Rice isn't ok but showing a man deteriorate mentally and physically is perfectly fine

>rice isn't ok but showing a man deteriorate mentally and physically is perfectly fine

what the fuck was wrong with 4kids ?

Different audiences

Pokemon was going to be their big gorillion selling hit so it had to be Americanized
They thought One Piece was gonna be fucking huge too

>They thought One Piece was gonna be fucking huge too
Yeah i heard the story on that, never understood why they thought it would be big, the art is some of the ugliest ive ever seen come from japan.

Because it's literally the best-selling manga of all time?

It's was very successful in Japan.

>They thought One Piece was gonna be fucking huge too
They also butchered it to all hell

Imagine if pokemon never got hit by attacks because they had a forcefield and the winnder was the one to break the forcefield. That's the level of dumb they went with One PIece

It's insanely successful in Japan and 4Kids didn't bother to look into it enough to realize it wasn't Yugioh and there was no way to localize it their way without fucking it up entirely.

>Because it's literally the best-selling manga of all time?
Fucking how? From what ive seen its awful, the screaming annoying MC is just an anorexic naruto

i would've loved one piece better if luffy just wants to sail and explore than add an arbitrary goal (pirate king/one piece) considering that's what he seems to do in the first place.

People like ADVENTURE
Granted, ADVENTURE's been on the sidelines for a while (since fishman island? I didn't get much ADVENTURE from furry elephant-island

I like the cartoony style but to each their own. Even if we agreed that it's universally ugly, it's not like that has stopped many show to become huge in different age ranges like Peppa Pig, Ed EDD 'n'Eddy, Beavis and Butthead, South Park and many people hate the current CalArts style yet many of the most watched shows use it, hell I assure you that there were a lot of people on 4kids who hated the Pokemon artstyle.

You realize they never aired that episode, right?

More like different countries. American shows were fine and didn't get touched, Japanese shows were fucked raw with no lube.

Except Ultimate Muscle somehow.

Pirates are not exotic in the west.

It's the longest manga, had an interesting explorative theme, cool powers, and actually came out before Naruto (not by long, less than a year iirc, but still)
Plus, it had pirates. And tits. And it was the early 2000s/late 1990s. People *loved* pirates and tits in the early 2000s and late 1990s

EE&E and beavis and buttheads style adds to the humor, one pieces just looks disgusting to look at
>hell I assure you that there were a lot of people on 4kids who hated the Pokemon artstyle.
Fucking how, i popped boners for jessie and misty when i was fucking 2

It's huge in Japan and globally; south east asia, did fairly well in Europe, etc.

Try reading the manga, the anime is subpar, especially early on. Although honestly it's not worth reading all of it up till now though, despite being allegedly planned till the end from an early point, it got almost as far from what it used to be as DBZ from DB.

Best selling comic of all time you mean.

>Plus, it had pirates. And tits. And it was the early 2000s/late 1990s. People *loved* pirates and tits in the early 2000s and late 1990s
>saying it in past tense, as if now people dont like pirates or tits anymore

No they didn't. They didn't even want it. They wanted Tokyo Mew Mew and Toei snuck One Piece on them in the contract.

It does everything better than Naruto like not falling into dick power measuring like most shonen. The characters are well explored and develop even the MAC who becomes less annoying. The world building is insanely good. And Oda doesn't fall in the same response that most serialized linear long running stories fall into (from what I've read some people are saying the last chapters are doing this).
I was hesitant about it too for years not getting it until I actually read the manga.

Are you Somalian, time travelling from the 15th century, or just baiting?

That shit was popular BECAUSE of Jack Sparrow, not because it's pirate based.

Pirates are incredibly boring.

>Pirates are incredibly boring.

Yes because you were a kid growing up with it, but most suits in 4kids most likely never watched anything like it before. And if we're using personal anecdotes as arguments of how good an art style is, my dad hated Pokemon's style referring to the show as "that ugly Chinese show". Also One piece adds to it's humor too, at least in the manga.

isn't it interesting when you step back and realize barbossa is the true protagonist of the series and jack is really an antagonist/side character?

>not falling into dick power measuring
Why are you lying to him? As soon as haki got introduced it fell exactly into that. Yes, there's some imagination with the use of powers, especially early on, but there's pretty clearly powerlevel faggotry (even though it's executed with more humor than in classic shonen).

...

screaming annoying MC is one of the most popular MC types in kid's animu for some reason, it's how shit like Black Clover got made.

Ultimate Muscles violence is like silly and fake wrestling shit.
Until the later episodes where dudes start dying in the ring but I assume they didn't watch that far.

I'm sure there's longer manga like Google 13, Hajime no IPO and even JoJo.

Toei doesn't even own Tokyo Mew Mew.

>screaming annoying MC is one of the most popular MC types in kid's animu for some reason, it's how shit like Black Clover got made.
And thats why i dont watch most shonen anime, seriously what is that horrible character type so popular?

Nice phoneposting.

Well people do seem to like asses nowadays. Asses and latex I think? So maybe ninja butts? This was before the time where Japan started gaining a shittier taste in everything.

The longest manga was Kochikame, last I checked. It was a gag manga that ran in Jump for like 30 nonstop years.

>Ugliest art from Japan
I've seen worse.

hajime no ipo isn't even that long, Golgo 13 takes a lot of breaks so I'm sure one piece has out paced it, JoJo might be longer but I haven't done them side by side, but I bought it.
Doesn't matter though as this dude says One Piece isn't the longest running.

It sure felt like that in the last movie. Jack was flanderized while Barbosa got it's due. Got me mad about Jack but Glad Barbosa had such a great end, he lived his dream and saved his daughter, proud of him.

>seriously what is that horrible character type so popular?

I don't watch much shonen but I loved Naruto as a character even though everyone hated him because he was so energetic and happy-go-lucky, yeah the 'believe it' shit could get annoying but he was endearing in an infectious way and unironically made me want to strive to be a better, more motivated and more resilient person.

They are fucking boring. Give me a single thing about them that is actually entertaining. It's nothing but a bunch of faggots in a boat that we have seen a million times. Nothing about them is fun.

OP was successful because pirates are exotic in Japan, over here is nothing but the same old shit.

Thanks! It beats being bored waiting for the bus.
Thank you I couldn't remember the name.
Good points

wait what show is this??

TMNT 03

The 2003 series was basically a big fuck you to the censors.

>the original band of misfits
>use both guns and swords
>canons
>alcohol
>sailing
>cool islands
>treasures
>no laws
>raping, killing and stealing for fun
>still often portrayed positively
They're the funy type of edgy. Fuck it's like asking what's fun about cowboys.

Have you ever even sailed you landlubber?

>They are fucking boring.
Take your company wars somewhere else

No. Pirates are boring.

>Pirates are incredibly boring.
Don't be retarded

Ninja turtles. Baxter Stockman tried to grt himself a new body.

You shut your whore mouth.

All that shit can be found in other genders. Pirates just grab all that and makes it even more boring. Imagine a bunch of horny hairy men trying to find an island for months without anything to do inbetween those months.

At best is a good setting for a gay porno.

All that is bullshit lies.

4Kids NEVER EVER EVER wanted One Piece. NEVER wanted to air it.

They were basically blackmailed by Toei (who were desperate to sell One Piece to the US and to the widest audience possible; IE free TV) to take One Piece, SIGHT UNSEEN, in order to get (depending on the source) the US rights to Shaman King (which they wanted all along.

It wasn't until they got the first batch of tapes of One Piece from Toei that they saw they could NEVER get it aired on free TV and Toei refused to renegotiate their deal after getting fucked over.

So they wholesale butchered One Piece, not giving a flying fuck about it or the fact that they were essentially damning One Piece to never being able to build a Naruto-level fanbase in the US. They butchered it, skipped huge chunk of episodes (including an arc with a whale who becomes super important later down the line) and basically defiled the series, all in the name of getting through the length of their contract with Toei over the series, at which point they declined to renew the contract for it once it expired.

And worse of all, Toei didn't give a shit because they just wanted it on the air PERIOD. It wasn't until 4Kids refused to renew the contract that they realized the damage their short-sightedness had done and had to agree to selling One Piece to Funimation for peanuts/front money to redub the entire series, since Funimation point blank stated the franchise was worthless unless Toei was willing to pay them to redub the entire series from episode one.

4kids didn't think that.
TOEI thought it (because it's a goddamn religion in Japan and fairly popular everywhere else). I don't remember the show but OP was a package deal with something else that 4kids actually wanted.

The story sucks people in. I'll admit the art takes a while to get used to though.

The whale didn't come important until a few years after the 4kids dub started anyway

There is nothing inherently boring about any concept especially one as broad as pirates. You might as well saw cowboys or astronauts are boring.
If you think pirates are boring that's only some weird bias you have speaking and you might be able to redeem yourself now if you just admit that. If not then I can only assume you're a dumbass who can't think critically.

Then youre an idiot then, got it

>genders
It's still "genres" in English in that context Pierre.
>Imagine a bunch of horny hairy men trying to find an island for months without anything to do inbetween those months.
What's an elypsis. Of course being a pirate in real life would have been horribly boring, but in fiction you get only the highlights. What you think being a soldier is fun? Or a cowboy? Or a knight? Also situatuions where you're surrounded by a bunch of other men for large periods of time.

>Imagine a bunch of horny hairy men
> is a good setting for a gay porno.
Did- did you get raped by pirates, user?

>Of course being a pirate in real life would have been horribly boring,

And they are in any sort of popular media too. Nothing about them is fun, hell, before Pirates of the Caribean was successful, no serious studio wanted to make movies about pirates: Because they are boring.

No, but do you want to? I'm serious about that setting. Might make it a bara one shot.

That's really just in the dub. Just read the manga. Good stuff.

>And they are in any sort of popular media
Yes, hence "popular".

What was Toei even thinking?
>"Sure we'll let you take this moderately popular anime BUT you have to take the most popular shonen franchise ever made!! HAHAHA!!"

Exactly. Popular they are not.

You played your hand too hard.
Man, no one has any subtlety anymore.

the current arc is the best its been in a while

Bullshit the last arc was good this is just boring.

Reality says otherwise.

People say that about everything, then I get my hopes up, catch up, and turns out it's still pretty shit.

Oh yeah! Pirates of the Caribean and One Piece! Huge amount of pirates!

the chase is starting to drag but Katakuri is one of the coolest fighters in a long time.

This horrible sea witch is literally starving herself to death trying to murder them and Nami jacked one of her powers.

I like how oda plays with it. They make some weird-looking high bounty asshole show up, just to get decked in the face.
Also:

>Not using the Godsopp poster

In a Blank Panther is the best movie of all time sorta way

So "it's pretty good but I'm going to hate it because its popular"?

Like I said, as far as I read. Talk wasn't introducd yet.

>Oh yeah! Historically popular franchises!

Two historically popular franchises! Wow!

Wizards can't say as much. Ninjas can't say as much: Hell cowboys can't say as much.

>As soon as haki got introduced it fell exactly into that.
If anything that is the exact opposite of what happened. Haki cancelled out logia powerlevel faggotry.

Toei makes a TON of shitty, self-destructive decisions. ESPECIALLY in the 90s.

Case in point, removing Sailor Moon from EVERY market at the height of the DVD boom because they wanted to relaunch Sailor Moon as a live action show in Japan. Live action Sailor Moon was so god-awful, that it was canceled after one season and embargoed from ever seeing the light of day in other markets.

>Hell cowboys can't say as much.

Dude, cowboys have a SHITLOAD of movies.

Yes.

Replacing a relatively fun faggotry that could interact with each other in interesting ways and replacing it basically with steel vs steel. And people who couldn't touch a logia because they weren't one can't hack it against haki users either, at best it repalced one faggotry with another,

>they saw they could NEVER get it aired on free TV
What was with One Piece that was so bad they couldn't find a way to air it? I mean it wasn't too violent compared to other shows at the time was it?

Do you even know what a cowboy is? Every single 'action hero' profession is exactly like that. Soldier, cowboy, fireman, spy, cop, literally all of them. Long periods of absolutely fuckall interspersed with moments of life-threatening adrenaline. Pirates are no more or less boring than any of those other backdrops, and they've got miles of aesthetic on their side.

'Pirates are boring'. What the fuck is even going ON in this thread.

It has a nice story, main characters show progress through the arcs, secondary characters are useful, sooner or later, and aren't forgotten in a limbo, the story makes sense when something new is revealed and don't feel like an asspull, it has a wide array of villains, most of them charismatic, different between them in terms of personality, motivations and powers, etc.

You know, everything that Naruto is lacking.

I mean, I don't think it was as weird as Shaman King. In Shaman King a kid got vivisected.

So do pirates. Pirates and cowboys went in and out of style pretty much hand-in hand, although cowboys maintained a little more steadily in America because they are, essentially, our knights or samurai. I mean, chanbara and westerns are basically the same fuckin genre.

Pirates ARE boring. Go on! Show me a single pirate movie that made it big before Pirates of the Caribean or afterwards!

Studios said no to them for a reason.

>So do pirates.

Haha. No.

Yeah pirates generally are boring and have a shite aesthetic. Cowboys are much better. I'll defend that Treasure Planet was cool though but that's because they did way more with the concept than most pirate media does. Same for One Piece too, really.

I think men.com did something like that. It couldn've been a pirates of the Caribbean parody but I really wasn't paying much attention to the fucking dialogue. It's a good idea but I really doubt that it hasn't been done before a bunch of times.

>all people shitting on pirates in this thread
I bet you slack jawed faggots haven't even read Salgari.

man, shaman king was the best.
im still fucking mad about that ending.

The old or new one?

new one?

>no laws
>raping, killing and stealing for fun
user no. Pirates have their own rules and are die hard in terms of sticking to them. Pirate ships are ran tighter than a nuns asshole and the only alcohol they ever drink while sailing is mixed in their grog.

>one pieces just looks disgusting to look at
Nigga why you lying. People shit on One Piece's art style, but the truth is One Piece is extremely similar to Dragon Ball's style (which makes sense, since Oda was influenced by DB, like so many others) why also being influenced by western cartoons.