STOP BEING CHRISTIAN

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Fuck off, I'm gnostic

What should I be instead Varg?

>unironically nordfag

snowniggers crack me up everyday

We wuz druidz and sheit

STOP BEING GNOSTIC.

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No, Fuck off

Calm down Varg. This is a Kekist board.

Varg needs to hit the weights

if i'm half irish and half english what kind of pagan should i be?

You're hot. Let me suck your sweaty balls.

Anglo saxon cause comfyness

Catholic

> being a christcuck

No

>t. Lesbian Bishop

No.

way ahead of you.

>t. white people christianity

>not worshiping holo, the wise wolf of yoitsu

I SAID FUCK OFF YOU LARPING TRASH

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t. Varg 11.16.2016


Anyone know why varg went full autismo mode during his last video? For real it's cringy, especially when you look at the fact that he said euros are like >99% neanderthal then comments telling people with an above average IQ to buy his role playing book.

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Those are proties

enjoy your holy jew goy.

>this thread

Nah, hoss. That's just what OP is hoping for.

Kek!

>what's the difference between a fedora and a christcuck on Sup Forums?

There isn't one, pic related

quiet, cunt. your input is not even wanted in your own religion.

religion occupies a void

you can't just remove it without something to fill the emptiness

logic and reason is the only safe alternative

Christianity's flaw is in it's principal pillar "forgiveness"

I understand the benefits of it (letting go of something you can't change, not being bitter etc)

but it's extremely flawed
a *repentant* murderer or pedo receives heaven ?!
but a *denier* , regardless of how righteous they live receives hell ?!

there's nothing logical about forgiveness or how it's applied

Varg posters are cancer

Varg is just a white trash dindu

Lesbian bishop?

Lesbian bishop!

But that's where you're wrong. You cannot fake repentance because god knows whether or not you are genuine.

What about the anti porn vargs? Do you hate that too?

Well forgiveness is up to God.
Nothing says that the murderer or pedo should not be punished on earth.

Don't tell me what to do you piece of shit

>logic and reason is the only safe alternative

Religion isn't always incompatible with logic and reason, sometimes this is called true religion.

>Christianity's flaw is in it's principal pillar "forgiveness"

Sometine forgiveness is warranted, sometimes not.

Christianity's flaw is its attempt to integrate mutually exclusive ideologies.

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I'm aware of the "change your ways / heart" aspect

I said "murderer/rapist" meaning.. the other person is dead/raped and repentance will never bring them back

understand my point?
it's irrelevant to the victim how you live your life after

it's like being in court
>murderer asks forgiveness
>judge grants freedom without punishment
>dead guy is still dead !!!

this aspect of forgiveness is fundamentally flawed

in Christianity there is no "unforgivable" sin ..and murders are forgiven (don't debate in bad faith)

you saying "some is warranted and some not" is not Christian teachings

I'm speaking about the actual doctrines
there's no interpreting, it's clear

Jesus tells me not to fap. Not varg

Nah suck a sick faggot.

Basically.

That show fucking sucked. Kill yourself

>in Christianity there is no "unforgivable" sin
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Matthew 12:31

>and murders are forgiven
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
John 8:44

> you saying "some is warranted and some not" is not Christian teachings
So what? This argument isn't defined in terms of Christian teachings.

Ypu clearly don't understand Christian, or more specifically Catholic, doctrine about repentance and penance.

For one to be repentant, there must necessarily be a penance. For a child disobeying his mother, it can be as simple as the repitition of the Lord's Prayer. For a serial murderer, it can be a life imprisonment, with the attempt at good works while confined.

Don't mistake our valuing of forgiveness for the idea that penance is not also required. Only the penitent receive true forgiveness and absolution from God.

Any religion that thinks Angela Merkel could go to heaven is undeniably flawed

But I never was a cuckstain.
The fuck do I look like to you? A clueless bluepilled tavi? Hah. I've been redpilled since before you killed that faggot euronymous.

That's lutheranism and anglicanism

Luckily, Merkel is a filthy fucking heretic who buys into faith without works so I guess Catholicism remains flawless :^)

Sorry, but I believe in Kek.

>For anyone interested in a thought out opinion

I firmly believe that after the Protestant reformation and the evolving away from zealous dogmatic belief that Western society was able to finally advance beyond what the incredibly specific and arbitrary beliefs dictated in a single body of outdated religious text allowed. Faith and spituality, or lack thereof, is entirely personal and abstract and should have no baring or say in how mankind evolves and advances. Far too many strides were halted by the notion of heretical or blasphemous thought because they could not be sufficiently aligned with dogmatic beliefs and knowing that mankind adhered to these beliefs as a means of imposing unity and morality upon nomadic dessert people makes that all the more tragic. I've noticed that recently, on Sup Forums especially, that a return to stout christian beliefs is becoming synonymous with being red-pilled but this only strikes me as an oxymoron. The whole concept of being red-pilled entails the rejection of double think and it makes no sense to suggest that you are seeing the world as it is while still adhering to the abstract idea that anyone other than man is responsible for or the master of your fate. You are responsible for your own actions and morality and despite our instinctual need to believe there is some inherent ramification or reward for any behavior it simply is not true. We are radically free and it is we alone who must hold fast to values which will benefit and advance mankind. We shouldn't need the fear of a vengeful god or eternal damnation to push us to advance society and avoid immoral behavior. We're better than that and far too advanced as a society to require it.

>For one to be repentant, there must necessarily be a penance.
Non sequitur.

repent:
to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins
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pen•ance (pĕnˈəns)►
n. An act of self-mortification or devotion performed voluntarily to show sorrow for a sin or other wrongdoing.
n. A sacrament in some Christian churches that includes contrition, confession to a priest, acceptance of punishment, and absolution. Also called reconciliation.

That's not even a non sequitur if your point stood. In Catholic theology there is a distinction made between repentance and penance.

Whats it called when you genuinely don't care?
> inb4 atheist or agnostic
I mean when you don't give a flying fuck if there is or isn't any god(s).

Apatheism.

They had a conference a few years back, but nobody showed up.

Prove it.

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>That's not even a non sequitur if your point stood.

Your argument is a non sequitur because it does not follow that a state of repentance logically implies that an act of penance exists or should exist. (Psalm 51:17)

you are speaking of an ideal situation (penance)
when it comes to stealing candy and childish sins then it's functional

I'm talking about the murdered victim, damn it (no disrespect)
will they return to life?! .. no
what good does a murderer knitting a cross in jail for life do for anyone/victims?!

a few years in confinement is somehow justice and worthy of heaven?

all I ask for you to answer is this

1) does a good person who denies god go to hell?
2) does an evil murderer who "repents and fulfills his penance obligations" receive heaven?

There are no good people user. There are people who seem good relative to others, but everyone on Earth deserves hell. Forgiveness is a gift and a mercy given to us by God, not something we can earn. Some people reject that forgiveness, despite being better people than others. That's just the way it goes.

I dont get how he is even a pagan you know. Off topic, but; he essentially believes that the gods are just representations of ideas. Like: Thor and his hammer is about gravity. So if the gods just reperesent ideas its all pointless. Surely??

HAIL ODIN!

I had a feeling you'd use that exception as a rebuttal :)

..that's why I specifically said "murderer" and not blasphemy
.. but since it's already on the table
I believe a blasphemous child is supposed to be stoned to death according to the bible (assuming he also goes to hell afterwards)
but a murderer could eventually receive an eternity in heaven

>process that for a minute

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>John 8:44
I don't understand the significance of what you're trying to say

and yes, we are only debating actual doctrine (there's no point to larp about changing this or that aspect of the scripture)

The person who was murdered in this hypothetical is, barring any mortal sins, rejoicing in Heaven eternally. Their justice was not in this world but of the next, for that is where the Kingdom of God resides.

The penance the murderer performs is not for us, those who mourn the passing of the murdered. It is for his own soul, that its iniquities, as the kiwiposter's psalm brings up, might be blotted out by not only his sincere desire to do good, but also in his sincere actions to do good and become good in the eyes of God.

Your question regarding nonbeliever's fates boils down to, "it depends." If they're some tribal living in bumfuck nowhere who manage to follow Christ without even knowing him, chances are good they're getting in. If they're some faggot liberal who knows of him, but are too busy getting packed in the ass to accept his Word, their chances aren't so good.

For your second question, yes. If the penance and repetence was indeed sincere, and not done without the full intent of the soul, then that man is rightly redeemed, and saved from the fires of Hell, for he turned completely from the path of the Enemy, and opened his eyes once again to God.

True repentance, I.E a turning away from one's sinful action in the seeking of forgiveness, requires penance.

This is baby's first Catholic doctrine here, you kiwi, it's not exactly hard shit.

In the Catholic faith the two are so fundamentally tied together that state of penance has to imply a state of repentance.

You can't have one without the other.

>True repentance, I.E a turning away from one's sinful action in the seeking of forgiveness, requires penance.
Only in the minds of the truly deluded.

>This is baby's first Catholic doctrine here, you kiwi, it's not exactly hard shit.
The fact that it's Catholic doctrine doesn't make it true.

I do believe there are good people (obviously it's relative to other people)

how did people get to heaven prior to Christianity??? (did they all go to hell prior)

was it not through their deeds???

how do people who never heard the Gospel get to heaven???

is it not through their deeds?

Okay bud, so what makes it not true, aside from a link to a website that spits some super hot definitions?

Or are you going to throw more Psalms at me, written by Hebrews who didn't believe in the absolution of sins by penance and repentance?

I'm sure you have some real original opinions to share.

>The fact that it's Catholic doctrine doesn't make it true.

The whole argument is about Catholic doctrine though. In the OP that user made, he specifically mentioned specifically the Catholic doctrine of repentance and penance.

You can argue that you don't agree with it, or don't like it, but you can't call it a non sequitur when one actually does follow the other in catholic doctrine.

I never was. Raised Mormon, now somewhat neutral religiously. Not agnostic or atheist though. Pagan faiths have about as much value to me as Abrahamic ones. I just read different texts and try to come up to a greater truth. Most religions will scoff at the idea that their faiths are based on alien visitations or thunderbolts in the sky. I'm into all kinds of alternate theories on the origins of religions.

Other user may be a filthy Protestant, or just be taking the Grace doctrine to an extreme.

God offers us his Grace, his gift of Love and Forgiveness, freely and without condition. However, a gift requires acceptance. If we do not accept the gift, then it rots unused, and in this case, you get to burn in hellfire for all eternity.

Obviously this raises questions of why penance/repentance is required when Grace is already freely given, but that's a whole thread worth of the doctrine of Sin. Simplifying it down, as I have been this entire thread because I'm fucking tired and don't have my Catechism to quote from, just remember as I said earlier, penance is not for our sake, but for the soul of the one who is penitent.

>There are no good people user.
On the contrary, most people are good, albeit often ignorant and foolish.

>There are people who seem good relative to others, but everyone on Earth deserves hell.
Before you judge everyone you should be aware of the nature of the forces that influence them.

> Forgiveness is a gift and a mercy given to us by God, not something we can earn.
Forgiveness isn't something that is given arbitrarily; some deserve it, others don't. We have the ability to influence our own path here.

> Some people reject that forgiveness, despite being better people than others. That's just the way it goes.
Forgiveness isn't something you can reject. You may not forgive yourself, but that doesn't stop others from forgiving you.

No

So, when can I get a bukkake? I want your load.

Where do I start? i dont know any *real* pagans.

(as usual)
everyone dodges the simple questions

how did people get to heaven before Christianity????????????? (deeds?)

how do people who don't know about the teachings or His "grace" get to heaven? (deeds?)

(goodnight friend, *if you have to leave)

damn pol you really surprise me sometimes

>this
>this
>this
>this guy understands

Even the Japanese themselves haven't been Shinto for hundreds of years. It's just something they've kept up as wrote tradition.
The true believers in anything were Buddhist.

This.
You have to be a special type of retard to be a pagan.

heads up for all of you

I don't give shits, I just want this man's cock down in my throat, gagging me.

>believing in a higher power
user, the world is only you.

No. Fuck your gay pirate gods.

fuck off with your anti christian bs

>Gnostic

Literally Jewish witchcraft.

Basically, they achieved 'victory' (eternal life) by sheer force of autism. The doctrine of Grace is an entire semester worth of bullshit, but like I said, if you never know of Christ, but live unknowingly in a Christ-like manner (I.E not being a filthy degenerate) you're fookin' golden.

Original Sin also made this a lot more difficult, but I'm tired and the Catechism of the Catholic Church exists to answer your actually very good questions to a degree of doctrinal accuracy much higher than I can give you right now.

>The whole argument is about Catholic doctrine though.
No, the argument originated with me contesting part of The scope was open at that point. The fact that he mentioned the doctrine doesn't mean that any ensuing argument must accept that doctrine a priori.

>You can argue that you don't agree with it, or don't like it, but you can't call it a non sequitur when one actually does follow the other in catholic doctrine.
It's a non sequitur regardless of your beliefs; beliefs do not trump facts and reason.

Very interesting. Tell me more.

Go fuck yourself user. I'd rather breed with Saracen. than abandon the Holy Church

dumb larper

Fuck off.