I understand where Star is coming from and appreciate she's going through a bit of an emotional moment but if I were Queen Moon I'd be more than a little bit pissed off when she said "We're nobody". >Hey, remember that time my Mom wasn't murdered, the enemy forces weren't at our doorstep and I didn't have to take on the responsibility of running an entire country? No, me fucking neither.
Where do you think they're going to go with this plotline?
Star shouldn't worry, a lot of Royal Families get started by someone just being in the right place at the right time. See Henry Tudor.
Cameron Perez
I hope the writers kept this in mind. Being royalty ain’t as easy as it seems.
Easton Perry
In addition to what wrote, Star's family from her father's side aren't magical wizard monsters, but are still royalty, and thanks to her mom marrying her dad, that still makes Star royalty. She's thus still a princess.
Oliver Rogers
Star is a fucking child so of course she's going to exaggerate and make a situation look worse than it is. Reality is that the Festivia Butterfly family has ruled for centuries and Moon literally saved a country on the brink of destruction, no amount of lineage faggotry will change that
Hunter Robinson
Lineage notwithstanding, the Butterfly after Festivia have more than likely intermarried with other nobility for years so while Star isn't a direct Butterfly descendant, acting like her family has no significant heritage is fucking stupid but its a kids cartoon so what can you do
Andrew Jones
Everyone on Team Star has a crisis and runs off, then as everything is all fucked up Meteora rolls in with her crew and takes over. MHC probably get imprisoned too
That seems to be where its going along with Star moaning about not being a "real" queen which is kinda bullshit considering what she and her mother have done
It would be nice if someone like Buff Frog told her that
Jaxon Wright
Yeah, at the end of the day 'royalty' is pretty much just a title and concept. There are plenty of monarchs, kings and emperors who got where they were by straight-up murdering their predecessor and stealing their throne out from under them. Hell, William the Conqueror is venerated as the first 'proper' king of England, and he only got his position by invading the island and killing the then-king because he totally promised to actually give William the throne in private but reneged, honest!
Jace Nguyen
Perhaps there's some ancestral law in the kingdom of Mewnie that the ruler shall only be a female of the Butterfly blood line >nary shan't a man withoutet a strong independent (note spelling) woman of ye butterfly blood who needeth nary a man sithet on ye throne of ye kingdometh of Mewnie >every female nary of ye sacred butterfly blood shall henceforth be knowneth as a harlot and be called a terrible frenchman >so sayeth our scriptures that we wrothet just this afternoon
Jayden Perez
This. What the fuck happened? I only watched the season 3 premiere, has it really gone diwn hill so fucking much?
Season one Star wouldn't care. If anything she'd be happy to be free from the pressures of being a proper princess.
What the fuck is this CW Freeform teen drama bullshit?
James Foster
>being upset that the protagonist has grown since season 1 and has decided to act more responsible
Austin Watson
Billy had an actual claim beyond that that was just as strong as Harrys.
Robert Phillips
Apparently the previous king, Edward the Confessor, had a habit of being indecisive on his succession to the point of promising it to whoever. At least, that's what I took away from what I've read.
Brody Gutierrez
You hve defended that world far more than any other person has. Yes, you are the royals wether that Eclipsa bitch agrees or not.
Nathan Jenkins
Being royalty means that people look up to her, and that would allow her to change people into stop being bigoted monster haters.
Kayden Cooper
I bet that's how they're going to play it. >People of Mewni, we're not actually the King and Queen. >Yeah you are, get back on that throne.
Asher Ramirez
Heck, it's not like Eclipsa even cares if Star and Moon are the rightful rulers or not. She just doesn't want to be stuck inside a crystal for a few centuries again. And she's most likely not going to try to steal the throne. She abandoned it when she went on to have her affair with a monster king after all.
Dylan Long
Why it matters? Royal claims for the right to rule are bullshit anyway. Her been normal only proves everybody can do magic and she is more special for her accomplishments than from a blood royal lineage.
She can still claim the right of the victor, but I don't think Star is the type of person who would justify her reign by it.
>Has magic she can use without a wand >Has a super saiyan butterfly form she can activate at will >Basically created an entire realm of magic >We're nobody!
Shit doesn't royalty basically start from some strong guy and his crew take / conquer a bunch of stuff or do something super awesome that everyone follows them?
She's "royal" enough
Jaxson Thompson
Star's family has been royalty long enough to make it official.
Brayden Ortiz
Royal bloodlines are stupid and just a justification for a fascist type of government. Star realizing she is nothing special is the best I could happen to her. Still, she should give the wand to Meteora, even if she decide to still rule Mewni.
Jose Baker
And she gave birth to a sadistic half breed. Wonder how she would feel if someone told her that Meteora is a cunt and that the reason is because of her monster side (wether is truth or not, is irrevelant, the damage is already done).
Alexander Turner
Normally, it would be, and most likely, Star's bloodline won't really matter too much. But in some other fantasy settings, the bloodline might actually matter and even be tied to the lands.
Jonathan Mitchell
I wanna fill Queen Moon's adorably chubby cheeks with my genital juices as I slobber all over her lavender-scented asshole
I take it you're going to give away your parents estate when they die right?
Jacob Hall
>the bloodline might actually matter maybe in a symbolic manner, not in an actual genetic reason. This episode only proves commoner can actually use magic, and the cheek symbols and transformation is just thanks to magic exposure. It would be more interesting for Star to realize the type of government she represents, than her finding a royal lineage to justify her reign.
>Season one Star wouldn't care. If anything she'd be happy to be free from the pressures of being a proper princess. I'm sorry have you actually been watching this show or have you not realized that entire attitude was something she grew out of
Michael Walker
So what about the cheekmarks that no one else in Mewnie seem to have? What about the "Eclipsa-like magic prodigy" stuff Star has going on?
I agree this whole "we are nobodies" shit makes no sense whatsoever. Not to mention what gives more right for Eclipsa's family to rule than to anyone else's?
Dylan Campbell
Man everybody's so caught up on this line and not the actual major point of the MHC manipulating an entire royal line for centuries
Jacob Carter
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Connor Torres
Nothing in terms of our perspective but Meteora's probably going to make a claim by either monster force or getting the people on her side somehow (also with monster force)
John Rivera
>Not to mention what gives more right for Eclipsa's family to rule than to anyone else's? Because everyone in Mewny just accepts that the Butterfly family is supposed to be in charge, so nobody tries to rise to power. You take that away and people realize just how arbitrary the monarchy is. Then the leadership system falls apart.
Jaxson Butler
Eclipsa's family most likely rightfully murdered, subjugated and conquered the monster lands. Like a true warrior family.
Easton Gutierrez
>Not to mention what gives more right for Eclipsa's family to rule than to anyone else's? that's the point, their right to rule as well Star's is bullshit.
Ryder Price
It's not as much manipulating as in doing one thing that had consequences for a long while. They don't have the capacity to manipulate hedge plant into proper form.
Plus if it was the reigning king's wish to have a different heir, then what do they have to do with it other than not telling something really insignificant to them?
William Jenkins
Oh boy... a new age of Monster hate and all because of a monster lover.
Delicious.
Jonathan Russell
The episode, along with Deep Dive, proved that magic isn't inherit with a bloodline, but just with whoever holds the wand for long enough. The concept of royalty isn't as set in stone as it looks like
David Walker
Plus, there's probably still some negative feelings toward the family from the whole "The Queen lied to us" thing and "Kingdom almost got destroyed by rats" thing not to mention Mewni canonically being a complete shithole
Brody Rodriguez
>Plus if it was the reigning king's wish to have a different heir It was also in the MHC's interest to not have a half-monster baby have a magic wand too though. The Shastican guy just wanted nothing to do with it and the MHC didn't want that power getting in the hands of a monster. Win-win
Nathan Carter
Exactly. It was technically a decision on succession by the reigning royal line.
Jacob Anderson
It was but I'm just also saying it was mainly an MHC decision to keep that lie as well to keep the royal line controllable
Grayson Gutierrez
To be honest, it kinda looked like so far that the Royal line does whatever the fuck it pleases
Bentley Campbell
>Shastican >reigning royal line. from what line is he anyway? the Butterfly family is the one who rules Mewni.
Jonathan Scott
Glossaryck must have known.
Gavin Perez
Plus, the kingdom was founded by a bunch of peasant farmers who got magically transformed into knights to slaughter the monsters of the time. The first Butterfly queen would've been a peasant whose only claim to royal status was that Glossaryck gave her the wand.
Charles Gray
>The first Butterfly queen would've been a peasant whose only claim to royal status was that Glossaryck gave her the wand. Well generally that's how it works in this case.
Too many of you guys were thinking in terms of royal succession in real life terms and not in magic terms or "might makes right" terms. Heck, Ludo almost became king
Kayden Campbell
>The first Butterfly queen would've been a peasant whose only claim to royal status was that Glossaryck gave her the wand Wait, do we even know where the wand is from? Did Glossaryck made the wand, or the wand made Glossaryck?
Ethan Howard
So is this the new thread?
Justin Scott
heck who even owns the wand, is assigned to the royal family by Glossaryck? or the first Butterfly made it?
Justin Wood
So one thing I've always wondered about is where her Dad was while all this is going on.
Probably. The "does this song make me gay thread didn't spark much discussion as much a flood of opinions on the outro song.
Lincoln Lewis
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Cameron Martinez
If you just want a general hang out place where the theme of the club is Star vs. the forces of evil, there's already another thread. This here is a normal discussion thread specifically about a topic .
Ethan Foster
Yeah no
Wyatt Nguyen
His point still stands - a sword is a valid claim to the throne.
Lucas Rivera
I don't think Star is the type who will use that type of justification.
Mason Sullivan
It's okay for mewmans to kill and conquer other mewmans. It's not mewmans killing and stealing monster lands. Now that would be bigoted and racist.
Jack Fisher
Well star vs is a kid show but if it happen that you have no legitmarcy in the real medieval you either kiss pope feet and beg him to recognize you, or prepare to get butchered by neighbours and your vassals.
Michael Sanders
Does anyone got a Mega or Google Drive link of the current episode?
>he only got his position by invading the island and killing the then-king And, you know, by being the first cousin of the previous king, Edward the Confessor.
Hunter James
I wonder what Lekmet would have asked.
I wonder how Glossaryck would review this situation, considering his attitude towards Eclipsa and her chapter back when he was sane.
I wonder what Eclipsa thinks about Star having created the new source of magic.
Charles Nelson
Probably
Carson James
In my opinion the following would have happened
>Lekmet: *translated from goat* Did you truly believe that "He" loved you? He of course being the demon
>Glossaryck would probably not give a damn now
>Maybe excited, maybe indifferent
Nolan Jones
Not through a royal ancestor, though.
Edward the Confessor's mom was William the Conqueror's great aunt., her name was Emma of Normandy.
Emma of Normandy wasn't descended from the Kings of England, only the Dukes of Normandy. Therefore William couldn't have claim the throne of England through lawful descent (or descent at all). If anything, *Edward* had a claim on Normandy.
>I wonder how Glossaryck would review this situation,
In Page Turner when he visits the MHC he mentions "your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandmother Eclipsa", so he was either in on the ruse or mindwiped.
Joseph Diaz
Or he played along with the ruse because he felt like it.
Or Meteora had a kid at some point, and one of her descendants married into the current Butterfly family and thus Eclipsa actually is still Moon's ancestor.
"Ever wondered what's inside The Magic Book of Spells? It contains every spell you've ever seen on the show, plus the history of Mewni, as told by thirteen queens. Each chapter is full of secrets, magic, and notes from Star Butterfly! This fun-packed, full-color jacketed hardcover version of The Magic Book of Spells will give fans of Star Vs the Forces of Evil all the inside information. . . and a chance to meet four never-seen-before queens. Plus, the book jacket doubles as an exclusive Mewberty Wings tarot card poster!"
My question is, are these "thirteen queens" ALL of the queens to date? If so, that would mean the original Butterfly dynasty only lasted for three generations, with Eclipsa's grandmother being the original queen. While Moon is the tenth generation of the new dynasty.
Juan Sullivan
>That would mean the original Butterfly dynasty only lasted for three generations? How long did Festivia last as a queen anyway?
Kayden Foster
Star Moon Comet Celena Festivia Eclipsa Solaria Solena Skywynne
Yes, we know 9 of them.
Jace Morales
Think we'll see them in action, even in flashbacks?
Dominic Sullivan
>thirteen queens S4 will rip off Saint Seiya and have Star fight off the 12 queens to save Moon.
Gabriel Powell
Her head angle and the line behind her makes it look like she's hanging herself
Samuel Flores
William is true King of England you Saxon Dog. Death to Usurpers.
Evan Reed
Maybe we'll see Festivia in Meteora's upcoming flashbacks. The rest, probably not.
Thomas Evans
You know royality is extremely important in medieval society
Aiden Russell
Who did Shastacan married while raising Festivia again?
Dominic Turner
Not to mention, William was illegitimate. His mother was some girl that the previous Duke of Normandy fucked and never bothered to marry. So he was only even nobility because King Henry I of France didn't like William's cousin Guy and thus even putting a bastard in place as Duke of Normandy was preferable.
Dominic Brown
Who knows. Maybe nobody. He was claiming that Festivia as his daughter with Eclipsa, so it wouldn't really matter if Shastacan remarried.
Thomas Hill
Nothing in there says that the 13 queens are all the queens of Mewni. It just said that the book contained "the history of Mewni, as told by thirteen queens."
It just talks about 13 queens. Not every Queen of Mewni is worth mentioning. There have been 43 monarchs in England since William the Conqueror, and I don't think most English people bother knowing the history more than a handful of them.
Bentley White
Edward the Confessor publicly declared William his heir.
Zachary Howard
The best one was Edward I
Luke Butler
there was that crazy guy who was in Hamilton, there was that guy what in the tower killed two of his nephews, the guy with six wives, the virgin queen, the one who abdicated to marry an American, the one in King's Speech, and the current one, Queen Elizabethan Secundus, yeah?
that's all I know. Oh, also there's that guy who pulls swords outta stones
Henry Foster
True, it could just be a selection of 13 "important" queens.
I do hope we get a Butterfly family tree out of this, though.
Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous. Even if Festivia is an upstart she was still crowned queen, she reigned and held the wand, and Star's bloodline has sat on the throne for over 300 fucking years, they have the butterfly form and all that.
"Nobody" is a bit of a stretch. Okay, you only have 300 years of Queens as direct ancestors instead of, idk, 500 years or however long ago the original Butterflies showed up to conquer the land. It doesn't change that much.
Angel Allen
>So what about the cheekmarks that no one else in Mewnie seem to have? Has anything really been said about them? They could be anything. They could be artificial to begin with, like magic tattoos.
>What about the "Eclipsa-like magic prodigy" stuff Star has going on? Who says only a royal could be good at magic?
>Not to mention what gives more right for Eclipsa's family to rule than to anyone else's? Because that's their ideology.
Dylan Roberts
I mean most likely her actual great-grandmas have been marrying royalty from neighbouring kingdoms too for generations, it's not just her father's royal blood in her veins.
Star's being an overly dramatic brat
Jacob Hall
>Star's being an overly dramatic brat How out of character.
Anthony Campbell
Sure looks like Eclipsa's plan to manipulate 'rebel' princess Star into giving up the throne because of teen feelings is super working.
Blake Wright
am a bit confused as to why 1: Star and her family can turn into bug people 2: Star and her family have an affinity to magic (dipping down and such) 3: Star and her family have permanent symbol cheek marks