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This Russian """"heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser"""" (skateboard carrier) comes toward your nations sea border what would you do?

>landlocked nations need not apply

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Send in one of those wildfire fighting planes to drop water down its chimney

Attach few escort destroyers and shitpost in mass media.

refuel that bitch

i heard the sanitations on board of this ship dont work really well if they work at all

do reconnaissance on my jet-ski and buzz them

I want to ride my skateboard and do a fucking kick flip off that thing.

Great my Slavic brothers with one hand waving the Russian flag and the other holding a blown up image of $hillary Clinton wearing a hijab and raping a little girl.

The swiss aircraft carrier fleet is nothing to scoff at mate.

>landlocked nations need not apply

Holy kek

Jews.

Little do people know, but everything we know is made of Jews.

>Electricity
Inside cables there are hundreds of tiny Jews 'high-fiving' each other and running around swapping messages. This transfer of messages allows things to work, e.g. the Jews in a plug socket tell the Jews in the wire, who eventually tell the Jews in (say) a kettle to fart in the water allowing it to boil.

>Atoms
Atoms are in fact minuscule Jews, all holding hands and feet etc together to form an intricate web from which nearly everything in the universe is comprised. Radioactivity occurs when a rebel Jew is catapulted by his friends from their structure. Should this Jew come into contact with the Jews from our body, he will offer them gold, thus making the local area either benign or malignant. Either way, just read: cancerous.

>Jews
So what are Jews themselves made up of? Surely they're not at the bottom of life, the universe and everything? They are in fact comprised of billions of even smaller Jews, known as super-Jews. They, in turn, are made up of billions of even smaller Jews known as hyper-Jews. Hyper Jews are the fundamental building blocks of everything. Though no one, to be honest, can yet be absolutely sure. Least of all, Jews themselves.

>Black Hole
So are Black Holes made of Jews too? In the very center of a Black Hole, it is theorized that there is a Jew filled with so much greed, that it has the power to bend space and time (which are made of Jews) in such a way that everything around itself gets sucked into the hands of the ultimate Jew.

Wave hello and wish em luck on blowing up shitskins in the middle east.

Send a fleet of Greepeace boats with admirals Nye, DiCaprio, and Gore to stop their pollution and global warming.

Drain the ENTIRE NORTH SEA

It looks even worse on the inside

>The netherlands builds a tactical dike at the scandinavian peninsula and traps the russian baltic sea navy

Do it.

Funfact:
It was reported as nuclear-powered carrier in our media.

If it was aggressive, sink it. Send the sailors to the concentration camps with the rest of the boat people trying to get into Australia. And politely, but firmly inform them to fuck off, we're full.

I honestly think Australia would be hard pressed to defeat a US Carrier Battle Group. But a Russian one? That's a different story.

Imagine how many dildos you could make out of this piece of steel made for nothing...

Fire my carrier killer missiles at it and sip wine as it sinks in the background.

Think you can fuck with the US?

They will not see this coming!

Suffocate from its exhaust pollution.

We have to check if there is fisk on there, or watch him all the way so he doesn't fisk.

nothing it will sink by itself

>That fucking smoke

Jesus that thing is a floating meme

Well I was in the navy before so I'd probably try to board it and hang out

You think they could at least slap a new coat of paint on it.

By sea border you mean the danube?

Wonder why they didn't attempt to put a nuclear reactor in it. I know they can do it easily.

fpbp

>a fucking ramp

They must jave shooped out the tugs and tow lines.

How do they even land when the runway is only 2x the size of a jet?

He was created in Ukraine. In Black Sea. You cannot transfer nuclear weapon or nuclear fueled ships throught Bosphorus.

Clearly, we would simply cry salty tears into the sea, and rust would the job for us in a couple of months ...

"TO ARMS MEN THE ORKS ARE COMING! FOR THE EMPEROR!"

They lost a plane THE DAY BEFORE launching airstrikes in Syria.

The first casualty from the first time a Russian aircraft carrier has ever seen combat, and it's probably because of the fucking ramp.

TOP KEK

Ramp bro checking in.
>ywn take your jets off of any sweet jumps.

True.

is there a better picture of that thing?

It looks janky as fuck in this one

If the hook connects with the cable it's enough to stop the plane mate, however the acceleration is like 6-7g so no pussies allowed.

Move to yet another new country

>2050
>What's left of the ocean is a small encolosed salt water pool in the center of the atlantic
>The rest of the world is owned by the Dutch Empire
>We could have stopped this

Can any militaryfags tell me why American carriers don't have ramps and all the other countries do? Whats the benefit/disadvantage of having a ramp?

its russian.....

Because they're expensive. Our jets are carried by bald eagles, a ramp would be a waste.

>AIM-9X
That's an anti air missile m8
Looks like some WH40K tier stuff

>comes toward your nations sea border what would you do?
Give them a ticket for being way over allowed carbon emmision limit

Australia's last Aircraft carrier. The Legendary based HMAS Melbourne has sunk more ships (non tugboat) than the Admiral Kuznetsov ever will. Granted, they were both friendly. But it's still 2-0.

Your carriers flight decks are long enough to not require a ramp.

Everyone else's carriers are decklets.
When will they learn.

We were originally going for catapults in a joint deal with France or something like that but the deal went south for one reason or another. Plus our parliament is full of bull dykes from Scotland who constantly try and gimp our military. Catapults are better but cost more and are harder to maintain as far as I'm aware.

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A catapult is actually incredibly hard on an aircraft's airframe, not to mention you're basing your aircraft carrier's ability to carry out its intended task on a piece of machinery that has a chance of failing.

If your catapult malfunctions or is damaged in battle, no aircraft flying.

Adding a ramp is fairly simple and has zero chances of it malfunctioning.

>HMAS Melbourne

> She was, however, involved in two major collisions with allied vessels. The first occurred on the evening of 10 February 1964, in which Melbourne rammed and sank the RAN destroyer HMAS Voyager when the latter altered course across her bow. 82 of Voyager's personnel were killed, and two Royal Commissions were held to investigate the incident. The second occurred in the early morning of 3 June 1969, when Melbourne also rammed and sank the United States Navy (USN) destroyer USS Frank E. Evans in similar circumstances. 74 American personnel died, and a joint USN–RAN Board of Inquiry was held. These incidents, along with several minor collisions, shipboard accidents, and aircraft losses, led to the reputation that Melbourne was jinxed

Truly the most bantz AC of them all. Aussie to the core

There is literally reason to have a ramp, Nimitz class can launch 2 aircraft in succession from the foward catapults while also recovering aircraft. Can launch 3 while not recovering. The rest of the worlds tubs of shit can only launch one, excluding vtol.

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Sit back and wait for the Russians to sink it herself. Shouldn't take too long

Deport all the refugees so that they can live safely in a more peaceful nation. Like, say, Israel perhaps?

Catspults won't work with damaged hydraulic system.
US conception is that it's impossible to hit a carrier. So they dont have armor and defensive weapon on carrier itself.

Russkie (carrier) have nukes right under the runway and heavy armor. Also analog electronics in case of nuclear HAPPENING.

Different goals - US carriers are for projecting power on some Niggerstans, but useless in big war with nukes.

Russian one is shit in case of projecting power, have shitty (((analog))) electronics and other tech, but it made for nuclear war.
So it is useless now.
Check out russian jets - they have electronics on A FUCKUNG VACUUM TUBES, even if main system is digital.

>Nuclear power
For every active nuclear carrier you need 3 more in refit/refuelling/traveling. For the 10 CVN's you have you only get 2 active, without the 11th you will have a gap soon where you will only have one on station.
10 Nuclear carriers
1 active.


>There is no US carrier operating today in the Middle East, a situation that is the product of several years of high-tempo operations and the need to catch up on major maintenance put off to sustain that pace. Carriers have been absent before, the last time was in 2007, but this gap has caught a lot of people's attention, even more so as another will occur in 2016 in the Pacific operating area.
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>When the carrier Theodore Roosevelt leaves the Persian Gulf this fall, U.S. Central Command will be without a flattop for as long as two months 2015
navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/30/richardson-hearing-confirmation-senate-mccain-gillibrand/30882305/


>The U.S. Navy is facing a looming shortage of aircraft carriers in the Western Pacific and the Middle East this year going without an aircraft carrier for months.
>“There is no easy way to take a ten-carrier force and operate it like you have sixteen, at some point the wheels will come off the cart.”
>In recent years the U.S. Navy’s carrier force has shrunk to only ten ships. The Navy is required to operate eleven carriers by law, but the Pentagon applied for a waiver to keep only ten ships in service.
>The gap between Enterprise’s retirement and Ford’s entry into service is much longer than anyone had anticipated. “It was supposed to be a fourteen-month gap at ten carriers and now the gap will be almost eight years
nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/us-navys-dangerous-carrier-shortage-the-pacific-14848

Catapults give planes more speed during takeoff, allowing them to carry more full and payload.

Ramps are cheaper and more reliable

>Shoot it with a harpoon gun
>Profit

I think you replied to the wrong post lad, I was bitching about ramps not nuclear propulsion

tell them we are full and need no more refugees

Well this is the problem with the steam catapult. I remember one of the US Carriers Nimitz or Carl Vinson I think undertook high tempo operations where they continuously launched for 19 hours straight.

Apparently according to the Chinese they'd only be able to do this for 24 hours until they couldn't launch anymore for a while and it exposed a vital flaw in the carrier design.

Tried to find a source but I guess google flushed it down the memory hole.

It's almost like the US military has been severely gimped purpose, thank fuck Trump one.

Truly a wonder. Nobody else has ever used carriers as ramming ships.

Ramps are highly efficient for their cost, they allow planes to take off with more fuel and more payload in rougher seas than on a flatop (without catapults)
Catapults are expensive, require a lot of maintenance as well as more operators to run them, which adds to cost.

Catapults do the job of launching aircraft with larger payloads and more fuel than ramps and so, catapults are superior.
However the difference between F-35B and the F-35C is not huge enough for any nation with B's to cry about it.

>A fucking ramp
Is just a meme and banter. Anyone who actually thinks ramps are a joke does not understand carrier operations and sortie ratios.

That's not from Russia, That quality looks like it is from Detroit.

One pic has fuck-tons of silver spray-paint. Not kidding. No difference except pic 2 looks a little better but is gommed up mechanically.

Lol it's the same thing for ramps too. Imagine a bomb hitting the ramp turning it into slag. The US carriers have a longer deck so they could still launch without catapult

is not so bad as it seems at first glance

Ramps decrease aircraft payload to 1/3rd that of a cat-launched craft.

Ramps save money but kinda eliminate what you were using an aircraft-carrier for in the first place.

>skateboard carrier
Lel, it's something new.

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I don't think ramps are a joke but putting them on flagship carriers intended for force projection is stupid. You are severely limiting your ability to get aircraft into the air quick and in abundence.

close the windows and put on the gas mask *HUST*

>severely limiting
>citation needed
For comparison the combat radius of a sea harrier is 540nm

> tfw never experiencing the thrill of carefully balancing yourself at the edge of the flight deck and releasing *) the brown stream into the ocean waters 50 meters below while planes are whizzing over your head
> *) not recommended on windy days

Best answer

The ramp causes extra stress on an airframe and landing gear on initial takeoff.

>Looks like some WH40K tier stuff
mfw russia is chaos space marines

you forget that US carriers also have massive escort fleets designed to protect it

kek heartily

Which means the also have to operate and pay for that huge fleet. Better armed carrier means less fleet required in ghetto-tier conflicts.

Russia is Orks

ABOARD THE HMS ILLUSTRIOUS
What's the definition of heaven if you're a Marine Harrier pilot? Why, spending two weeks on one of Britain's aircraft carriers, of course.

What's not to like? The flying's awesome, the food and quarters are great, and you can get a drink at the end of the day, said Maj. Stephan Poppy Bradicich, the executive officer of Marine Attack Squadron 542 who helped plan the unprecedented embarkation of 16 Harriers and 200 Marines aboard HMS Illustrious, known as 'Lusty' to its crew.

The largest-ever embark of Marine personnel and aircraft aboard a foreign warship July 15-31 was part of Joint Task Force Exercise Operation Bold Step 07-02 that included the Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower strike groups, to prepare Truman for its upcoming deployment.

The accommodations and food drew high marks from the Marines. They enjoyed everything from curry night to such traditional Royal Navy dishes as hammy eggy cheesy, toast layered with shredded ham, an egg and covered with melted cheese and kippered herrings along with eggs, bacon and beans for breakfast, or haggis and bashed neeps (mashed turnips) for dinner. The ship even features "Chips at Six", fresh french fries served in the bar before dinner.

Other pluses? A roomy, teak quarterdeck aft to take a quiet break or take in a sunset, beautifully varnished wooden ladders and generous carpeting (which are stripped when the ship goes into battle) and Internet connectivity that works every time.
But one of the most satisfying things is that the ship is a strike carrier where Harriers, not helicopters, are the priority.
This is the Royal Navy's A team, and they live and breathe strike, said Col. Eric 'Beans' Van Camp, the commanding officer of Marine Aircraft Group 14, who also commanded the U.S. air group aboard Illustrious. On a gator, the Harriers are secondary to the amphibious and helicopter mission.
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Then there is the piece de resistance, the 20-foot-long blond oak bar that is the centrepiece of a spacious lounge, part of the wardroom annex where off-duty officers can draw a pint, dram, cocktail, coffee or tea and reflect on the day and prepare for tomorrow.
Everyone's working really hard, but it's also OK to relax afterward with a beer, within the rules we live by, Van Camp said. The challenge is maintaining that balance between mission and safety.
If you're flying the next day, you're not drinking, nor are you staying up late, Bradicich said as he sipped a soft drink.

Its a great tool that we don't have, Bradicich said. On our ships, there's no place where you can really unwind, get to know your shipmates on a personal level, and solve disagreements. Our view is that if you have free time, you should be doing something other than hanging around. Here, everyone works just as hard, but they also know how to unwind. It's a huge philosophical difference.

That philosophical difference manifests in the relaxed atmosphere aboard the ship, including the relationship between officers and ratings, British for enlisted personnel.
Case in point? Expect a cheery 'good morning' as you make your way down the passage or an offer for help if you look lost. And in a welcome relief for the American contingent, the 1MC system doesn't crackle with announcements 24 hours a day, and the officers don't carry radios to contact one another or the captain.
When you have a third of the ship asleep at any given time, it doesn't make much sense to be waking them by blaring unnecessary announcements every few minutes, one British officer said.


In fact, the only announcement is from the operations centre that details the day's plan and tests important alarms. The only other time you hear the loudspeaker is when there's a problem, such as a fire or engineering casualty.
(cont2/4)

>Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue'snavywas "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional andsuicide attacksthat capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]

>At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed

Did you not read what I typed after severely limiting? What does range have anything to do with anything? Im arguing ramps are slower when deploying aircraft which I believe should be a large force projection carriers job, to put a fuck load of aircraft up quick. Leave the ramps for assault ships. Aircraft are the groups protection, ramps hinder that their slower deployment.

And why don't the officers carry radios like their American counterparts? What the bloody hell do you need a radio for? the British officer asked. You know the plan, what the captain's intentions and expectations are. As an officer, your job is to lead, and if you need to talk to the captain all the time, then you're not doing your job or letting him do his.

Another philosophical difference is that the British are open to ideas that to Americans seem goofy, but work, such as the 12-degree ramp at the bow of the ship that dramatically improves Harrier operations. Senior U.S. naval officers over the decades have vetoed the idea, saying they don't like how it looks and that it takes up three helicopter landing spots. British and Marine officers say only one deck spot is lost to the 'ski jump.

To a man, Marine pilots want the ramps installed on their ships to improve operational flexibility and safety.

We're all in love with the ski ramp because when you come off that ramp, you're flying, Bradicich said. From our ships, if you're fully loaded, you need 750 feet, and even then you've got some sink once you clear the deck. Here, you can do the same thing in 450 feet and you're climbing.

But the ramp is intimidating at first sight, pilots said.

I expected it to be violent, but when you take off, it's almost a non-event, said Maj. Grant 'Postal' Pennington, a pilot with VMA-513 at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Ariz. Up you go, and you're climbing. It's a great experience.

Equally important is the ship that's bolted to the ramp, pilots said.

Some of our guys who haven't flown from our ships yet are in for a big surprise when they do. This is probably the best ship you could possibly fly a Harrier from. Its not very big, but it's really stable, no roll, just a little pitch, not like the flat-bottom gators that roll so much. Youve got the island moving 30 feet in each direction when you're trying to land. That tends to get your attention.
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Put aside some money to buy some "trophies" from our guys there.

The combination of ski ramp, stability and dedicated crew contributed to a breakneck operational pace. The Marines proudly logged a ship record 79 takeoffs and landings in one day.

These guys are great. We've qualed 28 guys in three days, most with eight landings and takeoffs, so even though we said that we were going to crawl, walk, run, our pace has been tremendous, even with different procedures, Pennington said. We like to approach the ship at 45 degrees and hit one of the spots, but they approach from dead astern, come to a hover abeam, slide over, then drop down to the deck. It's different, but you get the hang of it.

The only downside? The thought that we're going to have to get off, Bradicich said.
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You do realise the reason HMS Queen Elizabeth was designed the way she is, and the reason the Nimitz class is being retired in favour of the Ford class is because Sortie generation rate is what is important now, not how quickly you can get a plane into the air, but how quickly you can and and get it back up.
And keep doing it
over and over and over.

Welcome home our flagship?

Admiral Kuznetsov is definitely belongs Nurgle ,legion of death guard probably, governeth it Putinus the Traveller.

> NATO cucks seriously thinking this coal boat have strike capabilities and was desighned to attack someone

Relax kiddo. This is just a barge for not forgetting what naval aviation is. The only mission it is capable is to cover fleet in coastal waters.

Send out rescue units.

Then why does the Ford class still have 4 cats and no ramp? Even though cats are electromagnetic now. It still retains its ability to lauch aircraft quicker than its ramped counter parts probably even moreso with the extra deck space with the smaller island.