When did you you realize capitalism, without regulation, inherently leads to massive wealth inequalities?

when did you you realize capitalism, without regulation, inherently leads to massive wealth inequalities?

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so?
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it doesn't, the worker in a capitalist system is also someone that consumes products. In a way the wealth inequalities can be called massive, but living conditions are set higher constantly.

Every man made system will lead to massive inequality.

Socialism and Communism makes people equal.


Equally miserable, that is.

>inequality is inherently bad

Inequality of wealth works much like a gradient does in physics. Entropy fags BTFOed

I've lived my whole life under socialdemocracy and been on the recieving end of taxmoneys.

It makes people passive. Especially men. I think I've noticed females having an easier time motivating themselves even when work really wouldn't has to be done. Men on the other hand will not go hunt when they are comfortable and with full stomachs. This kills the man. I'm a fuggin' human and they expect superhuman motivation from me. Now I just shitpost on Sup Forums with government bux.

Reminder: the Nordic success was built from capitalism and hard work after the second world war. Slowly but surely they've raised and raised the taxes on everything and invented new ''absolutely must'' -moneysinks for the taxmoney. The more taxdollars they are using the more slack and inefficient will their use be. Socialdemocracy is not sustainable, and I expect and hope some real happenings that will wake the leftists up. High taxes and not actually having to even work is seriously not good motivation for a man to go to work. Who would have thought?

tell me a working example of regulated capitalism anyway?

There is going to be talent inequalities in a capitalist society as well. Because people have different value and (at least in theory) their wealth should be dictated by the value they add to society.

I got over my libertarian phase when I was around 17.

what does it say about a society when all high incomes are parasitic and sourced from the federal government and actual productive work barely exists

100% unregulated market gives birth to Ethiopia, Somalia, Trumps fascist regime in the alternate universe, 1980 robocop's detroit and ancap memes.

I always have said that, only a non corrupt, nor rigged system can lead a communism nation properly without degenerating in a oligarchy, and that can be reached through a powerful AI.

>implying
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Maybe in the first two or three generations. After that, a class system is well in place and the system ensures you stay in that class.

>small loan of a million dollars

Capitalism as a whole leads to massive wealth inequalities.

National Socialism is the only solution.

There is regulation, and there is choking the system. Socialism is the latter.

>when did you you realize capitalism, without regulation, inherently leads to massive wealth inequalities?

When I read Thomas Piketty's "Capital".

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The only solution is rigorous corporate regulation, government owned banks and education/health services.
When will you stupid rednecks learn that strict regulation on organisations isn't taking away your freedumbs, it's enabling it.

Well, unless you're already a billionaire, which in any case you really don't need any more money anyways.

yes please send all of my big corporations to another country

Inequality is the work of the Jews.

fuck off commie cunt, you're the reason our country is going to shit

>digits prove it

BUILD THE WALL

What's wrong with that? Better than communism where everyone is equal because nobody has anything

I realized that wealth inequality means shit and the only people who complain about it are envious cunts who want what doesn't belong to them and want to dictate what one is allowed to have.

Fuck you authoritarian cunts.

Socialisim forces everyone to work. Communisim is anarcho-NEET village. Read Marx.

Piketty is a hack who cherrypicks data to conform to his preordained beliefs

Trump wouldn't have become a billionaire if he was a fucking idiot with the money. People can whine about where they start out in life all they wants but only the people willing to intelligent enough to get shit done will ever be successful and they'll laugh at you cunts looking for excuses for your inability to do anything useful.

>the only people who complain about it are envious cunts who want what doesn't belong to them and want to dictate what one is allowed to have.
add to them the ones who can't pay for the education of their children because Mr Johnson will relocate the factory in China if anyone complains about the salary and you are right

Yep.

For example, look at the wealth equality in Venezuela here. They must have a Gini coefficient worlwide record or something.

Why do you think you should be allowed to force Johnson to keep his factory where it is?

Or Cuba. Another example of equality. Last time I heard, that 3-story building was going to have its 2 top floors demolished to set the example of wealth equality to the world.

Here, the Equal People of Venezuela wait for food. Everyone here is equally priviledged, since they all must wait for this basic need. All thanks to the regulations imposed by the democratically elected Socialist Party.

Government regulations are usually inefficient and costly. Since smaller businesses are more susceptible to market shocks and such, they're less able to internalize these costs and are hit harder relative to larger businesses. Thus, regulations can easily lead to less competition, not more.

It's not quite so much regulation that we need, as much as it is a willingness to stomp out uncompetitive practices. We need to bring back trust busting.

Because people depends on Mr Johnson in order to live and if he go, then there goes their jobs.

After I read it in Karl Marx works. Because there are no other books, that say anything about capitalism.

And as I see it - it`s not like marxist economic theory is competent to any extent. So I cant see why should I consider it`s ">muh capitalism" meme in anything.

Not an argument.
Nice meme.
But talent =/= wealth

Even Marx supported the right to bear to bear arms, something you won't find in modern "Marxists" anywhere

>regulations are bad
>therefore we need to get rid of them and bring in new regulations!

Mr Johnson doesn't owe you a living. It's his factory, capital and money. Maybe if you had a better understanding and respect for private property your country wouldn't have the low gdp that it does.

>socialism is good
Socialism kills. I hope you already started building the wall, Paco.

Another example of the prosperity that the Equal People of North Korea exhibit with pride. As shown on this satellite image, the North Koreans learned that the best way of having equal access to electricity was to not have access at all! If only westerners learned from them...

When I started working at 12 and saw most people are the lazy faggots. The amount of effort it takes to get to the middle class is a joke. The amount of effort and intelligence it takes to get to upper middle is almost a joke. If you can't seem to find a way to get yourself there, you are most likely borderline retarded.

Honesty.

You should see the fucking retards that are my peers. The fact they have graduated college / have MBAs says how fucking little someone with a brain has to try and get to there level.

All of human life, without Capitalism, is inherently impoverished and savage. This is called Nature.

Capitalism comes along as a boat on a rising tide. It lifts Billions of humans out of poverty and places them into Middle-Class at worst, or Affluence at best.

People get extremely butthurt when Capitalism can only bring 3 Billion people out of the savagery of nature, instead of all 6 Billion.

So they bite the hand that feeds, and they actually blame capitalism for wealth disparity. Idiots.

Communism and Socialism brings equality, yes. But it's not Equality in Affluence. It's Equality in Poverty.

not an argument.

>Some people are richer than others in capitalist societies
>So let's switch to communism where everyone is equally broke and there's no incentive to do anything!
When will this fucking meme die.

Always? It's like basic logic.

>therefore we need to get rid of them and bring in new regulations!

Not what I was saying. Some regulations are necessary, of course. But you aren't going to correct an uncompetitive market by simply weighing it down with regulatory policy.

We need someone with a pair of balls to knock down monopolies and oligopolies without concern for corporate interests and people trying to stuff money into his pockets. Unfortunately, I don't think Donald Trump is that person.

Things are going to continue getting worse.

keep Beliebing in the American dream kiddo, you're living in the 60s, times have changed

>the only people who complain about it are envious cunts who want what doesn't belong to them and want to dictate what one is allowed to have
Not an argument.

Chavez actually had some successes from 2003-2007, despite the fact that people like to shit all over his legacy in the name of the clusterfuck that is Venezuela today. What nobody will tell you is that Venezuela was also getting fucked under neoliberal policies before Chavez.

Monopolies only come about due to government intervention. Literally no monopolies have managed to sustain themselves in a truly free market without constantly innovating.

When they started shipping our jobs off to foreign lands.

When you realized inequility is not something bad, because some people have valuable skills and other don't?

you were never libertarian, you just slept around with really young girls until you finally got caught and thought libertarianism would just abolish age of consent laws

Wealth inequality is why customers have choices in the first place

thats right OP burn it down. burn all that shit down. start with the power plants. without electricity for a few hours shit falls apart in america. more will join the cause

If you live in a capitalist society and aren't intelligent enough to make it, then you deserve to be poor.

>Cuba
Which also has essentially no homelessness, child malnutrition, very little crime (especially for a Latin American country), and a life expectancy rivaling that of Canada.

>Piketty is a hack who cherrypicks data to conform to his preordained beliefs

All Piketty's data is available online and has been subject to academic scrutiny. He has only been attacked by journalists, all have had their attacks refuted.

So far, Piketty's findings remain unchallenged.

inequality is a necessary state of things.

Equality as concieved in communism and socialism is a make-believe concept, just like anarchy.

Anarchy and Socialism are concepts that do not stand the proof of time, as capitalism and order are in the nature of Man. Effectively, they are nothing more than grand theoretical principles that are used to counterbalance Man's inclinations.
In other words, Anarchism, Socialism and Communism are not functioning ideologies, they are abstractions used for the ethical betterment of superior systems.

North Korea has been ruled by Juche rather than Marxism-Leninism for a long time. However, if you look at data from earlier decades, you'll see that North Korea was actually the developed, industrialized country on the peninsula, and South Korea was the corrupt, agrarian dictatorship until massive amounts of foreign investment and the collapse of the Eastern Bloc turned the tables.

Right around the same time I realized OP was a bitch made commie faggot

>capitalism is nature
Capitalism is only about 500 years old.

21st century politics summed up in two posts. Pretty good, lads.

See, I see the red rose and immediately associate it with the British monarchy...

That in and of itself is a meme. Your average Eastern Bloc resident in the 1960s was better off than a poor American. At least the Eastern Bloc resident most likely had a house, job, and education, though their lifestyle was modest compared to the average in the West.

you know damn well that income equality is not a realistic economic goal

some people are ridiculously intelligent and talented; the rest are plebs, and they always will be

Literally 62 individuals now own more wealth than the entire bottom half of the world population.

That's bullshit and you know it.

>Social darwinism and natural selection didn't exist until humanity gave it a label

Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about.

And?

Natural selection isn't social darwinism. Social darwinism is pseudoscientific bullshit propagated by people who desperately try to find an excuse for being an asshole.

struggle breeds success breeds prosperity

capitalism is an extension of ourselves that mirrors sacred truths about the world we live in

and sorry, but no, men are not created equal

But the leading ideas behind capitalism are more appealing to Man's nature. One reaps what one sows, and so the system rewards the deserving. That fosters progress, developpment.
Primal communism was a natural way to ensure basic survival, but when numbers are such that society is no longer at direct risk, communism only fosters decay.

He also would not have become a billionaire if he had not inherited Millions of real estate from his daddy.

my first day of work

Capitalism allocates the most resources to those who are able utilize them properly, ultimately the standard of living will continue to rise until singularity is achieved, where all will be equal in ability, and cherished for individuality

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism
>Social Darwinism is a name given to various phenomena emerging in the second half of the 19th century, trying to apply biological concepts of natural selection and survival of the fittest in human society

I know that there were persecuted minorities (Estonians, Koreans, Germans, Lithuanians, etc) in the Soviet Union, and that your average person lived in a tiny flat and didn't have access to things like Coca-Cola or bananas, if that's what you're talking about. I'm just saying that there was relatively little homelessness and other issues that affect poor people in the West.

And 62 people pay for living of the rest of the world.

Equality is irrelevant, only living standards matter. What does the gap matter if everyone progresses?

If you read the rest of the article, you'll see what I meant.

>hurr durr who cares if the masses are poor and hungry, that never, ever ends badly

If you don't want to end up in a communist revolution where commissar cletus and comissar jamal go around raping and executing the "bourgeois" you have to throw a bone to the poor. Currently this is done with welfare, but that system is on its last legs, some form of wealth redistribution (probably in the form of basic income) is going to be necessary in the future as globalization and automation claim more and more jobs.

commies btfo

The economic elite also lobby the government to pass policies in their favor and perform coups in foreign countries to keep resources cheap and profits high.

Talent+Smarts=Wealth

>And 62 people pay for living of the rest of the world.
That makes exactly zero sense m8. These people are becoming continually richer (which is how we ended up in this situation in the first place). Clearly if they _were_ paying for the rest they would be continually losing wealth. Instead they aquire more and more, amassing mountains of unproductive idle capital.

>(((Socialism)))

What the fuck makes national socialism better than capitalism?

Deadbeats were killed. That's why there were so few of them.

Talent is what usually allows one to acquire wealth because certainly no one is going pay good money to a talentless schmuck.

The first mistake you idiots make is the assumption that all people against your retarded ideology want to be rich. I certainly don't want, as well as many others but I hate people who want to dictate what someone can have and want what doesn't belong to them and whine to the government that they should take it away. Fuck you.

Homelessness is a function of government policy, outside the realm of markets. Take minimum wage, rent control, and zoning laws for example.

Rent control makes living spaces shit, and also causes people to hold onto properties they don't need since they get more value out of bigger properties that aren't being put to good use since rent is cheap

Minimum wage makes workers that are least productive unable to enter the job market

Zoning laws force homeowners to comply with rules and regulations that increase the cost of price of their homes which further prices the homeless out of the job market

While you can find people who made a lot of money from being smart and talented, there is definitely no shortage of people who just acquired money without contributing anything to society, and there are similarly many people who contribute immensely to society but are hardly upper middle class, if not lower.

Wealth creates more wealth. All the money has to do is sit in the right account and it multiplies. You can inherit wealth.

Many of the world's greatest thinkers and innovators were dirt poor.

You certainly don't deserve special treatment for being a mouth breathing idiot. If you aren't useful to someone in some way, you're going to suffer, that's the way things work. You don't have any worth simply because you're alive. You have no value except that which you make for yourself.

Is it really? I figured out a trade job ( that I can do, in my spare room at my house repairing things ), and I am making at minimum $75 bucks an hour. I take peoples old appliances, repair them, and re sell them. I clear, at least, 3 grand a week. Easy. So, making that much, where does that put me? That's right UPPER middle. For watching some youtube videos, buying some tools and having a truck and dolly.

The last mass killings in the Soviet Union occurred in the early 1950s, before Khrushchev shrank and eventually closed the GULAG system and stopped the mass murder.

even soros himself has said the system is flawed and needs more regulation, dumbfuck

>I exist therefore i'm entitled to someone else's money

You don't grow richer with a low profit. If you don't grow richer, you can't employ more people, and you might have to lay off some of those you already employ. Also, there is no motivation for people to do extraordinary things if they don't get a substantial reward after that.