Taxation is theft, prove me wrong statecucks

Taxation is theft, prove me wrong statecucks

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What is your alternative?

roads...how do they work?

Only if you don't vote or use any public services or amenities

>prove me wrong

But I agree

>Muh roads

Welcome ancap bro, lets own these cucks together.

You're still receiving a service in return for your taxes. Being forced to buy something and robbed are two different things.

An ancap utopia
Private companies build them

By the govt using my tax dollars to pay a private company to build a road that often ends up in complete disrepair

>Private companies build them
Yeah, but why tho?

MUH ROADZ! MUH INDOCTRINATION CENTERZ! REEEEEE!

You have to provide evidence with your claim first dumbass
If not, stop being lazy you cuck go do your research

Toll booths, there are already private roads in existence.

Taxation is simply a requirement to live in a country - it's like the cover charge to get into a bar. If you sneak into a bar without paying the cover charge, they're going to fuck your ass up.

If you don't want to pay the cover charge, go to a different bar. If you don't like paying taxes, move to a different country that doesn't have taxes or make your own country.

>every road is a toll road
And this is why your shit doesn't work

Taxation is theft, I agree. But it's a necessary evil.

You use every single road in your country?

this triggers the ancap

theftplay
noun \ˈtheft\
Popularity: Bottom 50% of words
Simple Definition of theft
: the act or crime of stealing
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
Examples: theft in a sentence
Full Definition of theft
1
a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property
2
obsolete : something stolen
3
: a stolen base in baseball
Huh, I don't remember signing anything

It's an unnecessary evil could you imagine a united States where at the end of the year if you "owed" money you could pick where that went?

Can I ask what you'd choose to support?

Using roads is theft then

I would say that since taxation is not voluntary it fits the definition of theft. However the waters are muddied since you are forced to use the infrastructure built by taxation.

Are you suggesting that Americans determine the budget AFTER they've spent the money?

Do you even understand how this shit works?

>Huh, I don't remember signing anything
Then move to Africa and become a warlord or something

>unlawful taking

Tax is taken on a legal basis

Property is theft too tho

When paying taxes you should only pay for stuff you want.
I'd pay taxes for the military but not for "shrimp on treadmill" shit

Taxation is theft!

Tolls are spectacularly not theft!

muh roads muh NAP

Who's picture is on the money? Oh yes, right, you should give the money to whom it belongs.

Why would I do that?
Fuck off Proudhon
Of course, since it is voluntary.

The solution is tolls on every main road, while cutting blanket taxes for roads. Much less waste.
>protip
>This is how private roads in the USA used to work

>He doesn't know the reason why we have better work conditions now.

Why can't you just pay for your own roads that you use? Do you think the govt is using that money more intelligently?

taxation is also voluntary.

The entirety of ancap ideology is built on a simplistic moral premise, as base as it is ridiculous. It's a shit ideology for red-faced factory owners and autistic sperglords.

In what way?

If I don't want to pay taxes, I can live somewhere else.

>a toll on every fucking road would be more efficient than sending the government a check once a year

1. Theft is illegal.

2. Taxation is legal.

3. Taxation is not theft
Q.E.D.

What makes you think the majority of the largest companies wont create a monopoly for shitty wages So they can all create profit without competition

We dont need paved roads, dirt roads work just fine ok so you can stop paving those too. I've seen like 50 roads that were dirt roads but got paved. Taxes paid for all that unnecessary shit

What do you do when some authoritarian state attack? Or say the muzzies?

Taxation is payment for using government services
If you don't like it, go away

>ancap
what are you gay?
why not go straight anarchy at that point?

It's racketeering, not theft.

So if McDonalds uses guns to become the only restaurant in town, forces you to pay $3.99 a day "for a hamburger" regardless of whether you want it, it's not theft if you decide to eat the hamburger?

I don't think so. It's McDonalds own fault that there is no other option, and besides you were forced to pay for it. Might as well not starve.

HOW? HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY BUILD A FLAT SURFACE WITHOUT PAYING A CORRUPT ASSHOLE???

>Why would I do that?
To live out your ancap fantasies.

>he still thinks people are smart enough to govern themselves

What do you do when some authoritarian state attacks? Or some muzzies?
Because I don't want some shithole like Catalonia
In what way are warlords ''ancap fantasies''?

leaving your house is tresspass
prove me wrong ancapfucks

You wouldn't have any of that money without the infrastructure and protection the government provides.

Ancaps seem to think that all governments just burn taxpayer money and none of it is used for anything important.

Answer that

Might makes right.

Anything is mine if my might causes you to turn over possession of the thing to me.

You'll grow out of this phase soon...

Infrastructure and protection can be provided without government. Ancaps aren't trying to abolish infrastructure, they are abolishing government.

Monopolies do not last for long, if a person creates a shitty company which creates shitty products, an alternative will come and make better ones.
I bet you collect welfare like the useless waste of life that you are.

>sign
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

Because of government regulations that were pushed by workers unions?

>Shitty products
If they create shitty products they wont even make product that was not the question. Any half known companies will get into cahoots to make high profit with shitty wages rather than compete and lose profit to competing wages

And you pay for it, cuck :^)

Taxes are theft, and I'm the thief

get used to it or fuck off to some third world shithole so you dont have to pay taxes

Okay, it's theft. What're you gonna do about it besides be cucked?

>Infrastructure and protection can be provided without government
>Ancaps actually believe this

So what happens when someone violates the NAP? What sort of process follows?

Your decision to continue living where you live implies consent

Use bitcoin and subvert the state.

Because Henry Ford realised that workers being in better condition= working harder, the ''worker unions did it'' is a myth.
Your day will come don't worry.
You dispense justice with extreme prejudice.

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It's theft if they take it before you have a chance to refuse to hand it over. Otherwise it's misappropriation.

How fast can you go on a dirt road? It's called efficiency, you retard

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I agree.

I just think it's a necessary evil for a nation to function.

>IMPLYING WE NEED ROADS

somalia-->

Breathing is theft. Prove me wrong, you living cucks.

Christian social system based on voluntary donations.

>Because Henry Ford realised that workers being in better condition= working harder, the ''worker unions did it'' is a myth.
Henry Ford made all those government regulations that prevented kids from working and adults from working the entire day?

I would imagine that it is a lot harder for some kind of ancap society (or however you would put it) to defend itself.

Not saying that it makes it an impossibility, but it is a real challenge. Something like Seasteading might be possible in practice, but defence is the biggest problem. Any solutions?

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No him, but some industries would start to pay more to get the better employees and so on.

Depends on the dirt road, and the type of car you use
Somalia is a failed socialist state, it also still has states
No, I am just saying that he helped a lot with why worker conditions are better, and as for the time the children were working because it was better than the alternative.
You are right it would be slightly harder, the most normal solutions we have is for the people to take up arms and paying private armies.

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>Insurance companies could pay for it
Do you have any idea how much tanks, jets, satellites, and carriers cost. How much all that tech research costs. How many people each branch employs. If Berkshire Hathaway, the largest insurance company on the planet, wanted to pay for our military for ONE year they would have to liquidate all their assets.

While I admit anarchy sure would be fun, government is a necessary evil.
With it the common man has no need to worry about international affairs in day to day life.

libertarians gtfo >>>/leftypol/

>leftypol
>Libertarians
What?

what prevents conflicts like pic related from happening? Everyone has their own interests

Because if this story gets out people will resent that company?

Anarcho-capitalism is just another name for neo-feudalism.

I'd prefer a night-watchman state.

all those military crafts cost absurd prices because of bullshit contracts
If you told a weapons manufacturer that you'd buy from the company that makes the most affordable and effective tool they'd change their tune real fucking quick

But if I pay for government services I don't use?

I'd buy this company's services if they swore to protect me no matter what

>All those exotic alloys, complex electronics, and weapon systems are cheap
But okay let's be conservative and say they cost half as much. You're still going to be paying anywhere from ~$250-$350 billion. Personnel alone is $150 billion.

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The real question is can you voluntarily remove yourself from the society and its government.

If you have the option to to do this, it is hard to argue taxation is theft.

If you do not have the option to do this, then you can frame taxation as theft. But in an any non-total, non-direct democracy, you are guaranteed to be subjected to many laws and regulations well beyond taxes that you did not consent to.

Even in a direct democracy, you are subjected to laws/taxes you did not consent to whenever the majority rules against you.

It seems to me that if taxation is theft then any law which you did not vote for/enact yourself is oppression. If you can voluntarily exit your society, then your freedom to do so disqualifies tax-is-theft as a notion. If you cannot voluntarily exit your society, then I suppose tax-is-theft stands, but your entire existence is also one of subjection so I think bitching about taxes is the least of your concerns.

How do you decide where the line between aggression and non-aggression goes? If I fuck your 12-year-old daughter, can we reach a consensus on whether I'm being hostile? And what if I don't accept your personal view of aggression?

I volunteer to pay my taxes to receive benefits like public roads
Your move AnCuck

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