Voltron

The ride still continues, my men and women

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Is season 5 going to be a "real" season, or just a half-season like 3 and 4?

>Season 5
Season 2 was a year ago, how the fuck are they already up to season 5?

What would have been season 3 got split in half, so we ended up with season 3 being only 7 episodes and season 4 being 6 (or was it the other way around?).

Half season.

That's pretty sad. Can't say I like the show but after the shit-show that was Korra you guys deserve a break from this kinda shit.

The show varies a lot in quality at least it doesn't have the forced dumb romance drama Korra had. I still find it enjoyable and am genuinely looking forward to the new season.

What's even more bizarre is that 3 and 4 were released only about two months apart. No idea what the fuck their motivation was behind that release strategy.

The plot has stalled a lot.

And in general I feel like writers just can't make Voltron make sense. I mean, they are crearly not content with "Giant monster beats lions so they turn into a giant robot and kill the monster" but they haven't figure out what to replace it with.

What’s the one thing you want to happen this season?

Fuck whoever is making that decision

It really looks like Keith isn't getting back into a lion.

I actually really like the shorter, more frequent seasons-- marathoning it when it comes out takes about as long as watching a movie, rather than like 5 hours, and fewer details get lost in the overwhelming shuffle. Though I agree that releasing 3 and "4" only two months apart seemed dumb.

I want them to go back to earth and learn more about the garrison. It's what I've wanted every season.

Why is she angry, Sup Forums?

Pidge is just like that sometimes

That's a very cute Keith.

She probably isn't getting as much of her brother's dick as she wanted by now.

Hunk to get some plot

>under rim glasses

whoa very weeb

At this point any actual happening will do.

Lotor's generals are back

What do you mean, he was piloting Black at the end of the trailer.

He’s very pretty.

Is this muh Sendak chilling out in the background?

If you mean pic related, it was Lance.

Lance screams a lot in this one.

Is fandom already hyped over White Lion possible appearance?

This.

Plot, and Garrison flashbacks. Keith getting hit with a rock. Also obligatory mall episode.

>but they haven't figure out what to replace it with.
The writing for the show is long finished, so it would be more that they've fucked up conveying what they want to get across.

Seems pretty clear to me they're going the gundam route with space politics

I'll be disappointed if they lean into muh politics and muh space trade routes too much, because those are by far the most boring parts of the show. VLD pulls off the lighthearted and wacky episodes way better in comparison, even stuff like Hole in the Sky with the alternate dimension shenanigans and homages are really fun. As soon as the show starts taking itself too seriously it drops off a cliff into snoozeville.

Basically, it's we either get half seasons earlier or a longer season later.

The show kinda lost any sense of tension or ugency when they blew their "We'll get rid of Zarkon for good!" wad early on then realized they needed to completely invalidate that season finale in order to continue the plot

Taking him out of the picture temporarily was so they could bring his failson Lotor in from exile, it was obvious they weren't going to kill Zarkon off that early. Though I wouldn't be surprised if people really thought the Big Bad was going to get chumped in two seasons, this fandom is kind of slow.

Keith coming back.

so pic related + OP are Keith finding the real Shiro, right?

She saw all the porn you guys are making of her.

>Taking him out of the picture temporarily
Was a total side effect of the actual plan: stranding the main fleet in uncharted space with no way back

But oops, we need Lotor to go to daddy's ship so nevermind that

>S5 trailer comes out
>Keith is still with BoM
How much longer must I suffer?

You misunderstand me, I was talking about from the writer's perspective, not in universe. Zarkon hates Lotor which is why he exiled him to the ass-end of the universe, so Zarkon being out of commission allows Lotor to enter the plot and set up future Galra vs. Galra conflict. It also helps highlight the relationship between Zarkon and Haggar, so far in the story Haggar has been the perfect right hand but Zarkon dunks on her hard just for bringing in Lotor to so the empire can still have a figurehead. IIRC there's little if any sign of conflict between them before that moment.

Ew Ladnok is there.

Or another Shiro clone, or a whole bunch of them in pods. It looks like the type of ship that "Shiro" "escaped" from in S3.

Keith's gotta resolve his mysterious past plotline before he returns to the team, maybe this season he will discover the genetic experimentation facility where he and Lotor were born and where Shiro Classic is being held

I don't think original Shiro is being held captive by the Galra. It was actually brought up in the show - why would Black transport Shiro right into Galra hands? It's one of the hints that points at S3/S4 Shiro being a clone.

If Black transported Shiro anywhere, it was either to keep him safe or because he was needed somewhere else. Unless you mean original Shiro is the one we saw in the opening of the show on Kerberos, and S1/S2 Shiro was a clone as well, but I don't believe in that, and there are signs that point to S1/S2 Shiro being the real Shiro.

>Unless you mean original Shiro is the one we saw in the opening of the show on Kerberos, and S1/S2 Shiro was a clone as well,
I do, early Shiro's "amnesia" and memory resurgences were far too suspicious. Especially the first one, as it was linked to his Galra arm activating painfully.

Because Lotor.

>The Journey was Project Kuron phase 2
>"Shiro" being "freed" and landing on earth was phase 1
Reminder that the BoM are either compromised or have been found out and were being fed information.

Nah. In S1, when Shiro and Allura are discovered by the Galra on Zarkon's ship, they call Shiro "fugitive prisoner 117-9875", meaning he was captured and held prisoner by the Galra but escaped. Meanwhile, S3 Shiro is called "subject Y0XT39", which points to him being a clone/an experiment and not a prisoner like real Shiro.

Also, if S1/S2 Shiro was a clone, that would mean we never actually got to know the real Shiro, and I don't think they would pull something like that. Joaquim brought this up as a possibility in an interview but he was obviously trolling to confuse the fanbase.

Did he work on Young Justice?

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Maybe the Galra prisons keep a different numbering system than Haggar and the Druids use for their experiments

Stage One was when they created the clone, they literally show it in The Journey. Stage Two was testing the clone to see if it can be used in the operation and Stage Three was letting him "escape".

That implies that the Galra holding Shiro would have been in on Project Kuron, but if that were the case they would have released him themselves and the Blade wouldn't have had to be involved. It's obvious that Zarkon himself is unaware of Project Kuron, which means it's being carried out secretly by another faction within the empire.
So yes, to the Galra empire at large the first escaped Shiro would have been considered a fugitive, because they are not privy to the project or why he was released. The Shiro in The Journey was released by whoever are carrying out the project directly. So from that angle that is no contradiction.

>I'm Shiro android, copy of Shiro.

I think these memories might belong to the original Shiro and not the clone because of pic related, wouldn't a clone be formed in the goop itself? And he wouldn't already be fully dressed, so this seems like original Shiro here.
Then again the memories are presented as disjointed and confusing on purpose, so it could be a mix.

So does this mean Keith and Lotor are related?

Maybe they put Shiro to 'bed' to download the previous memories much like Dean and Hank?

>I don't think original Shiro is being held captive by the Galra. It was actually brought up in the show - why would Black transport Shiro right into Galra hands?
I want to think Black transported him to Pollux.

they could be grown in the same facility without sharing any genetics. it just seems like if you're going to be making halfbreed abominations and clones, why not do it all in one place

Excuse me but Keith is a genetic miracle.

>That implies that the Galra holding Shiro would have been in on Project Kuron, but if that were the case they would have released him themselves and the Blade wouldn't have had to be involved.

What? The Blade had to be involved because that was the real Shiro, and the Galra had no intention of letting him escape. Meanwhile, Shiro's escape in S3 was obviously staged because he was a clone.

There were clear differences between his escape as shown in S2 when Ulaz helped him, and his "escape" in S3. The first time, he was strapped to the operating table and Ulaz and to attack the other Galra and free Shiro. The second time, he isn't bound to the table and nobody is guarding him. There is also no alarm announcing his escape like there was the first time.

The differences are supposed to make you feel like something is "off" about Shiro's second escape, like it was too easy and convenient. The first one was real.

He sure is.

*Ulaz had to attack the other Galra

>What?
I'm talking about from the assumption that the S1 Shiro is a clone, him being considered a "fugitive" and being released by the BoM would still make sense, because Project Kuron is a secret even within the empire. They wouldn't have been in on it, and would have thought it was the real Shiro as well. You were saying that one being a fugitive and one a subject was proof they weren't both clones, I'm pointing out that's not necessarily true.

>The differences are supposed to make you feel like something is "off" about Shiro's second escape, like it was too easy and convenient. The first one was real.
I agree that this is the impression they are expressing to the viewer, but instead of being sincere I think it's a misdirection. The current Shiro being a clone is obvious, the twist is that the earlier one was as well.

Btw I'm not even all-in on the "Shiro was always a clone" theory, I just think it's interesting and the show gives enough hints that it can be argued either way. It's what makes the clone thing one of the more interesting subplots in the show.

>The current Shiro being a clone is obvious, the twist is that the earlier one was as well.

You'd be surprised how many people in the fandom deny the clone theory, especially Shiro stans, so clearly it's not that obvious to everyone. And this is still a kids show with pretty straightforward writing. They were trying to hammer it in that something was weird about Shiro's escape and Shiro himself as well, it's not any more complicated than that. And like I said before, the "Shiro was always a clone theory" would mean we never actually got to meet the real Shiro or know what he's like, they're not gonna pull that with one of the main characters. Maybe in a show for adults it could have happened, but not a kids show.

Plus they wouldn't suggest it as a possiblity in an interview if that was what was really going on. They were obviously trolling and trying to misdirect the fanbase because they know the fans already figured out the S3/S4 Shiro is a clone.

I personally hate the "It was never the real Shiro to begin with" theory. Things get really convoluted when it's more than two of the same running around.

No filler like season 4.
If we get filler, it's 2 episodes max.

>Plus they wouldn't suggest it as a possiblity in an interview if that was what was really going on.
They suggest basically every possibility in that snipped and then say they tried to make the scenes as ambiguous as possible, so trying to argue it along those lines is worthless. It's weird to cherrypick the last line and point out that one as misdirection and not the rest of it.
And since the clones obviously share memories we DO know what the real Shiro is like; the clones act just as he would, that's what makes them effective infiltrators.

i want the team to find original Shiro who is in awe of their piloting and combat capabilities , but is unable to take up a leading role himself because captivity and isolation have utterly broken his will

>You'd be surprised how many people in the fandom deny the clone theory
I wouldn't, because the fandom is full of total morons

There are only two Shiros now, the first clone was teleported back in time to become Keith's biological father.

>And since the clones obviously share memories we DO know what the real Shiro is like; the clones act just as he would, that's what makes them effective infiltrators.

Except S3/S4 Shiro acts differently than S1/S2 Shiro. He's more callous and passive-aggressive, smiles less, and makes bad decisions that endanger the team several times. He even talks differently, and when someone asked Josh Keaton about it on Let's Voltron, he said all of his acting choices are on purpose - see how fake Shiro in the BoM episode in S2 also sounded different, for example. There are times in S4 when Shiro sounds like he's reading out of a script, and Josh is too good of a voice actor to phone it in like that, so it's clearly supposed to signify something.

More Kuron development. Or at least foreshadowing

Pic related is a from a poll we did during season 3 or 4. In case anyone is mixing up the possibilties

Even if they're both clones they still would have had different individual experiences. Kuron experienced The Journey and has all the trauma from that experience + almost dying at the end of that episode plus lingering confusion of why he ended up in Galra "captivity" again in the first place. Not to mention the conflict with Keith and his separation from the team.
That said it's clearly ambiguous on purpose, which wouldn't work at all if those alternate interpretations had no grounding.

Beach episode damn. I have been waiting for years.

>There are times in S4 when Shiro sounds like he's reading out of a script,
you mean like in The Voltron Show?

Clone theory is shit and I can't wait until it's clear that that's not what it is so I can stop hearing about it and people can stop treating Shiro like he's a different character.

>First Episode Date: June 10th, 2016
Christ it feels like so much longer

Are you one of those people who hates it because it "invalidates" all the moments Shiro's had with the crew?

You're on the path of getting BTFO harder than the anons who insisted Keith wasn't part Galra, accept the truth before it's too late.

>What is Commader Sendak's favourite part of a joke? The punch line!Warning!!! This book may cause explosive giggles!This awesome book is full of hilarious intergalactic jokes, knock-knocks, riddles, tongue twisters and more to keep any Voltron fan entertained for hours.

You're putting in way too much faith in the writers if you think it's as complex as multiple clones having different personalities because of varying experiences. They made him act different in S4 to show that something is weird about him, just like how they contrasted his escape from the Galra in S3 with his original escape and made it very similar with some key differences to show that there was something off and too convenient about it. It isn't any more complicated than that. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yeah, actually. There are times outside of that episode where Shiro sounds the same as during one of their shows.

I'd argue that people with different experiences behaving differently isn't complex at all and requires little to no faith. Like I said though I just think it's an interesting theory that has a surprising amount of legs even if I don't particularly think the plot is going that way, it just means they actually did a good job with the ambiguity aspect.

On a related note, do we even really know WHO is running Project Kuron in the first place? Zarkon has no clue and Haggar isn't the type to do something like that behind his back. That means either Lotor or a unidentified third faction.

>wah wah you just hate Shiro because he has flaws and isn't perfect you want him to be
>he acts differently because of his PTSD and because the Galra messed with him, he's not a clone!!!
>if you believe in the clone theory you're a bad Shiro fan who doesn't want him to be a fleshed out character who makes mistakes

I cannot wait to see the tumblr/twitter Shiro stans get BTFO.

When's that coming out?

Not that user, and I know he's going to be a clone, can't deny it, but yeah, that's one of the reasons I hate it too. I wouldn't call it invalidating exactly but the team went through some big stuff in s3/4 and it's shitty as hell that the real Shiro didn't live them. Also I dislike clone plots in general, because it's a bunch of "I'm not real!" drama that gets old fast, and in this series it's worse I think. Voltron already has a lot going on - SHIRO already has a lot going on, he has things about his past to solve. Does he really need a clone on top of that?

I love the show but we all know pacing isn't its strength, adding more shit on top of that doesn't help. This is also why I don't want kallura to happen any more. I know it's a classic, but we've reached half the series and they got nothing so far - Keith has TONS of shit to solve, adding romance to that would be rushed and dumb, just korrasami 2.0.

>This awesome book is full of hilarious intergalactic jokes

How do we know Zarkon has no clue? The operation probably started before the S2 finale, when Zarkon was still around. And Haggar said Shiro could have been their "ultimate weapon" (or something like that), so I could easily see her being the one behind it.

Has anyone pointed out before that's probably why they took Shiro's arm? So they could have a supply of his DNA?

Forgot to add: I don't think he's acting that different in s4. He clashed with Keith, and the situation was deathly. It brought the worse out of him, he also just came from almost dying out of oxygen and drinking his own piss. I like Shiro making mistakes.

Him acting different wouldn't make sense anyway. the clone think he's real Shiro. Everything the clone does is still in-character for Shiro.

In 75 days, it says. There are also some activity/puzzle books and stickers books for kids. They're cute for your nephews/nieces.

Shiro being a clone is literally fucking stupid and makes no sense. He doesn't act different you just want to think he does.

Shiro having clones would serve zero purpose, and I can't believe people haven't picked up on the crew making fun of the idea like they do sometimes.

I'm sick of not being able to have regular fine Shiro scenes without some idiot going EW CLONE I WANT MUH REAL SHIRO.

That the briandead part of the fanbase buys into this theory too should be a clue enough to you.

Shiro being/being replaced by a clone has been hinted heavily from the start, anons already pointed out how his escapes from Galra captivity was different, and they spell out how his new fake arm can directly insert memories.

Regardless of how it turns out, I like how it's been presented so far. It's just right on the ambiguity, and encourages discussion with valid arguments, without any direction being really obvious at this point.

Or if its filler, mix it in with some actual plot like Space Mall did.

Something is wrong with Shiro for sure, but it's not that he is a secretly evil clone which we have seen zero evidence of.

I don’t usually come to Voltron threads, but I’m still confused if Voltron is supposed to be some legendary ancient force that helped save the universe for countless generations before Allura’s time, or if it’s something Allura’s father helped found just 1 generation before her and there was a buck rogers esque time skip where it was for all intents and purposes on ice for a long tome, so it’s now only technically thousands of years old but in reality was only operational for like a couple decades. Like is it me, ir was there a retcon at some point when they decided to actually get into the backstory?

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Two weeks until this guy loses his shit.