Basic income

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What if I just use the money to jack off to hentai all day and do no work?

This is exactly what I'd do

can't, UBI is the only redpilled from of welfare

Why the hell would I work if I was getting paid for doing nothing?

When people aren't forced to work, the majority will not.

This is why communists had to solve the motivation problem with guns and gulags.

It turns out people don't want to walk around in sewage for 8 hours a day everyday for the rest of their life fixing pipes and working with dangerous chemicals 'for the good of the colony'.

This is why I want to pull myself up by my bootstraps and compete for success in America's© capitalist economy

doing nothing gets old pretty fast.

The head on the right should be empty

Just one question OP. Who will pay for it?

where does the free money come from

Pic on right should only say enjoyment. Lmao if you think helping community & self improvement fit in this picture. Idealistic freshman fag BFTO.

The second head should still have the red region and it should now say "I don't feel like working today. I don't need to because I get enough to live on anyway."

what if I use the money to jerk off to hentai all day and do no work?

what magical brain do you have?

There's a shit ton of stuff to waste time with

The image. One advantage of UBI over lolmmunism is that it doesn't remove the financial incentive. If you'd get 20k a year from UBI, you'd still work to earn additional 20k, 40k, or 80k in order to get more stuff, hotter women or deluxe hentai porn.

We already have too many fools who work and study for self-expression.

This pic is a very good argument against basic income.

fuck community

Simply apply restrictions to it

>People are forced to pass a SAT test every 4 years that has an always-increasing difficulty related to the age that evaluates your overall knowledge, and assigns a basic income related to your performance
>Low scores are cut off from the basic income, while high scores prove that the welfare they received actually DID end up being used for self-improvement

Find a flaw I fucking dare you. This is the ultimate and most efficient form of welfare, that might as well be branded as a better version of a student loan. If a guy can just sit in front of a computer and educate himself, by all means he should keep doing it. Statistically, a relevant enough percentage of those people will end up making their own companies at some point, or even invent something.

wasting time is usually a response to overwhelming stress usually caused by the fear of future
after you adjust to the circumstances you will crave to do more, get better etc.
assuming that youre not a mentally ill robot of some kind

You have be pretty fucking naive to believe that enough people would actually work long and productively enough to make this viable.

Are you implying that these people will be able to add any value to society if you force them into the workforce? Most of them could be replaced by robots, and removing worst slackers from workplaces would likely improve productivity. Just give them some means to get by, so they don't die on the streets.

wtf i love basic income now

How are we supposed to lift niggers and lesser races up if they voluntarily become a controllable, fixed income, state monitored subclass

i'm living on gibes and even i would

If you need money and there are no jobs or little money in the blue collar work, then you of course train for more intellectual work.

I went to study for a job. When i graduated and had a job I studied Philosophy in a distance programme. If I didn't need money I'd only study philosophy and be useless to society ever after. I wouldn't work at all, I can assure you. Not a single day.

>get something for doing nothing

There's the flaw.

I get neetbux and don't want to work. There's your flaw.

It's fueled by the initiation of force, guarrenteed with guns, incentivizes laziness and parasitism, disincentivizes success and self-sufficiency. Literally built on human sacrifices.

If I lived in Switzerland, Finland or some other homogeneous country sure.

But not in America. I don't want taxes going towards helping minorities who only want me dead. Fuck em.

What if my only motivation is to earn money?

There are lots of people who don't like to sit around all day

That happened in the 1960s.

"Basic Income" would require anywhere from 25% to 60% of the GDP of the United States to fund. Not economically viable. One day that will change, but we are probably at least 100 years from getting to that point.

It's not about that.

It's about having a machine that can do your job for a fraction of the price.

build planes, medical diagnosis, moocs, drive.

niggers

tell that to life long nigger welfare leeches.

I don't know, I can waste an awful lot of time jacking off and playing video games.

So then some people work to pay for others to get paid for doing nothing? Great system.

Everybody in USA is a migrant and you pretty much want to make whole world dead with your interracial international bullshit.

People that support UBI obviously don't get those things from their jobs. Society stops functioning when everyone decides to be an artist.

Creative and Scientific people are few and far between
What we need to do is circumvent the monetary system, basically impossible to achieve. Humans are children until they stopping believing in the power of money

Because why should I be forced to support leeches?

We need full automation first

Liberals want basic income and at the same time they want to flood the country with millions of uneducated low-skilled labor workers who will steal their jobs because it's so much cheaper to the employers to just hire an illegal than to pay basic income to an American.

I found a flaw.

Well, not all philosophers (also: abstract mathematicians, artists and liberal arts majors in general) are useless. One in a thousand may get an idea which will make life more awesome for everyone. But in order to get to that one guy, we have to make a huge, risky, stretched-in-time investment and subsidize the thousand.

But that's not even the point. I am arguing that:

Output(Workforce-Slackers)>Output(Workforce)>Output(Workforce-Slackers+Them dying on the streets)

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After Basic Income there is no motivation. Please erase Self Improvement, Enjoyment, Help Community, and Meeting People. That's your brain on basic income

it's in a picture it must be true

There are too many humans as it stands.

Fix'd

We're trying to undo what our forefathers have done, just give us time.

The problem lies within human nature. Most people are lazy. I'm all for the idea of basic income for everybody but unfortunately 90% of people will just corrupt the system and use it to their advantage to just be lazy. The 10% that would legitimately benefit from it and imporve and make the country great get fucked. And the worst part of all of this is that it's all because the 89% are niggers and sandiggers abusing the system.

>My only will to live is the monetary jew!

>Italy

That explains a lot

NEETS tend to subsist under some sort of government funding or their parents, this is in a way a form of basic income as it is unconditional. Yet, they are clearly not improving themselves.

How would a UBI society deal with the NEET problem?

i've only seen uneducated lazy unhappy people argue for basic income

Fixed.

Yeah I'm really going to scrub toilets all day everyday to get 'hotter pussy'

If the income is adequate in any way, I'm not working. You think welfare pays a lot? Doesn't inspire most people to get off of that.

>Great system
It's the exact same as our own system except some aren't forced to work

That's why automation. Automation is coming, in a big way. When it does, this entire discussion about UBI will be moot. There simply won't exist enough jobs for humans to fill unless we simply create busy work so that people aren't getting stuff "for free". Nobody wants to work the shit jobs in a UBI society, but with automation, they don't really have to.

I don't need any of those on the right to play video games in my house all day.

Tyrone doesn't need any of those to do crack and rob people for "street 'cred" or whatever reason niggers steal things while on welfare.

A Communist won't need any of those to post on Reddit.

A robot won't need those to make "MFW no gf" greentexts.

Weaboos don't need those to watch anime.

Nobody is going to work for "self fulfillment" because they're either happy with their level of mediocrity, or will find a billion other things that improve their quality of life and sense of self. Nobody is going to work in a steel mill, oil rig, fire department, or military if they could get just as much benefit by not putting themselves in danger or exhausting themselves every day.

I will take part in this NEET revolution

That's because they don't think they're capable of getting hotter pussy, or even pussy in the first place.

Legalize prostitution in the US. Problems solved over night.

SJWs? Gone.
Crime rate? Down.
Employment? Up.
Spending? Up.

The problem with welfare is that you generally lose the benefits once you reach certain income threshold or when your situation changes in general. Since you'd get UBI no matter what, it wouldn't be a problem.

>UBI
>not NIT

Under a negative income tax the incentive to work is maintained, the welfare system is gutted, and serves as insurance against automation of the service industry. Commies get out.

Retards, there will be no UBI. You have no idea how humans operate. When automation replaces enough workers, the rich will simply gas the poor.

>When people aren't forced to work, the majority will not.

Citation required.

You currently work a lower-middleclass job and make $55k/year. You can take basic income and try and squeak by on $12k, or you can keep working the same job, and make $67k a year, for the exact same effort...

Or, you can quit, take a job you like that pays a bit less, and have a better job for the same bring-home.

"LOLZ EVERYONE WILL QUIT" is BS. A few will, but they weren't likely pulling their weight to begin with.

It only works if everyone would strive to improve themselves once all basic amenities are met which sadly isn't the case. How many would realistically better themselves as human beings, driving innovation, rather than just become hedonistic? The source cited from my ass says 10-15% at best.

>work long and productively
These two things are not mutually inclusive. Actually if you want to increase productivity you should encourage people by saying they could work less if they found a way to do so while still getting the same or better results. No one will ever do this while there incentive to milk hours or your salaried employees though.

Probably this. It won't be gas, though. More likely some genetically engineered virus, which they conveniently have a VERY EXPENSIVE cure for.

How is incentive to work not maintained under UBI?
See: Would you rather be trailer park white trash living for 15k/y from UBI or urban middle class with total income of 50k/y (15k/y + 35k/y)?

Inflation?

Or you could add a 'crime' bubble to that picture. Just saying.

I never asked for this.

Economics is a game user. In UBI it's just a game where money is given out at the start of every round so that everyone can play the game.

We need them simultaneously, you need UBI to prevent workers you're unemploying from rioting because they are literally on the streets now.

It's kind of happening already.

How so? You'd redistribute the money, instead of creating it from thin air.

It's easy to argue that the 10% are the only ones doing any real work towards improving and making the country great to begin with and that the most everyone else is literally just doing busy work to create the illusion that they are doing something.

This becomes increasingly plausible when you include automation in the mix.

300,000,000 * 12,000 = 3,600,000,000

In 2015 the total US federal spending was 3.8b not feasible

where does the money come from, mr "lifes just a game maaaaaan"

>and serves as insurance against automation of the service industry.
>serves as insurance against technological progress
>serves as insurance against the one true achievement of humanity
>this is a good thing

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Basic income isn't enough

We need FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM

On that note

One of the tippity toppity ironies of leftists is that they will simultaneous argue that Americans are the most environmentally destructive people on the planet while simultaneously trying to make millions more Americans through immigration.

This. When robots are doing all the human jobs but humans are still getting the end product, there will be no need for jobs. Unfortunately, the (((elites))) are trying to use that as a model for global slavery instead of the post-scarcity utopia it could potentially be.

Segregation senpai

The point is you get to do nothing to get something. The something should be the end in work, not the means to achieve nothing.

Arguably the stupidest idea I have ever heard.

Say every citizen is receiving $20,000 basic income. That means for every leach, the other citizens have to generate that value. Once you remove the financial necessity to work, you will undoubtedly have a lot of workforce dropout from less-desired positions. Why do you think that a healthy economy has more job seekers than openings?

On top of that, for the productive members of society you will have to raise taxes astronomically. With UBI you have massively reduced government revenue while increasing the spending.

Whats the fucking point in educating yourself if you never use it.

Case in point (you) because thats a dumb fucking idea you cunt.

This. Even when money becomes useless once robots can do all human work and life becomes exponentially easier people will still complain about money and (((they))) will try and dupe everyone back into a rigged system

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this post again. We found the flaw last time you idiot.

replace with getting money to get drunk

>implying people want to improve themselves and the community by working
>implying introverts want to meet new people

>not feasible

With current tax policy, no. It's entirely possible, though.

Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman both endorsed some version of it. If you don't know who these guys are, you aren't qualified to take part in this discussion anyway.

I guess it would depend on how much is given through the UBI and to whom because the optimal rate would be enough to be right at or just above the poverty line for it to be an adequate solution to automation and unemployment. If it's 15k/y for one person that's enough to survive on if budgeted properly and you would only be incentivized to get a part time job to make the difference of what a full time worker would be making now. Also a lot of people would be trailer park white trash if given the chance.

Demand-pull inflation would presumably occur.

You seem to be implying that work is good.

Engineered flu, most likely. It's really easy, the necessary equipment only costs about $1 million and it fits in a garage. Flu is highly infectious, making it also highly deadly is a no-brainer. 1918 flu was already very deadly, and it's likely not the limit.

The highly publicized flu pandemic drill demonstrated that humanity is completely defenseless against a disease as infectious as flu. WHO etc deployed every tool at their disposal and it achieved nothing. And it was a naturally spreading virus; a simultaneous release in major cities across continents will be even more unbeatable, quickly overwhelming medical facilities. Humanity will be gone in a week.

Flu vaccines are also highly developed and streamlined so they'll simply vaccinate themselves against their killer virus and kill off the rest of humanity. They might even include immunity to the strain in the common yearly vaccine, which only middle class and up use anyway. Conveniently, undesirables in first world countries have been successfully psyopped with antivac ideas so they'll just opt out of survival without any coercion.

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Basic income means that. By working you earn extra income.