Now that the dust has settled, can we agree this wasn't that bad?

Now that the dust has settled, can we agree this wasn't that bad?

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No.

Oh, it wasn't that bad....heh no no it wasn't bad at all

IT WAS HORRIBLE

No.

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As long as we still agree it was bad.

it wasn't dreadful like everyone says it is. as far as superhero movies go it was pretty based. it's only pretty decent I would say

everyone is laughing but he doesn't give a shit because he knows he's fabulous

>sand man actually killed uncle ben
>harry conviently gets amnesia
>meteor hits near peter and he gets the black suit
>mary jane is kidnapped AGAIN

its pretty bad

It wasn't. People just hate the "Cool" Peter scenes because they think they were supposed to be serious.

>Harry Goblin is rushed and isn't even Harry Goblin from the comics, it's some utter bullshit half Goblin crap
>Harry spends the whole first part of the movie trying to murder Peter, but when Peter hurts him Pete is made out to be the bad guy and now needs forgiveness from Harry, who on top of being a half Goblin becomes an hero half Goblin
>Yes, the emo Pete shit is as cringey as everyone says, and we all said this as soon as we saw it, this is not some new thing
>Venom is a little twerp who actually acts more like Peter Parker than Peter does
>Isn't even a physical threat for Spider-Man, just is a random guy who kidnaps Mary Jane and cracks some jokes

Literally the only good thing about the movie was Sandman

>>harry conviently gets amnesia

That's the bread and butter of the Goblins, though.

>Isn't even a physical threat for Spider-Man

Now that just ain't true.

youtube.com/watch?v=EOBsObAhJ6M

Venom sucks. Harry is awful. The plot is a mess. Fucking finger guns. The entire dance scene.

Not only is the movie that bad, it's probably worse. So mad I saw this shit in the theater

it doesn't happen via a form of DID, it's not like he was a full on goblin in a new identity and repressed it, he hits his head. It solves peters problem. It's not like the first film where Norman couldn't remember doing horrible things, it ties up a loose end puts a plotline on pause. It's really very contrived. Also, just because the comics do something, doesn't mean its good.

Still better than homecoming

It's still a shit Venom, lacked the build up that made Venom such a menace to Peter in the first place, and lacks the warped sense of justification for his actions that made Venom an interesting character to follow.

The deleted scenes. There's a lot of ideas that could've improved the movie.


>The symbiote crash-lands on Central Park prior to MJ's play and stays dormant for a few days.

>Peter spots Harry after MJ's play and tries to talk with him, to clear things up. Harry considers it, but then sees Norman's reflection in his car's window, telling him not to listen to Peter.

>At Osborn Manor, Harry's butler Bernard offers him a glass of milk. Harry lashes out and smashes the glass on the floor. He lowers his head for a moment and, when he looks up, Bernard, the broken glass and the spilled milk are all gone.

>Harry hallucinates that Norman's ghost is in the room with him, urging Harry to become the Green Goblin and avenge him. Harry points out that his father is a murderer and hurt innocent people, but Norman claims he was only defending himself. He convinces Harry he was right and hugs Harry before vanishing.

>When Peter and MJ are on their date, the symbiote senses Peter's power and comes alive, attaching itself to Peter's shoe.

>While visiting Aunt May, Peter tries to play the piano, but he's horrible. Aunt May mentions the lessons she gave him didn't work.

>The Quantum Particles Generator where Flint Marko hides belongs to Quest Aerospace, the company the Green Goblin attacked three years prior. After one of the scientists points out that there's a change in the silicon mass and the other mentions it's probably just a bird, one of the scientists comments the experiment is their last-ditch attempt to save the company, and they can't afford to abort it. After the experiment, the police tells the scientists Marko was there. One of the scientists claims that Marko couldn't have survived.

>MJ scrapes the black goo off of Peter's shoe, but it crawls back into Peter's apartment. Peter notices the shadows "moving", but assumes it's his imagination.

>Peter tries visiting Harry at OsCorp, but can't get through the reception due to the excessively rigid security protocols.

>MJ runs into Ursula, the landlord's daughter, after Peter leaves to save Gwen, and Ursula mentions that she works at the jazz bar that's looking for singing waitresses.

>After the crane tears through the building, Gwen is left holding a phone line. She hears a radio host saying that, if she can guess the last two songs of the the band Two for Tuesday, she'll win a trip. Gwen cries "Help! I can't hold on". It turns out the last two songs are "Help" and "I Can't Hold On", and the host tells Gwen that she won before the line is cut.

>When Eddie Brock mentions to Captain Stacy that he's Gwen's boyfriend, Captain Stacy says Gwen never mentioned him, and Brock is stung.

>After Peter saves Gwen, he protects the crowd from debris before the police cuts the power. After swinging away from Brock, Peter checks himself and wonders if he really has gotten chunky.

>At the ceremony, Peter sees a little kid playing with toy web-shooters and shoots some webbing at the boy, letting him know he's Spider-Man. The little boy tells his mother that he met Spider-Man and points at Peter's direction, but Peter is surrounded by people dressed as Spider-Man, and the mother ignores the boy's claims.

>Spider-Man saves a baby during the sandstorm.

>After robbing the armored truck, Marko sneaks into the office of molecular biologist, Dr. Phil Wallace, the foremost expert in Penny's condition. Marko wrote several letters to him in prison, sent him money, but it wasn't enough. Marko gives Wallace the money he stole, to finance his search for a cure, but Wallace is hesitant to take it until Marko coerces him into doing so. Wallace says it won't be enough, and Marko leaves to steal more money.

>The black suit sticks to Peter the first time he tries to remove it, but reshapes itself into a regular costume afterwards, because the symbiote knows Peter will be back.

>Peter unmasks himself after his second fight with the Sandman and tells him he's Ben Parker's nephew.

It was bad ,but at least he riding a sugar daddy's dick.
SM3 was fortunately never as shitty as that coat hanger abortion Homecoming.

he wasn't riding*

>Peter's rant to Mr. Diktovich is much harsher, with him pointing out how terrible the apartment is.

>Peter looks himself in the mirror and sees a brief flash of Venom and his lashing tongue.

>Peter unwittingly disturbs Aunt May with a excessively vivid account of how Spider-Man "killed" Sandman.

>Harry regains his memories before MJ visits him, but stands up to Norman, claiming that, after he kills Peter, Norman will force him to kill MJ, and then all the others who have wronged Norman, and Harry will never be free. Norman vanishes.

>After Harry kisses MJ and she storms off, Harry begs her to stay, because he knows what will happen once he's alone, but she doesn't understand what he's saying and leaves. Heartbroken, Harry is once again vulnerable to Norman.

>After Jameson fires Brock, his blood pressure gets higher, and Betty brings him the "Chimes of Serenity" to calm him down. It's almost working, when Hoffman bursts in, tells Jameson he ran the marketing campaign Jameson told him not to, and they lost money because of it. Jameson gets pissed, smashes the chimes to bits and tells Betty that NOW he feels better.

>After being fired, Brock goes to Gwen's house to ask her out, but she tells him she doesn't want to see him again after he tried to frame Spider-Man, and they only had one date. Brock tells her that she told him she loved him, but she says she didn't. Brock tries to force himself in, so Captain Stacy steps out and threatens to have Brock arrested if he doesn't leave. Brock desperately tries to come off as friendly, but is humiliated and hurt, and agrees to leave. As he does, he acts as if Gwen invited him to dinner later that week and derangedly skips along the curb to "celebrate".

>Peter asking Gwen out during Dr. Connors's class in comically overconfident manner.

>After Peter hits MJ, she figures out the black suit is warping his mind, and Peter realizes she's right.

>Peter goes back to the church to destroy the symbiote, but doesn't find it.

>Penny is in the park with her mother when she notices a massive sandcastle. She looks away, and, when she turns back, the castle is gone. It's Marko watching over her. Brock emerges from behind a tree and tells Marko that he has a beautiful family, and that Spider-Man stole his chance of having one of his own. Brock then offers an alliance, and Marko agrees.

>At the webbed-up taxi, MJ complains about being kidnapped again.

>After Harry refuses to help Peter and Bernard tells him everything, Bernard vanishes as well, and Harry realizes Bernard was another hallucination, his own mind trying to exorcise its demons.

>When he lands at the taxi, Peter apologizes for hitting MJ, and she reassures him it doesn't matter anymore.

>When the TV reporter says "This could be the end of Spider-Man", it's shown the TV is on at the empty Osborn Manor, and the window is open.

>Harry briefly fights Venom while Spider-Man is dealing with the Sandman.

>While beating a webbed-up Peter, Venom pulls back to reveal that Brock is charred skeleton. Peter learns that due to his powers, he is the only one who can provide the symbiote with continuous amounts of energy, while norman humans quickly wither away. It is the symbiote that says "Never would what you can't kill".

>Sandman attacks Peter once again, but is interrupted by Dr. Wallace, Penny and her mother. Dr. Wallace claims Penny's condition is too critical, and she can't be cured anymore. Penny asks Marko to spend her last days by her side. Sandman apologizes to Peter for killing Uncle Ben and leaves with his family.

>After Peter separates the symbiote from Brock's skeleton, the symbiote tries to bond with him again before he detonates the pumpkin bomb and swings away.

>After Peter and MJ dance at the jazz bar, he invites her for a "walk", and swings with her through Manhattan's night sky.

Between Sandman being retconned into Ben's real killer and the exposition butler, yeah, it was kind of bad

>>While beating a webbed-up Peter, Venom pulls back to reveal that Brock is charred skeleton. Peter learns that due to his powers, he is the only one who can provide the symbiote with continuous amounts of energy, while norman humans quickly wither away. It is the symbiote that says "Never would what you can't kill".
That is somehow even more retarded

It wasn't the worse Spider man ever but pretty low ob the totem pole.

You have all the Spider-Man movies on your shelf. Your hand reaches out and stops at the only one worth your time. "Sadly, it has never been surpassed," you say to yourself.

no joke its my favourite movie

>harry conviently gets amnesia
but that over the top sfx when he gets absolutely fucked up was worth it

Not exactly a deleted scene, but interesting.

>Venom and Sandman would originally kidnap Gwen to lure Spider-Man into a fight, and it'd be MJ to reach out to Harry to help Peter. Their scene was filmed ("Harry, we've all done terrible things to each other. But we have to forgive each other, or everything we ever were will mean nothing") and even included in the first trailer.

youtube.com/watch?v=wPosLpgMtTY

(It's at 1:49)

>Due to production delays, Bryce Dallas Howard was not available to shoot the ending, and MJ had to be written into the setpiece, even though Raimi had promised Kirsten Dunst that he wouldn't have her taken hostage a third time.

I think in general we're all just sick of the "Fight you Shadow" tropes. and where it occurs you can be fairly certain Freemasons are involved, cuz this is an important element of the rituals and part of the knowledge they seek to spread to the world.
Also, it is a pretty common programming / mind-control technique. The author can assign to "The Shadow" any properties or qualities they wish to reduce or eliminate in the society at large, even differing largely generation to generation with different shadows in different remakes.

yes

>I was defending myself when i attacked that groovy parade and dangled a bunch of kids and your friend off of a bridge

That's the point. Norman is a hypocrite.

I actually liked Harry's new goblin costume