How can Red Skull realistically ever redeem himself?

How can Red Skull realistically ever redeem himself?

Start drawing pornography

Become an hero

Reveal he was a black orphan.

Pretty much can't, and making him a hero would be stupid.

I get tired of villains turning into heroes in comics. It's one of the reasons why the pickings is so slim.

He held a gun to a crying baby, thats irreedmable.

By saving he multiverse when Thanos becomes omnipotent for the 49734th time.

He could post some dank memes.

Jokes aside, I always wondered why Millar even bothered creating an Ultimate Red Skull. He'd already created Kleiser and Colonel Abdul Al-Rahman, both of whom more or less served the same purpose as RS. I remember people assuming that Kleiser was supposed to be the Red Skull's ultimate counterpart, then Raman even moreso because of the red helmet.

Johann Schmidt? Never. The man is possibly the most irredeemable person in comics.

Someone else taking up the title and changing what it means? Maybe. It would be a good story about the struggles that people who experience "sins of the father" type prejudice.

I mean it's a pretty ugly baby

He can start by puling that trigger.

by starting the 4th Reich, killing the Jews, banning usury, and bringing about a golden age of National Socialism.
Otherwise, he's just failed and let down all his comrades who died.

It really does make me mad that Secret Empire has probably forever soured people on the idea of doing a What If? where the Nazis won and/or the heroes had fought alongside them. The Nazis could very easily have talked Namor into joining them if they'd contacted him at the right time.

One of the ideas for the 1993 Invaders mini-series was that the villains would all be obscure Timely heroes who became Nazi sympathizers or isolationists, but the editors forced them to use public domain characters instead.

a lot of babies are ugly.

Go the Sweden route: letting his ass be filled with nigger/mudslime cum until his will and ambitions disappear forever.

This the kid is a obviously a goblino

OP are you talking about Johann or the guy in your pic? (who is Cap's son either way both are irredeemable.

He did nothing wrong.

Shoot the baby for starters.

Like Evan?

he threw that baby out of a window after murdering his father and then his mother was raped

he did kill the baby

and had the mother kill the father and get raped

>comically evil is the new DUDE SO EVIL.

fuck this shit, it's too funny.

reveal the baby was trump

Bing Bing Bong Bong Bang Bing Boo
Imma Gas These Dirty Jews
Glompity Wompity Frompity Flin
I am the buttboy of Master Putin

With a flomp to the right and a flimp to the right
I'll ruin MADAME PRESIDENT's 'lection night
By whacking and smacking and hacking the votes
I'll get em by the pussy, and by pussy I mean goat!

so when are they gonna add this to the cinematic universe

In all seriousness, this is the only way for him to be "redeemed". For him to win, and sustain that win for long enough that his side rewrites history and re-defines the values and morality of the people so he's remembered as a hero.

I don't remember the redskull being literally the joker
>ultimate avengers
oh, that explains it
everything about the ultimate universe is super edgy for no reason
wasn't the wasp literally eaten by the hulk or the blob or something in that series?

Why would anyone want to redeem him? Let the bad guy stay the bad guy from start to finish. Fuck this "Oh they're actually good people, but they just have issues that need to be resolved" narrative that's ruining capeshit.

There was literally an episode of The Outer Limits where some lady went into the past and became a nanny of some kid she was sent to kill. The baby was Hitler of course, and then the climax came and she jumped into the river with the baby to kill him and herself. The Head Nanny, who was trying to stop it and couldn't, then found some homeless mother on the street with a beautiful baby boy and purchased the tramp's baby and passed the child off as the real Adolf Hitler baby.

It pretty much underlined the message of "The future will always happen, no matter what."

I only watched it once, a decade ago, but it still stuck with me. If only for the fact of how fucking dumb it was. If you knew what he was going to do and how it was all going to plan out, then why the fuck wouldn't you try and change the future by at least trying to give that kid a better outlet or something?

LOL.
Never understood this.
Why are woman so stupid the baby took what 1 year to make?
You can make a new one!

Dumb bitch.
You always chose the husband.
Same for fallout 4 never understood the
>Muh infant

Who gives a shit? You can make a new one.
If the kid is 18 now that a time investment.
Infants? Why even bother? Make another one.

have a (you)

Kidnap a baby, give it a gun, point it at Red Skull.

You clearly never
Had a child.

Can someone explain this trope?
Because logically it makes no sense.

Why do they pretend infants are more important then adults?
Infants are not real people they are larva that will turn into people later in their development.
Why is killing them so bad?
Killing adults is far worse.

Am I the only one who thinks all babies look ugly?
Bloated maggot face.

>The Outer Limits
Fucken masterpiece fiction(the 90s Outer Limits). Never again was there writing of this kind.
Especially the
>NO! Fuck YOU! Everyone dies and loses! THE END!
Watching the episodes was alway thrilling because you never knew is there will be a bad or happy end.

Children and infants are different.

>Fucken masterpiece fiction(the 90s Outer Limits).
The Outer Limits, Twilight Zone and Beyond Belief: Fact or Fiction, will always be my go to pieces of out there stories and tales.

Your replies kind of contradict each other

He makes America great again.

adults can defend themself
larvae cannot

People (especially and specifically mothers) typically get irrationally emotionally attached to their offspring; this is a deliberate natural tactic all babies in the animal kingdom utilize through some method or another or their parents would never devote the colossal amount of time and resources it would take to raise them.

*Clinton/Sanders

*Barack Obama

Ah yes.
I understand that its a irrational instinct in animals and what its purpose is in reproduction and evolution.

Woman tend to have this irrational instinct, considering that woman are not more then baby making animals for men to own.
On the other hand a man can look above his instinctual limitations, the evolutionary programing of his ancestry and make a simple logical calculation of costs and benefits.

Woman on the other hand will always be consider illogical and histrionic life forms who can never have intelligence of be considered beings.
Woman are simple egg sack for man (to fuck) governed by instincts not intelligence or logic.

To be absolutly fair, Hitler wasn't even "lol so evil" for most of his life. Hell, he was basically an user, with a doting mother, who didn't really like working, just wanted to shitpost at the local coffee house, and do his paintings.
Hell, he was even against anti-semitism for a good while, but shit just kept happening and he kept finding a jew behind every bad thing that was going on. And in a giant fit of "Sup Forums is always right!" finally turned into the Nazis we all know and love.
Giving him a better childhood wouldn't have changed anything. Letting him live in a country where entire families weren't having to prostitute themselves and soldiers like him weren't vilified like Vietnam vets might have.

Ultimate Marvel is most unilaterally the most abject trash that Marvel has ever published

While I agree, Ultimate Tony Stark is the objectively best version of the character. He's a diamond in a pile of shit.

Lol i don’t hardly know anything about the character but he seems cool

>Shadman

>doesn't betray his friends, and actively helps them out whenever he can in whatever way he can.
>competent; doesn't need a lesson in hubris every two weeks because, for the most part, almost everything he does works out pretty well.
>a natural born leader (although to be fair, 616 Stark's a pretty great leader as well.)
>his on-the-spot solutions have saved millions of lives, as well as his own in situations that pretty much spelled certain death.
>BTFO The Maker on multiple occasions
>able to control his drinking.

Ultimate Stark is best Stark.

By going the Injustice path and make Captain America even more irredeemable. Or at least claim he is more irredeemable.

He already did

I always forget how much of a piece of shit Ultimate Red Skull was, but then when you realize he was basically going to reset time with the Cosmic Cube, it's like, "Do I really hate him or just a little?"

those two pages were amazing.
i also like the one where he tore into Capt by pointing out Capt was fighting for a 1950's america, but all he was really doing was supporting international corporations that were raping the country and turning everyone into fat, self hating idiots.

And then Cap points out that he's just some idiotic arm chair psychologist who couldn't read him at all. Especially when Cap wouldn't be deceived by such Nostalgia because he literally saw how much worse the world was even if today isn't perfect.

Abdul wasn't really like like red skull

Pic related is the only "good guy nazi" allowed to exist in any kind of media

True

Which country would that be at that point in time? Iceland?

This one?

>"Really, Joe? I grew up in the Depression, my mom shit herself to death, is this supposed to disturb me?"
>"Yeah I was hopin' you forgot about all that stuff."

Why is he such a jerk?

>He thinks the Depression was worse than today.

The idea of people being people is slowly being stripped away by corporations run by anonymous shareholders obsessed with digital blips.

And then like every instance where Red Skull actually makes a valid point, this is immediately followed with RS throwing a baby out of a window or putting a teenager in a suicide vest or leading Hydra to gun down a bunch of pedestrians or whatever. Because in the minds of the people writing this stuff, you can convince people that a person's arguments are bad by immediately juxtaposing them with the person doing bad stuff.

>George Washington walks onto the stage
>"A free people have a moral obligation to acquire sufficient arms and ammunition, and the discipline to make use of both, to defend themselves and their rights against any who would abuse them, including their own government."
>Next page is George Washington eating a live kitten

>Implying Washington didn't eat cats

Why didn't she just attack Red Skull with the scissors?

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kek

Because even if she managed to kill the red skull there are 3 more people who will kill her, her husband and her child.

the red skull was golden during the buildup to the secret invasion

He threw babby out the window lol

You are so fucking wrong on so many levels. Do you really think that the husband would have chosen his wife over his child? When has that ever happened?

And if women are so worthless, than saving the baby should be the logical choice, since the baby is male. But according to your logic as well, the baby is worthless, and the wife is the better choice, since she could create more babies. But than again, going by your "logic", the male should abandon both and go find another wife, since women amd babies are so worthless. In either case, your a hypocrite, and if humanity followed your alien moral system, we as a species would never exist.

But your basically holding all of humanity to your utterly inhumane standards, and acting like you yourself wouldn't struggle with such a choice.

I pray to god that you are able to get out of such a horrfyingly dark and nihilist mindset, and find compassion and empathy for the rest of mankind.

Stephen Lynch pls

Yeah, listen to a serial killer terrorist invader. If he says "fat people need to be healthy". He is now a good guy.

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The things he's done push him beyond that, he would have to have his memory wiped.

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It’s a white baby, so in marvels book he’s practically Jesus.

rather if he says "fat people need to be healthy" his point can still be valid despite him being a "serial killer terrorist invader". And making him eat the kitten next page does not negate the validity of that point.

Of course he wasn't nearly as evil, but he does fulfill the role of being a disillusioned young man trained to be a super soldier, wears a red mask and is portrayed as being Cap's counterpart. I could see why some people thought he was supposed to be Ultimate Skull.

To be fair, I also saw some people assume he was supposed to be Ultimate Red Guardian or Ultimate Wonder Man.

The Wasp was eaten by the Blob. After a gigantic tidal wave wiped out New York killing hundreds of thousands of people including many heroes like Daredevil and most of the Xmen

Mark Millar ladies and gentlemen

>speeeedwaagõõõõõõn

Sounds like you've read Dialectic of Enlightenment.

Def Mensch ist Bose...

“If someone tells you that 2+2=4, but they’re shoving marbles in their ass, it still doesn’t take away from the fact that 2+2=4”

-Patrice O’Neal

And let me guess. He gets captured and put in prison, so he can show up later doing something else terrible to move the plot.

Despicable shit like this is why the Punisher was created.

That's ultimate red skull

no, he dies in the end.

most Ultimate villains die, except for Spidey's rogues.

Not quite, first Captain America implaes him with a jet, after he's taken to a hospital the mother of the child he killed kills him with a gun

Explaining the problem =//= Solving the problem.

The Ultimates, beina military force rather than a team of superheroes, kill most of their villains

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He's every bit as strong as Captain America here.

Pretty sure the Red Skull was irredeemable before this.

jeeez id Capt America atleast find out about this shit?

did ANY HERO find out about this and console the woman?

or at least just fucking learn of Red SKull's baby murder and evul for the lulz here?

yep

Wow....so he ruined her life and all she did was mercy kill him. That's kinda weak. He didn't even see it coming or feel it.

honestly, given the state of things that don't get reported, we're honestly not that far from a Great Depression, and honestly everyone is far more in debt and on the edge of losing everything to a degree as bad if not worse than it was at the time.

>antibiotics
>to fight diabetes

I don't mean to nitpick too hard here, but, I'm not really sure that antibiotics are very effective against diabetes.