LIBERTARIAN HERE. Try and debate me

Hey guys, last thread was kind of pathetic, none of you were able to refute my position as a libertarian. Very sad.

Heres another thread so you can attempt to do so.

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To those of you not libertarian, What's it like being dumb?

what's up with that threatening snake. I thought you were about the non-agression principle?

I'm a Libertarian that voted for Trump.
Ask me anything.

Simple: Step on snek with proper boots.
Not all need to get libertard so not all groups would suffer the drawbacks of divison, inefficiency, corruption and incompetence.

You'd set yourself up for conquest like a woman with her legs open wide.

not an argument

Gary Johnson lost.
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debate this sage, faggot

Fucking Dave Smith again. Go back to the Part of The Problem "inner circle"

What stops a successful company like McDonald's from buying out all their competitors and running a monopoly?

can private citizens build a toll wall to keep out immigrants? if no, rekt

still no arguments huh?

Most libertarians are either 16 and hate school a lot, or are adults who are either pedophiles or dude drugs lmaos. Libertarianism would lead to the same hyper capitalist, globalised consumer society we have now, though admittedly a lot more fun.

Why won't you answer you cunt

Not an argument.

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This.

Not an argument. Come back with the truth and the facts next time, k bud?

When sucking a dick, do you guys also jerk the shaft? What about swallowing?

libertarianism must be fucking amazing if not even ONE argument has been put against it

Being a libertarian doesn't mean you defend yourself in fact in promote a stand your ground way of life
Muh monopoly: monopoly are created by gov barrier that that stop little guy from doing business
op is a cuck

cringe

The burden does not fall on us to attack it, but for you to tell us why it needs implemented. You dumb twat.

then who was roads?

god i'm drunk
you can defend and have to yoursel

people who use them
being libertarian doesn't go against free will cooperation so if you and your friend see the use for a road build it

I'm currently living in one of the most successful and peaceful countries in the entire world. What I make as a simple security guard while studying at my uni for free, dwarfs literally what I could I achieve in any other country. I can almost achieve whatever I want as long as I have the will to do it. Dying by various reasons is almost impossible and I can expect to live comfortably to I'm atleast 80-90 years old.

Now tell me. What possibly could I and my country gain by becoming libertarian?

Open borders kill nations

not an argument

Not a thread

Nice question.

Op, saying not an argument just means you don't have an answer. They point out a flaw, you just say not an argument.
Fuck off

It's so shitty that shitty memes demolish it, like AnCap.

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>old

I used to be a libertarian. To some extent I still am. However, I eventually saw one fatal flaw in libertarianism. It assumes that things (economies, social structures, science) work best when everyone is allowed to freely make rational decisions that benefit themselves. In doing so they will benefit the economy. However, people are not rational. Many people are not capable or logical thinking. This is why science, math. And engineering courses are so difficult for many. They can't use logic to reach a conclusion if given a factual basis. Thus, libertarianism fails. Thosw who are incapable of rational thought must be more controlled than libertarian doctrines suggest.

Why shouldn't laws be set up to conserve a nation's culture and values from subversive and seditious ideas?

The lack of a central banking system making such large amounts of capital unavailable.

Thanks. I was genuinely interested in what his answer would be, because my country ain't perfect but compared to a lot of the other alternatives, it beats em by the mile.

i agree, the problem being that if base our opinion on the fact that people are irrational we cannot give power to a gov that will ultimately b fill by moron
AKA A NEGRO PRESIDENT

You have 19 seconds to delete this for I wreck your shirt goyim

Libertarians' entire philosophy is constructed by deriving logical conclusions of the non-agression principle: a distillation of most basic European enlightenment principles, that all modern political thought is based on.

It is impossible for adherents of these other philosophies to refute libertarian ideas, because libertarianism has made a more logical conclusion from the same common foundations that all these ideologies share.

This is why libertarians fail to see the one flaw in their reasoning: no one they debate is willing to deny the core enlightenment principles of universal application of morality and egalitarianism, because to do so would undermine their own beliefs as well.

Despite my enjoyment of my own personal liberty, I recognize that globalism and egalitarianism have destroyed the west and will destroy the western peoples if not gone unchecked; to survive, libertarianism must be combated because it promotes these self-destructive ideas.

You're weak. 99% of libertarians are simply idealists who are too weak to actually succeed at life, so they want to make life harder for those already struggling. It's not that you want more freedom to do better, it's that you want to strip away the opportunities of others. It's not a political philosophy, rather a personal tell. And it tells everyone that you're weak.

Patents, Copyright, Trademark, and Trade Secret are considered intellectual property. None of which is property because their scarcity is artificially controlled and monopolized by the state. Trademark and Trade Secret can be reconciled by free market voluntary mechanics.

How do Patents and Copyrights fair in a Libertarian society?

Libertarianism =/= no regulation whatsoever. Austrian economics all on its lonesome doesn't work. Libertarians understand that government has some role in creating a stable society, or else they'd call themselves anarchists.

So the government's job would be pretty minimal in a libertarian economic system, but any intervention they WOULD do would be focused around promoting competition (and possibly by extension, protecting the consumer). That means busting up monopolies when they arise.

Roads.
Sewage.
Electricity.
Garbage disposal.
Checkmate atheists.

not an argument

wake up faggots

>can't even build a road

I'm genuinely interested in him, or anyone answering.
>g-good luck at uni

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I think you are talking about globalism. Big Brother, censorship and eroding constitutional rights are the death of the west not the other way around.

Being a libertarian is like enjoying metal music. If you're over 20 and you're a libertarian/metalhead, you might be clinically retarded.

Not an arguement is not an arguement unless you explain explain why the arguement is not an arguement, because it does not illustrate why the arguement is not an arguement

also

>aussi
>shitposting

i should have known

God bless, OP.

>the SILENT MAJORITY stands with LIBERTARIANISM

Actually, libertarians are just anarchists that turned 25.

there's so much wrong with that I don't even know where to start

no- there isn't. get greenpilled my nigger

Not OP, don't know much about Norway but I'll take a crack at it...

I guess I have to get more information first, actually. I don't think I'll ever know enough to make the economic argument, but how about the social?

What freedoms are you missing? Is there anything that keeps you from being able to do what you want to do (as long as those actions do not directly or intentionally harm others)?

The snake only bites while treaded on. It was also uniquely american, which was perfect for the american revolution.

holy shit that's strange as hell

How would a libertarian state even start a war or a hold a defense force?

have fun being greenpilled while the libertarianism you praise gives regressive neo-liberals the institutional power to demographically replace your people, indoctrinate your children, and send you to FEMA camps

There is no problem with an authentic monopoly. When McDonalds however lowers quality or raises prices some lucky fuck can start his own business and get rich by outcompeting it.

National Libertarianism.

Discuss.

Reducing government involvment would decrease consumerism because of the economic benefits people would be able to enjoy more time for profound or spiritual interests. And the people who engage in consumerism have it much harder to rise out of the working class because they do not increase their wealth.

>fought no wars
stopped reading there. Humans are violent by nature and our world will never be rid of war, hatred, or violence. It sounds to me like your way of thinking is unrealistically optimistic and has no practical application in the real world.

A contradiction.
>nation assembled by the fact that it is not a structure.
>non-structure kept not-coherent by a common identity guaranteed by nothing

The wealth in Norway is ultimately generated by private enterprise, if people had more of the money themselves they could voluntarily achieve the same level of general prosperity. The people who want education could still have scholarships. Government is fundamentally less efficient in fulfilling the desires of people and the nordic culture and natural resourcs are ultimately responsible for the great wealth.

are you pretending to be retarded?

Libertarianism is about voluntary association. It is also compatible with racialism.

>nu/pol is anti-libertarian
Fuck these redditors.

I was a libertarian, and then I worked as financial statement auditor or as a private "regulator" for many years. My experience taught me that self-regulation or private regulation may work in for consumers or consumer products, but it will never work for enforcement. Sure, yelp probably may have done more to protect consumers than any local health department.

Sure, you could even argue that hooker-sites like Myredbook protected the Johns from bad experiences, but I don't think that myredbook protected the Hookers from the unfair treatment of the Pimps. This is why that site got shut down. There were too many underage girls and girls/women being forced into prostitution via pimps. Myredbook didn't protect the workers, and neither does a site like yelp.
Self-regulation and private regulation is definitely not going to work in enforcing rules. As private regulators (Financial Statement Auditors), the client realizes that the force of the gun is not behind us, and they will do whatever they can to make us bend to their will. Somehow 99.9% of financial statements are given clean audit opinions. Based on my experience, this is clearly wrong. I have been forced, on many occasions, to falsify documentation to protect the client in order to prevent a finding. This way we get to keep the client for another year, and the managing partner gets to line his pockets with his share of the profits.

>Libertarianism is about voluntary association
Which is not how a nation is formed.
>It is also compatible with racialism
Also not how a nation is formed.

This shit posting faggot again.

Yes, people are not always perfectly rational, but irrational actions are detrimental to you on the free market. The thing that in a libertarian world ensures that people make the best decisions possible are plainly the economic interests. People do not have to use logic themselves, the market structure makes it so that the best decisions are the most incentivized in your own personal life, which you can clearly see. Government too is made of irrational actors and does not really help in that regard.

Non Aggression Principle is a spook fight me faggot.

no.

>start a war
Probably wouldn't. Would look for a diplomatic solution to a conflict; especially stupid to fight wars in a nuclear world.

>defense force
Would either have a national military like most countries, or the "national" military would just be organization/logistical support for state/provincial National Guard-esque things.

Libertariansim - the belief that externalities don't exist, and fair markets magically are created in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics

People themselves want to preserve their culture, it provides for great personal satisfaction and a feeling of community. Subversive ideas could be dealt with by people exiling and shunning that behaviour if there really is an incentive to preserve those values.

How is voluntary association not how a nation forms? We are all voluntarily part of our respective societies.

Racialism is similar to tribalism and that is the foundation of a nation forming.

Your candidates are not yet bought, as they are pretty fucking useless

So basically, it would be at the mercy of any neighbour with a standing army.
That sort of model could have been possible up until the 19th century but now you might as well paint "COME GET FREE CLAY" on corfdielfs so it can be seen from space.

countries like yours live off of luxuries that war mongering countries like mine provide

Without war machines grinding black and brown people for resources, you wouldn't have cell phones. An economist once estimated that socially democratic nations would be at a 1970s level of self sustainability, and your quality of life would be somewhere around a blue collar worker in Canada.

I'm not demonizing your governmental system, but it starts to degrade without cheap imports, and it would degrade even more if you had to deal with the size, scale, and diversity of a country like the United States operation.

feudalism

If you don't align with the ideological positions of Hans-Hermann Hoppe you're a cuck.
>implying that Hillary isn't a subversive "soft" tyrant
>implying that Democracy isn't inherently tyranny

If you're a libertarian, then why aren't you supporting Ron Paul for treasurer? Hmm?
change.org/p/donald-trump-make-ron-paul-trump-s-secretary-of-state-treasury

Libertarianism does not promote globalism or egalitarianism, quite the opposite. No libertarian would ever argue that the global nations should unite. It does promote globalization, which is the peaceful but separate trade between different cultures. And egalitarianism is fundamentally il-libertarian, in a market economy people will be rewarded for their worth to others and it will never be equal.

>How is voluntary association not how a nation forms? We are all voluntarily part of our respective societies.
That is the precise opposite of how a nation is formed. A nation is formed by a people happening to find itself somewhere and growing because sedentary life is more sustainable than nomadic hunt.
You are mistaking state and nation. States are first artificial entities uset to create a frame to protect the nation or nations it encompasses.
>inb4 muh switzerland

>Free

I don't think you know what this word means.

fpbp

Libertarianism is inherently hypocritical. ALL taxation is theft. ALL initiation of force is immoral. It's the cuck version of voluntarism, and a stepping stone on the way to being morally consistent.

Fuck libertarianism and fuck you.

This ^, If you are a libertarian, then you NEED to sign this. Less than 20 signatures to go right now.

>Subversive ideas could be dealt with by people exiling and shunning that behaviour if there really is an incentive to preserve those values.
That worked until our education, government, and entertainment became infested with jews subverting our culture in the name of "progressivism".

The people and the elite would pay mercenary groups, people would volunteer for militia services.

Mercenary groups are almost always more efficient and good at their jobs any way. Also contrary to popular belief they usually kill less innocent people as well.

'k
youtube.com/watch?v=WnCtzB58SY8&t=9s

Copyright is easy, you can simply sell your property on the condition that others will not resell it or an equivalent. Patents don't work in a libertarian system nor do they have to, there is no consensus on if patents even incentivize research and development and they are easily abused by big business.

then i feel bad for you.
I never even praised libertarianism man. i'm literally a trump supporter