>Reddit & Memey image
>shilling for Islam
hmn really provokes the cerebellum

Considering the young generation doesn't buy comics so 90s kids with their perverted taste are still the largest paying group, you might be actually right. That doesn't change the fact these stories are trash in both art and story department.

If a Muslim praises Allah in front of you, what do you do, Christbro?

What are the lowest selling ongoings right now? What could you do to make them sell?

>shilling for islam

no, i think islam is stupid. i just don't fly off the handle claiming kamala (a stupid comic character that i will never read) is jihadist propaganda.

oh by the way kill yourself.

>Has nothing to do with him being Muslim, he's a dick.
Stop deflecting. Nobody is saying that blatant racism towards white people, like Gabby Rivera's or Coates' comics are okay. I don't know any of Saladin Ahmed's twitter antics, nor does the majority of comic readers. Only a very small subset of comic fans are engaged in twitter industry shitposting and daily trenchwar. He's might or might not a dick on twitter or his other social media, my point is that not that many people know that aspect of the industry. He's still a solid all around writer, certainly a tier above many of the hacks at Marvel, even the more senior writer like Bendis, Slott etc and his book doesn't sell. Soule is a solid writer and his non Star Wars books also don't sell. Christopher Hasting is a solid writer, most people even at Sup Forums like Dr.McNinja and Gwenpool and it got cancelled.

The numbers don't lie, it doesn't matter if you're solid writer, mediocre writer, or downright racist hack propagandist like Gabby Rivera. They're all selling sub 20k, which kinda proves my thesis.

>i just don't fly off the handle claiming kamala (a stupid comic character that i will never read) is jihadist propaganda.
It is a subtle subversion. Name a single bad Muslim character in the run. You can't. All Muslim are good guys who got prosecuted by muh racism in Jersey city.

Compare this to even some Black liberation fiction like Django Unchained. There is bad black people and there is good black people. There is evil white people and there is good white people.

Call the NSA and report that a possible terrorist issued a possible threat to me in Arabic

Congratulations. You’re a bitch.

>Reasonable theory, you're not a faggot.
Thanks user you're also not a faggot

>The good Marvel books are relegated to the fridge and c list properties that you mentioned
Maybe but my first example Astonishing X-Men is not C-list. It's the motherfuckin X-Men, and not a single shit legacy character in it like Laura wolverine or the time displaced kiddies. At first glance on a team roster, you can already tell that this is the main X-Men book compared to Gold, Blue, Red, Weapon X or Generation X. This one has Charles Xavier the OG who has been dead in 5 years, Logan, Psylocke, Gambit, Rogue, Mystique, Angel, and Bishop. All A+ listers with several movies, video game appearances, etc on their belt and the comic sell worse than X-Men gold, with Kitty Manvers as the leader and a first issue that is tainted in controversy.

>Congratulations. You’re a bitch.
Say you're in an airport and some brown kid screams ALLAHUAKBAR on top of his lung. 90% of people there would've freaked out and it's not wrong.

Maybe the poor kid is not a terrorist, he just got an acceptance email to an Ivy League school, or roll his waifu in Fate mobile gatcha games. Still justifiable to freak out in these day and age if someone scream ALLAHUAKBAR because of the negative connotation

>Astonishing X-Men (2017) is as good of an X-Men run can be, comparable to the height of Claremont X-Men era.
It's a fucking shitty comic. The fact the main X-Men books are written by Charles Soule, Cullen Bunn, Mark Guggenheim and Tom Taylor and that there are fucking four of them none of which have any real underlying concept to differentiate one from the other in terms of description is a good indicator of where the real problem of how that franchise has been bungled.

Companies massively need to change their distribution methods. Large anthology magazines on cheaper papers will never be accepted by western fans so they need to look more into subscription based online readers.

what an insane thread full of stupid people

Saladin Ahmed is a legitimate racist whose hatred of whites has caused him to engage in whataboutism regarding fucking ISIS. I don't care how "good" of a writer he is, I legitimately hope every book he's on fails same as if he was a neo-nazi.

>Astonishing X-Men (2017) is as good of an X-Men run can be,

Yeah and it came out after years of Marvel shitting on the mutans in favor of Inhumans so a lot of the fanbase was already alienated

>It's a fucking shitty comic.
It is as good as any X-Men book in the last 18 years since Fox yanked the movie rights from Marvel. Remember we had House of M, Schism, 1st run of Astonishing X-Men, X-Men vs. Avengers travesty, the shit conflict with Inhumans and Terrigen mist. X-Men hasn't been top tier since the turn of century

god this post depresses me
Nothing was bigger than fucking Xmen in the 90s besides Pokemon and South Park

>It is as good as any X-Men book in the last 18 years
That doesn't excuse it from being a fucking shitty comic, Mr. Shill

I don't buy floppies anymore because it's annoying to store them. I've got 4 short-boxes and a long-box. People try to sell comic book dividers for £2 for 4. That shit doesn't translate well when you've got over 100 series just sitting there. The quality of the single issue is also terrible, so you need to use an acid-free backboard and some bags to keep them in. At that point, you're storing them all and they all look the same and it's beyond annoying to take every single issue out just to read them and re-store them. They're also filled with ads even though they're so expensive.

Marvel can kill themselves though. They sell the first issue for double the price of a regular issue and then drop-off. It's obviously a tactic for the retards that buy #1 and drop-off immediately. It makes them more money and it fucks me over. Fuck them. Fuck them to hell. I don't even care about any of the SJW shit they do. I'm SJW. I have no issue with any of that. It's beyond dumb how they're trying to fuck me out of money when all of their shit is $1 more expensive than DC shit already.

>That doesn't excuse it from being a fucking shitty comic, Mr. Shill
Name 1 (one) good comic then. It seems like you think everything is bad these days, which means that you don't like comics to begin with. Plotwise writing and dialogue wise Astonishing X-Men is as good as any X-Men story at its heyday in the early 90s.

Ill be the first one to admit that the art quality isn't as good as the 90s X-Men, but no comic these days are. Compared to its contemporary ongoing issues, Astonishing X-Men art is in the highest tier

I disagree, only around 2012 2013 X-Men comics turned to shit. From AvX on, or a bit earlier, from Schism on.

Gillen's Uncanny X-Men, Remender's Uncanny X-Force (and earlier the Kyle Yost one), PAD's X-Factor, Carey's X-Men Legacy, were all very good books.
House of M had terrible consequences for mutants, but it wasnt a bad event in itself, and the books had a well defined focus and plot for years. Messiah Complex was one of the best XMen crossovers, and its sequels werent bad either.

The 2000s had the best XMen comics after the 80s. Everything went to shit with AvX, with Schism and Aaron's Wolverine and the X-Men being a sign of how shitty the XMen were going to become.

Also, I get really annoyed with TPB. They feel like a slightly better version of a single issue and it feels like the thing is tearing whenever I read it. DC Deluxe Edition feel pretty sturdy, even though there's glue binding.

Best case scenario is a DC Deluxe Edition in length, with some thread-binding. Omnibus are beyond retarded and uncomfortable to read. They're only made for the retards that want to keep a comic on their shelf without ever having to read it.

Man, I'm proud of you anons. Especially the comrade who mentioned the editorial mandate resulting in the overall lack of sexy art and aesthetics, even when the comic isn't being particularly sjwish.
For fuck's sake, I read build up to schism recently. Remember the early years of cyclops-led x-men? How Emma and Storm looked? How Psylocke looked in x-force?
Yeah, marvel is fucked -it shows in dc too, but less-. Even when the comic isn't a sjw-fest, the aesthetics that made comics worth reading are gone.
Too bad. Enjoy not having attracted enough of a new audience and having alienated a chunk of the old-timers.
Reboot marvel with a doom makes the marvel heroines his bitches title, then we'll talk.
Till then, kiss my dosh bye bye.

Marvel was selling very good before the tons of #1s and Diversity. Some readers abandoned Marvel and readership isn't so easy to get back.

It's not that they can repair the damage cause finally let Diversity die and it was just a part of Diversity

It isn't SJW politics which is causing low sales, it's SHIT stories and art. No one is buying because quality is non existent.

The shitty politics come into play when anyone DARES mention comics as being shit quality, and everyone online dogpiles on him calling him racist or sexist.

This is the same tactic the studios used for the ghostbusters reboot.

>Oh you don't like our garbage tier movie? Well you're a SEXIST.

SJWs happen to use this tactic to pass off their lousy piece of shit writing.

AND it's creators who get online to literally destroy people they don't agree with.

I really don't understand why all the anti-comicsgate crowd don't understand this. Seems pretty obvious, but then you see pictures of them and you realize these people are literal crybaby turds.

Fuck you and fuck off.

>Inconsequential side stories were all good books
I haven't read all the books you mentioned but yeah I had fond memories of the mid 2000s X-Force so I'll give you that. I'm saying though is that all mainline X-Men and major event weren't that great.

X-Force and the rest of the books you mentioned and I haven't read is kind of a side story. Josh Whedon's run of mid 2000s Astonishing X-Men were their main book that defines the era, where everything important in X-Men happens and that run was a downhill ski Olympics straight to the ditch culminating in Schism and AvX atrocity.

>It isn't SJW politics which is causing low sales, it's SHIT stories and art. No one is buying because quality is non existent.
OP here, serious question then how come the comics I mentioned also sells sub 20k? On face value Gwenpool had good writer, good story and good art, it was only poisoned by Heather Antos' twitter shenanigans that a sliver of comic fans know about.

Astonishing X-Men again has none of that. Solid writer, solid art (by modern standard), plot that matters starring a fan beloved character who's been dead in 5 years, Charles and it still sell like shit, or it didn't get a lift above the mediocrity that is X-Men Gold. That is kinda the cornerstone of my thesis. Spiderman and Captain America gonna sell based on name recognition regardless of how bad things are. Legitimately good runs by anyone's standard got buried and sell sub 20k. SJWs don't buy the comics that they say they like and neither does comic afficionados who pretend to be old school comic lover.

>Gwenpool had good writer, good story and good art
Children don't have the money to buy comics.

Uncanny XMen is generally an underwhelming book. Gillen's run with the X-tinction team is the first run of Uncanny Id call great since Claremont.

If you search for 90s recommendations, most people will tell you Age of Apocalypse, PAD's X-Factor, and like the first 20 issues of Generation X. Perhaps Kelly Deadpool if they consider it an X-Book.

Main books are rarely good. The only very good books we have had since AvX are Spurrier's X-Men Legacy and (this more debatable) Bunn's Magneto.

It's true the main books werent very good after the Morrison and Whedon run.

>after the Morrison and Whedon run
This is where we differ. I think Whedon's X-Men was hot trash all the way from the beginning. It is the start of Cylops' character assassination and everything is downhill from there.

I hated it at first, because Whedon didnt notice-realize Ernst is fucking Cassandra Nova. And the resurrection of Colossus was done in a retarded way.
But I think he wrote the characters well, and Danger, Abigail Brand and Kavita Rao were good additions to the xmen cast.

The comics still do not recover from the crisis of the 90s, sales are still in a frozen state where what always stands out are events, # 1 or titles of the most popular character (2000-2005 Superman, 2006-2011 Green Lantern, 2012 -Current batman) Basically a state where quality is normal and literally after new 52 was generated in the market a revaluation by # 1.

bunn uncanny was good?

yes, but it was interrupted with events and the terrigen mist thing
he did nothing at all with that Hellfire Club that had Monet and Black Tom

>Solid writer
Soule?
>Solid art
Mike Deodato

What in the fuck are you smoking?

Yeah Soule's a good writer. Cannot vouch for his early DC stuff, but all of his stuff at the moment, Star Wars Poe Dameron, ongoing X-Men, and ongoing Darth Vader was all solid. People improve over time.

>Solid art
The artist changes every issue, some weaker than others. However even the weaker artist gave their A game and put decent effort into the run.

most people under their mid 20s don't like to pay money for stuff. not even movies. they'll just watch youtube videos they don't have to pay for. people past their mid 20s paying for physical printed works are most of the ones that would keep comics financially alive. thr only way to get large numbers of people younger than their mid 20s interested in comics is to put narrated/voice acted videos of comic book panels on youtube, facebook, or a tv on demand service for free or as part of their general cable, streaming, and/or internet package available at the same place as conventional tv shows and movies.

fuck you Gwenpool is great kill yourself little D&C knob gobbling faggot

Why does she look like she has her lips wrapped around an invisible cock?

>fuck you Gwenpool is great kill yourself little D&C knob gobbling faggot
That is what I said. Gwenpool is great but it doesn't sell for shit, losing to Kamala. Comic book fans can't tell a good run from a shit run.

>Name a single bad Muslim character in the run
Kamran

comics are too expensive for what they provide

>Soule's hacky writing
>paired with different mediocre-to-bad artist that changes up EVERY FUCKING ISSUE
>"comparable to the height of Claremont X-Men era"
You're not even trying with this bait, senpai.

How did Whedon assassinate Cyclops’ character? Most people say that’s the most endearing iteration of him.

He retconned the existing backstory for Scott where it's canon he can't control his optic blast powers because of brain damage, to it being due to Scott being a pussy who's lack of control over his power is 100% psychological due to him being a loser.

He also fucking kept the Emma/Scott relationship when he could have killed it and pushed Scott as being a bad ass/new Wolverine even as he explicitly wrote a story where Logan got turned into a worthless sissy boy coward.

The optic blast thing in particular pissed so many people off, that Whedon was forced to rewrite the ending of his run to have Scott's power go back to being uncontrollable and everything Whedon established wholesale ignored by all future writers.

Holy shit that page is offensive.

most people liked Whedon's run, apart from the delays, and most people liked Scott and Emma then.
the moment for breaking them up should have been Avengers vs X-Men, as Gillen wanted to do.
They pretty much were right for the period after M-Day with only 200 mutants in the planet, but once that crisis was over and Scott wasnt the leader of that small group of mutants anymore, they (that couple) lost the reason to be.
The terrible Bendis run can only be understood as a midlife crisis. Scott can't find his place in the world anymore, everything feels like less than what he had before once you aren't any longer the king of mutantkind, as he was in Utopia.

Whenever Scott gets resurrected, he will still have that problem. Any job he gets will feel like less (less power, less important), than what he had in Utopia with almost all mutants being under his rule.

i fucking hate black bolt and his comics. hes such a boring asshole. "oh i cant speak because my voice will shatter the universe". this fucking edgelord bullshit pisses me off. superior inumans my ass

i dont know why it wasnt selling. there wasnt much i was interested in besides that at the time

i think its all about covers. none of the comics now catch my eye. that marvel cover of wolverine being crucified on a x in the middle of a storm is iconic. i love x-23 but none of her covers are that interesting to look at. give me a cover of her gutting somebody or her and honey badger having a tea party. something awesome or funny

THEN WHY IS NOVA CANCELLED
WHY DID VISION SELL LIKE SHIT

they should just accept that theyll never sell as well as they used to

bullshit, cheesecake doesnt sell in the days of internet porn. id rather have interesting plots and good writing and xmen red is decently mediocre at that. taylor is consistently mediocre. he gets characters voices down easy put interesting writing is beyond him

astonishing is just retreading old shit thats been done dozens of times already, same with red

danger in all new x factor was a god send. i hope marvel brings back xfactor again with pad

i dont know man, ive been disappointed in his writing before, maybe ill give astonshing a try

emma/scott was perfect so fuck off.

no one gives a shit about whether his optic blasts are brain damage or not

They should have made him and emma the king and queen of mutants. that would have been dope

>look, political aren't the only thing killing comics!
That doesn't mean it's good.

>Conclusion: SJW or not it didn't matter. SJW don't buy books and more importantly (You) who pretend to be ""real"" comic book fans also don't buy books


Correct. I myself try, but i don't get out to the LCS regularly.

To survive comics need to shift to trades ( longer more complete stories coming out less frequently) and digital. Digital is happening, but I feel that the method of digital needs to change more although i'm not exactly sure how. .


Beyond that, this is largely just a culture war issue for the shut-ins. it's mostly about ego and a sense of ownership. You're not gonna talk em out of that.

astonishing sucks balls, what the fuck are you talking about? same with your other examples

astonishing is written by peanut butter man, there is no good will for that shitstain

It's literally written by a dude who shat on mutants in favor of inhumemes

So much this

And go fuck yourself

BECAUSE THEY WERE SHIT COMICS

Gwenpool is basically a derivative of Gwen Stacy and Deadpool for fuck sake. Do you think I'm interested in such cancerous idea?

Marvel needs a reboot. When their cinematic universe is ten times better than 616

Do you realize islam isn't much worse than Christianity, right?