What are your final thoughts on Whor and FalCap

There’s nothing wrong with Sam as Cap but they could have done without the whole “CAPTAIN AMERICA IS BLACK NOW!” publicity thing. He was probably the best legacy character during that wave because it was a natural progression of his character. I wish his tenure as Cap lasted longer but I’m glad he’s back as Falcon because a black dude shouldn’t need to take on a white mantle to get ahead.

I really like Whor and believe she gave us the best Thor runs we’ve had in years. I understand why they did the whole name thing and it does make canonical sense(if you’re still pretending you don’t get it, then I’ll give you props for playing retarded this long). With that said, they did double down too hard on the “SHE is THE Thor now!” angle. Again the whole publicity thing was shitty.

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I like Sam as Falcon better. Jane was just a shitshow and a bunch of mental gymnastics and only had "Thor being a woman" going for it, which wasn't much

Interesting concepts ruined by shitty writers.

Sam Wilson as Captain #BlackLivesMatter was shit and Nick Spencer is a shitty writer.

Edgy

I was so excited for Sam Wilson because of Remender’s run. Then Spencer ruined everything.

Nothing wrong with Sam Cap, pic related arc by Rick Remender was great.
The problem was entirely with Spencer & his strawmaning soap box.
>I really like Whor and believe she gave us the best Thor runs we’ve had in years
Absurd I say that as someone who likes Whor and her run, she was better then The Accursed arc (mainly because of the poor Garney art) and the Tanarus stuff but otherwise no.
Thor honestly hasn't been bad or even poor since his return in 2007. Fraction gets crap but there was some damn good stuff in his run (kid loki, everything burns)

One of the first things they did with FalCap was inverting him into an asshole in Sixis. It badly compromised him from the very start, I never went back to reading his stuff.

>“CAPTAIN AMERICA IS BLACK NOW!”
This is literally the only thing you can do with FalCap, and the only reason anyone wants him to wear the suit.

I think chronologically Falcon should never be Captain America, if anyone besides Steve it should be Bucky since he kind of fits this era perfectly. If you want to to a black Captain America I don't outright HATE it, but do somebody else.

>Sixis

I love how this caught on.

Falcon unironically deserves to succeed Steve more than Bucky.

I think they would have been better off with a different white man being cap than having cap falcon. Black men are incapable of representing America

I think FalCap happened because they wanted to test the waters after seeing how much people liked Anthony Mackie's Falcon and how well he worked with Cap in The Winter Soldier

But it's one of those things that didn't translate that well because 616 and MCU definitely are not a 1:1 thing

It's not that Sam is a bad choice, even as a Black man. But race relations is a very nuanced problem, and writers these days cannot deal with subtlety, nuanced issues, or issues in general with any hint of intelligence. Under a better political climate, with better writers, Sam would have been a GREAT Captain America. But the deck was stacked against him from the start.

That said, I prefer BuckyCap just because.

Yeah, but why can't he just be The Falcon? It's his thing, and it works

>Black men are incapable of representing America

Your country elected a black man twice to lead you and he was infinitely better than the shitshow you have now.

Obama was the worst president we had since the president who threw people in concentration camps because they had slanty eyes.

Sam would have been fine, if he wasn't black. Black people are unable to represent all Americans. He was Captain America of only black people where as Steve is Captain America of all Americans.

Keep telling yourself that you divorced from reality ass mother fucker - news.grabien.com/story-exclusive-complete-guide-scandals-obama-administration

>Obama was the worst president we had since the president who threw people in concentration camps because they had slanty eyes.
Haha, imagine actually thinking this.

Do I really have to bring up the multitude of scandals Trump has already been apart of?

Do I really?

It's not a matter of deserving, it's a matter of interesting. There's just not that much to Sam when compared to Bucky, even when he's in the cowl.

I never understood how Falcon could be as cool as Cap, Sam doesn't have any of Cap's powers, does he? I never thought it would work right.

He's a troll trying to derail the thread.

No idea about Captain Falcon. He probably would have been fine if Marvel didn't try to force the SJW shit for publicity. He actually was qualified to act as temp Cap considering the long association. Whor sucked. Jane was a shitty choice to take up Mjolnir. Her run was full of retcons, asspulls and character derailments. All it had was good art and tons of marketing.

>POTUS has scandals

Wow kid, did you just discover politics?

Jane Thor, beyond her 2014 mini (which was admittedly a dumpster fire) didn't turn out to be awful, but at the same time she was above and beyond the absolute weakest part of Mighty Thor. The fact that Aaron is only bothering to try and give her some depth in her final story arc (seriously, this is the first time in four years she's even mentioned her husband and son) is testament to how half-baked the entire thing is. From start-to-end it just feels like Aaron went in to this without the slightest idea what he wanted to do with it, and thought that things would just occur naturally, and is only pulling the plug now that he's realized he's just spinning the wheels for no reason anymore.

>deserves
The first thing the real Cap would do is point out that's irrelevant.

Well considering he's told Hawkeye, Bucky, and Sam that they all deserve to be Cap at some point, I'm going to say you're wrong.

He had the worst economic growth of any president and caused a massive divide in the country that only now Trump is fixing. Obama set race relations in the USA back 60+ years he was so divisive.

They were both elected based on the same reasons (circus publicity) and both have been wrecking things in their own way (race relations versus bumbling).

lmao.

One of those things where powers don't define heroism.

>He told Hawkeye he deserves to be Cap.
fucking kek that guy can't even keep his wife from being fucked over which was, ironically, retconned to be even more shit

...

No but you have to be present results if you're a symbol of heroism. Otherwise you're just failing.

I'm not doing it, I'm not taking the bait, I wont.

I mean, Obama wasn't near as bad as the other user was saying, but whenever you look into the shit he actually did, yeah he wasn't too hot. Granted, no modern president has been worth much, in Obama's defense. If it weren't for 9/11 then Baby Bush might have been able to do good things with his Presidency, especially with regards to immigration law. He was a goofy fucker and he had no business tromping around the Middle-East like a fool(should have been as surgical a campaign as possible), but he had some really good ideas domestically before the WTC collapse. 9/11 really brought out the worst in the Federal Government. It hasn't really recovered.

I'm going to do my best to forget about their runs (outside of Remender's bonkers 6 issue mini) and recommend to people other Thor and Cap stories to enjoy.

If you took Obamacare and the race baiting out of it he could have been an above-average president. But you can't. Because he deliberately chased those things.

>caused a massive divide in the country that only now Trump is fixing.
>This is a thing people believe.

Even disregarding that, the fact that he got the Nobel Peace Prize as a freebie just becomes even more insulting after looking at what he did in the Middle East after receiving it.

This

Well, he was thrown that. I blame the committee more than him. Though if he did turn it down he would have gained points from it. But he didn't. Which, funny enough, defines most of his presidency. Free wins were thrown at him and his failures were all attributed to someone else.

Not 764 of them.
Most of Trumps blown out of proportion to a genuinely psychotic degree by a media determined to present him as mother fucking Hitler.
And only 2 of Trump's scandles cost lives, Obama actively armed and built ISIS for years.

If there wasn't a huge divide and hatred for Obama, how did Trump win the presidency?

>his base thinks he'll unite a nation
>it might just be Korea instead of the USA

The absolute mad man.

I don't agree Trump is able to fix it as it's clear as day that the Media and Liberals have learned fucking nothing.
But yes the Obama's absolutely divided the nation like it hasn't been since the early 70s.
They actively supported BLM who SHOOT AT FUCKING FIRE FIGHTERS - firerescue1.com/Arson-Investigation/articles/116599018-Firefighters-shot-at-while-putting-out-blazes-in-Milwaukee-riots/

Gee, Hydra. Why does Marvel let you have TWO Red Skulls?

There was hatred for Hillary.

Whor was a shit-tier taken almost to it's zenith, before being BTFO by America Chavez in awfulness points. Falcon Cap had a shitty costume, and was just another SocJus race swap for diversity points from a bunch lattee-sipping fuccbois.

This is entirely true. Libshits be retards, user, it's why they don't understand that Obama's neo-Marxist horseshit ended up raping the Democratic Party in the smaller races, such as governorships and State Senates. That said, I do have to laugh at your imbecilic belief that Trump is "healing" the racial divide when he gave credence to the group of tiki-torch wielding retards of the Alt-Right. That's not "healing it", that's making it worse. Especially when he consistently refuses to utterly and vociferously shitcan them.

I think he has a chance of uniting regular people and regular Dems/Repubs.
Problem is the fringe elements will keep screaming bloody murder and act as if nothing has changed no matter what he does.
CNN continues to prove this hourly, they literally have accused Trump of timing this Korea stuff perfectly to distract from the Stomy Daniels bullshit.

Sam's original Remender run made me wonder how the hell Cap was able to fight Hydra without the power of flight. Or at the very least a grappling hook.

Trump won because they were tired of career politicians lying straight to someone's face and getting away with obvious crimes and fuck ups. Same reason Reagan won.

I would just like to thank Natalie Portman for leaving the MCU so we'll never have a Whor movie.

Who was Obama 2.0. Also how do you explain the total ass kicking the dems got in the house and senate 2010 onwards?

Remember the "scandal" about him feeding fishes?

Obviously he is brokering peace on the Korean peninsula to distract from the golden showers he got by Stormy in Russia

>when he gave credence to the group of tiki-torch wielding retards of the Alt-Right. That's not "healing it", that's making it worse. Especially when he consistently refuses to utterly and vociferously shitcan them.
He never gave them credence and he has denounced them to the point that this fucking happened - huffingtonpost.com/entry/david-duke-trump-charlottesville_us_5991d6bae4b08a2472764798

The Liberals and CNN are the ones tearing the devide harder by diminishing and dismissing whenever he has repeatedly denounced racist and exaggerate his missteps to insane fucking degrees.

He had no choice on Charlottesville, he could not pick one side over another, Antifa have flown the flag of the Soviet Union (who killed more people then the nazis) and wave signs saying "all my heroes kill cops".

>gave credence to the group of tiki-torch wielding retards of the Alt-Right
When did he do this, again? Or does your news come from Facebook?

Yes. Also TWO SCOOPS

He didn't do it in a timely fashion, and when he did do it, it was lukewarm and fucking lazy like reading off of a teleprompter. Cruz, Lee, and many other Republicans were vastly faster and more brutal on the racist scum than Trump was.

Where do you think you are?

He was fake as fuck and a day or two later backflipped and said what he really thought anyway

Wait, you're saying he DID denounce them but it doesn't count because you didn't like it? So all you're doing is proving correct? That you're crazy and exaggerating everything as far as you can?

>He had no choice on Charlottesville, he could not pick one side over another, Antifa have flown the flag of the Soviet Union (who killed more people then the nazis) and wave signs saying "all my heroes kill cops".
Yes he fucking could. He could have called out the racist retards and lumped them in with the Antifa Fascists, and denounced both of them for being goose-stepping neo-troglodytes. Instead, he pussed out like a weenie boy.

Not Sup Forums. Also, not Drudge.

No, I'm saying it didn't count because it was weaker than geriatric piss or the Amazing Atheist's cock.

>No, I'm saying it didn't count because it was weaker than geriatric piss or the Amazing Atheist's cock.
So it didn't count because you didn't like it. Just making sure.

>He could have called out the racist retards and lumped them in with the Antifa Fascists
You know who you NEVER hear denouncing them? Clinton. Or any Democrat, really.

antifa rules

I love Whor, she is hot, her stories are good, and the art too. But I can understand the hate for muh cancer and her replacing the real Thor.

Also, why the fuck am I so often banned for posts on fucking Sup Forums?

>Anti Fascist Fascists

>and denounced both of them
He did when he said there was bad on both sides.

She didn't even replace him, it's not as if he was dead and gone

He's not wrong, though. Just because they call themselves anti-fascist doesn't mean they're not fascist. They do EVERYTHING a fascist does, including the brown shirt bullshit Germany pulled.

>Also, why the fuck am I so often banned for posts on fucking Sup Forums?

Sup Forums actually has mods, so I assume you shitposted, asked for someone to spoonfeed you sources, or used a Pepe/Wojack reaction image.

Yes, they have become closer to what they hate then those they accuse of being what they hate.
Because they and many Liberals today are obsessed with labeling people they disagree with and will drop "racist' or "fascist" in a fucking heart beat over fucking nothing.

Eh, Obama expanding the executive powers was pretty bad. I told my friends that at the time too and they were like 'NOOoooOO! OBAMA GOOD! DONT BE STOOPID!' Then first thing Trump does in the White House is take advantage of the expanded executive powers to shit on the judiciary (admittedly the judiciary was acting out of line but there are proper channels for dealing with that sort of thing) and when he did those same friends were like 'WHAT NO HE SHOULDNT BE ABLE TA DO DIS HOW COULD DIS HAPPAN D: ??'

That's when I realized that, despite being wonderful people and quite intelligent in certain aspects of life, my friends should not be allowed to vote.

I'm also a big critic of how Obama handled unemployment, but admittedly that's because I'm originally from rural America and his plan for unemploymemt specifically shat on rural America by design. It wasn't even good long term for the cities but they at least did see a little action. Mostly it just put up pretty numbers that didn't actually represent economic growth, but looked really good on a chart next to 'YES WE CAN 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO!'

Granted, once again, Obama is hardly the first politician to pull shit like this. Well, the executive powers bit was pretty bad, but even there he's hardly the only politician in recent years to unnecessarily expand the government's power. In short, the guy had a nice speaking voice, a pretty smile, and a backstory that a lot of people wanted to believe in. Wasn't a great leader or a skilled politician.

As for Trump, well, it's hard to even honestly know what the deal is with this guy. Is he fucking insane? Is he just an ends-based player in a media circus? Is he deepening corruption? Is he combating corruption? What's up with the FED? Twitter wars with Best Korea? It's a fucking unprecendented puzzle and to make matters worse the American news media is at its lowest point in the history of television and is completely incapable of getting a handle on the situation.

>He denounced them. But I didn't like it so it doesn't count. But ignore the people calling it bad are the ones who support the ones that support Antifa.
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>You know who you NEVER hear denouncing them? Clinton. Or any Democrat, really.
And that means we ignore them... why? I don't care if the Democrats don't do it, they have no moral standards. They are sleazy, of course they aren't going to call out their fellow "comrades".

>He actually believes a group using Fascist identity politics and doing everything from Uncle Benito's playbook isn't "Fascist".
I'm betting you think "The People's Republic of China" is a "republic" and not a brutal dictatorship, right?

Which is why it was weak as piss. Single both of them at the same time for being shitbags, by name, and list why they are both scum. Not that fucking hard.

>Not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee.

>You take a look at some of the groups and you see and you would know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases, you are not. Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. This week, it is Robert E. Lee and this week, Stonewall Jackson. Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop? You take a look. The night before. They were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee.

Do you know why that lends credence to a bunch of racist assholes? Because they, as a group, were fine marching next to Nazi flags. The Charlottesville tiki brigade isn't suddenly not racist because a few of them were just there to protect a statue. You march with Nazis, you are a Nazi. And the President said that was fine.

>i shouldn't have freedom of speech in a country based on that principle
Yet these "Nazi" aren't the violent ones. Go figure.

Remember when a bunch of black guys dressed up like the KKK to pretend to support Trump?

Remember when the graffiti after the race riot in Seattle was proven to be a false flag?

Remember when the alt-right didn't exist until the media spammed the term day and night?

It's really quite simple: you have the freedom to be a Nazi, and everyone with even a sliver of morality has the freedom to think you're a complete fucking scumbag and waste of oxygen that should be among the first to be strung up on your mythical never-gonna-fucking-happen "Day of the Rope".

Actually, they were both being violent and starting shit. They were both collectivist scum.

>I should be allowed to kill you!
Gee, why would we think you're a violent threat to civilized life again?

>Democrats keep pushing for more socialism, just like Nazis.
>But they're not the Nazis don't hate them.

How does the President denouncing a hate group infringe on freedom of speech?
Are you saying the whole Unite the Right rally was a false flag?

Funny was just talking to a Black co-worker of mine and he mentioned something like this as to why he wouldn't stand for the American flag or anthem

>Unite the Right
How dare the assemble (which is a right).

>How does the President denouncing a hate group infringe on freedom of speech?
Next post you'll go back to arguing how this denouement doesn't actually count.

I never use Sup Forums and that lost wasn't mine. Plus it didn't seem to me that post was wrong. It was just ">implying he is wrong".

Take your medication, you're not even coherent anymore.

Where did that user's post say they weren't Nazis? Stop being retarded.

Gotta love that co-opting you Sup Forums shits do. So very Leftist. Racist scum have no place in a genuine, American Conservative movement. The "Unite the Right" was another racist co-opting done by shitbags like Milo and Richard Spencer, both of whom only have a platform because the Left shines a light on them, and then you retards rush to defend them from "the left", when you should be saying, clearly and loudly, that "they are not a part of my movement and do not slander me by grouping me with such scum". Ben "The Communist Castrator" Shapiro does it regularly, why can't you?

My only regret is that Beta Ray Bitch never caught on as a moniker for Jane and that she came too early on the scene to be labelled THOT for the entirety of her run.

This is correct.
This is shit.

>it sure is a shame that she was never given this less funny nickname, or this other, even less funny nickname

Coates won't allow a SamSteve bromance will he?

No, instead he's going to write Steve as an intolerant bigot who goes around punching "darkies" for giggles, like how Coates made Black Panther into a racist douchebag.

And it's going to be just as insufferable as the "Heil Hydra" run.

>Milo
>same camp as Spencer

That was Spencer's plan, and Marvel put the kibosh on it before he could pull the trigger.

I'm not sure what Coates is going to do but they're probably going to rein him in pretty hard.

I thought he was gonna be #CaptainWhiteGuilt

Both would be insufferable.

Well, Steve is from the 40's, so it would make more sense for Coates to portray him as an evil racist who constantly whines about "niggers", despite Captain America never being a racist asshole. Because Coates doesn't understand America, and thinks it's a racist hellhole of oppression and death.