Why is he unworthy?

Why is he unworthy?

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>still a virgin

Because they were fucking around at a party. It wasn't serious. But it still moved. This scared Thor.

because the hammer detected homo

Because it triggered Odin's spell of 'might possibly turn out like Hela'.

Because he believes himself to be unworthy.

because he sold out his morals over "muh bucky"

But he was right in Civil War

He is american.

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Self doubt mixed with his decline in lethal force?

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Bucky was innocent though. The whole movie was about him doing what he thought was right no matter how difficult that was.

You guys are fucking dumb. He obviously COULD lift it, but he didn't want to embarrass Thor at the party

He hadn't shared the truth about Tony's parents' deaths with him yet at that point.

He was attempting to lift it for the wrong reason/wrong circumstance.

>Bucky was innocent though.

nah. he may have been brainwashed for his most heinous crimes, but he still tried to murder members of that SWAT team.

and saving Bucky led to him killing more cops after he got brainwashed by Zemo, so it was a net negative in terms of lives saved

Brainlet didn't realize he wasn't only saving Bucky, but also his friend Tony from doing something in an emotionally heated kneejerk moment that he'd later regret

what is this from? it's hilarious.

>so it was a net negative in terms of lives saved
So far...

At the time he was conflicted about the whole accords thing and muh Bucky. MCU Mjolnir seems to judge worthiness on willingness to sacrifice oneself and one's desires for the greater good.

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>the whole accords thing
Accords hadn't happened yet, bruh. Remember that his trying to lift it happened before Ultron existed and had even been in Sokovia.

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Bucky getting captured led to him getting brainwashed so pick one, either he surrenders or has to fight the swat team.

Cap also went to help him before they fought the swat team.

He is worthy. But he was just to lift that hammer in that moment. He didnt try to prove his worthiness. He would have lifted it if he picked it up after ultron reveal to kill a bot.

Wypeepo

he's american

Steve Lichman

Steve Lichman. First volume is incredible. Second volume is a parody of lost boys that forgets that it's a parody 1/4 of the way through, skip it.

Not a warriors heart. A warrior has not issues with killing, and understands the time and place to do so. Conan and Akuma are warriors.

>MCU Mjolnir seems to judge worthiness on willingness to sacrifice oneself and one's desires for the greater good.

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Why is she worthy?

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Even Mjolnir has a mommy fetish, guys.

He was only half right. For all the shit people give the accords, in the context of the movie vs the comic...the accords aren't really all that unreasonable of an expectation of a task force that operate internationally. Their biggest flaw is the unpredictability of the people in charge of them.

Cap's had his heart in the right place on his insistence on the Avengers own judgement being the safest, but it's also arrogant and dismissive, considering the accords involve 117 countries that want a say in whether or not the Avengers deploy the Hulk, for example, considering that for all the good they do, their raids on terrorist cells and interventions in state affairs aren't always the cleanest affairs, and the events with Scarlet Witch stand as unrefutable proof that the Avengers aren't perfect. Cap's stance involves an "ends justify the means" kind of approach.

It's the mindset of one who is confident in their abilities, but not of one who's worthy of the hammer.

>Their biggest flaw is the unpredictability of the people in charge of them.

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He is worthy, he's just too polite to show up Thor at the party, so he pretended not to be able to lift it.

The worthy spell or what ever didn't happen until Thor was banished in the first movie

You know as well as I do in the instance of an alien invasion, the FIRST thing that would happen is for the UN to deploy the Avengers, and even in the scenario drempt up by the biggest of brainless thay they didn't get the go ahead, Stark and Cap would charge in with the team regardless of what anyone says and deal with the repercussions after the fact.

Besides, in case Spider-man wasn't a big enough hint, Stark never ACTUALLY cared about the accords beyond protecting the Avengers from the UN sending in the kill squads.

>the events with Scarlet Witch stand as unrefutable proof that the Avengers aren't perfect
She reacted to an instant threat suicide bombing to save her team mate and the civilians in the very populated market. When it became clear she couldn't contain the strong explosive force she threw it into the air to minimize damage.
The fact that people died in a building from the force of the explosion, speaks more of the power of the device than it says about her reflexes or decisions.

I can't think of any other response in that situation other than letting cap and everyone around him die to protect a few Wakandan, who only cared about the accords because their people died.

>even in the scenario drempt up by the biggest of brainless thay they didn't get the go ahead, Stark and Cap would charge in with the team regardless of what anyone says and deal with the repercussions after the fact.
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>Besides, in case Spider-man wasn't a big enough hint, Stark never ACTUALLY cared about the accords beyond protecting the Avengers from the UN sending in the kill squads.

Nice principles you got there, Tony.

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>Stark and Cap would charge in with the team regardless of what anyone says and deal with the repercussions after the fact.
So they would nominally accept the accords. Thats probably the worst option.

>Besides, in case Spider-man wasn't a big enough hint, Stark never ACTUALLY cared about the accords beyond protecting the Avengers from the UN sending in the kill squads.
He was feeling bad about the shit he pulled. He kind of gave up on them at the end of civil war.

Given their tech level, the fact some wakandans died is more an issue of negligence/act of god on their part.

>So they would nominally accept the accords.
Did you watch the movie? That exactly what Stark was suggesting the entire time.

"Just sign this shit so I don't have to watch one or more of you get killed by a drone strike, I'll work some PR magic and get this bullshit amended."

Not him, but her lack of control of her powers means she isn't ready for the field yet, meaning it's the failure of the Avengers for not having ensured she could operate on their level, and it is also a failure on Cap's part to have not neutralized the threat immediately.

Trying to change it later isn't ignoring it.

She wasn't able to handle an extremely powerful explosive that a high tech mercenary used in a suicide attack.
She handled it better than anyone else on the team could have.

What would you have suggested she do or anyone do?

This. One of two different things happened with this scene.
1) Cap is Worthy, but not quite enough to just lift it up as a parlor trick at a party. If lives are on the line and Steve knew in his heart that the hammer was needed, it would be lifted without issue. He wouldn't be taking a minute out to reflect on his worth, and have a smidgen of doubt, before grabbing it. His only thoughts would be on the danger and he'd get it off the ground. Or...

2) He COULD lift it. He sensed that he could and the moment he knew it, he faked that he couldn't because he didn't want to tip the others off at the party. His reasons for this aren't especially important, but he could have simply acted like he couldn't to keep Thor from knowing.

The fact that it budged at all for him as opposed to the hundreds that tried before, both on Earth and on Asgard marks Steve as special.

And also saving T'Challa from killing an innocent man.

But he intended to, if the situation came to it. That's my point here; Stark's support of the Accords was very ingenuine, and he really only supported them in the first place because it puts them in a more advantageous position than rejecting them.

Cap truly is best boy of best boys.

But the only worthy person in the entire movie agreed with Tony, Widow, and Rhodey.

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Wait, since Mjolnir is broken it means that Cap won't lift hit against Thanos! It's sad that we won't see the pay-off of that scene

Do we know if he is still worthy after the fact? He picked up the hammer almost immediately after being born, so to speak; free of corruption. It's possibe that that's changed.

Let them die.

they were all wrong on civil war

What most people, aka humans, would consider worthy, and what Odin, the gallows god, would consider worthy, do not necessarily coincide.

Better question. Why is Marvel so weak?

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How did you steal Morpheus's mask from him, and who the fuck let you out of your rocket dildos?

Because at this point he knows what happened to Tony's parents but he's keeping it tight-lipped, moreso for his own sake. I mean Tony's literally in the same room here.

Tony Stark.

because he believes in another fictional god ;

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>elevator

Makes sense.

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Marvel has always been weaker. This pisses off normies (like a lot) and gives orgasms to power level fags.

I wonder if Odin tried the worthy trick but Hela just was like 'fuck the hammer' and went kill everything.

The movie started with a guilt trip there was more to it than that.

He was also talking about the treatment of the team at that point iirc not oversight of the operations.

He was gay for Bucky.

Its states she went crazy, so she was probably worthy before she went of the deep end.

you don't possibly think that odin's standard of worthiness was a WEE bit different during his campaigns on conquest instead

Why would he be worthy?
Thor is a Norse God while Cap is a walking Amerimutt flag, they don't overlap, to each their own.

Was some part of her still worthy and that's why she could stop the hammer? Unlike say Quick Silver who got dragged along with it when he tried to do the same. Or did she use not-explained ambiguous magic to do it?

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A) seniority (ha), she was the previous wielder
B) “worthiness” enchantment wasnt in place yet
C) she, like odin, drew power from asgard itself and therefore is stronger than the hammer, which is how she stopped it when thor threw it at her (which mightve also been bc of point A)

What is Thor, a sidekick of Cap's shitty comics?
Cap only lifts the hammer when someone at the Thor office says so, and the movies are no different, Cap will only wield it if Thor acknowledges it and allows Cap to borrow it for whatever reason.

>The Kryptonian standed there, watching the avengers sorround him.
>"What? No "bow before me" you despots love so much?"
>The Kryptonian remains silent. Looking at Stark's meek little armor.
>"Oh! The quiet strong type! Yeah it suits you, big guy!"
>Zod's eyes are now glowing with a faint red light.
>"Spooky"
>"Tony, shut up" Widow told him for she knew a murderer when she saw one. A monster can always recognize another monster.
>Cap's hands are shaking, he closes them into a fist and then looks at Thor and Vision. The Asgardian nods, Hulk sights, the android understands. It's all a silent good bye.
>Cap swallows one more time and whispers "I'm sorry"
>Zod's army land behind him. Thor, Hulk and Vision attack.
>It's ruthless and Thor is screaming something toward his fleeing comrades: "STRANGE. FIND STEPHEN STRANGE!"
>Cap orders the rest to walk retreat. Too many Kryptonians, each faster, stronger and with larger range than anyone on the team.
>As they leave the battle field, they see them all getting overrun and mauled. Thor can keep them away with his thunders, but they are too much, too many. In time, even the god of thunder cannot fight and is torn into pieces.
>Stark looks from far away. This is not an enemy you joke around. This is death, this is brutality, this is true Power like he has never seen before. He never really believed that much in God, but upon seeing them, a primal part of him is telling him: "Pray".
>"Stark... where are the funny jokes? Where are the quips? You cannot hide. I will find you" Zod said as he saw the man in the battle suit go away.
>T'Challa sees everything from one of his satellite transmissions. Three out of the four most powerful beings on Earth died as if they were nothing to the army of Kryptonians and their tech... is vastly superior to Wakanda's. "Bast protect us" he said outloud to his council "Bast, please protect us"

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>“Is he not? Are we sure?” Whedon responded, a hint of teasing in his voice. “Did he fail? Or did he stop?”

>It's possibe that that's changed.
Ooo. That'd be a heartbreaking reveal. I hope they do that.

That a real quote? Because it genuinely never occured to me that Steve, being humble, would fake it, but makes a lot of sense.

Oh come on. I'm a fan of the DCEU, and prefer DC over Marvel AND I'm a massive Supes fan, and thats just in poor taste, and only so one sided because it's all of Zod's Kryptionians, when even MoS only had Clark fight a three at once directly.

In crossover comics we've seen that a yellow-sun powered Superman IS superior to Thor and Hulk, but not to the point that it was an easy fight against either, so at the least Thor, Hulk and Vision could likely handle two or three (none solar fed) goons for a brief time each, if not win.

I call bullshit because Cap was acting like moving Mjolnir wasn't a big deal when Vision did it.

Can Thanos lift the hammer if he has the Infinity Gauntlet?

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Yeah it's real. Makes sense also because there's nothing in the mythos about being able to "budge" Mjolnir, only pick it up or not.
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The gauntlet has no power without the stones, with the reality stone alone he could warp Mjölnir into sand.

Depends, is the Infinity Gauntlet worthy?

I can't remember if a decision on wether the elevator was deemed worthy or not.

It's not speculation, the Russo's outright said that Vision is no longer worthy in interviews for Civil War for those exact reasons

Is there an official word on what 'worthy' means anyway? Either for the comics or for the mcu?

It seems like 'worthy' by Asgardian standards probably doesn't mean what we'd like it to mean as Humans. Hela was able to hold it briefly, Thor can (usually) use it, but cap was only able to move it slightly, everyone else is right out...

My headcannon is that the hammer only moves for people with a willingness to use it in battle, and by anyone who could defeat it's current wielder. Having a 'noble' heart, or being strong but reserved, or anything like that might only come secondary to being of sound mind and being especially confident in a fight.

Maybe the reality stone could erase the enchantment?

Or 3) Odin was watching and fucking with Cap and Thor

I remember reading that, can't find a source though. Do you have a link?

Good guy Mjolnir didn't want to blow off his wingman Thor at the party.

AoU takes place after TDW, Odin was enchanted and exiled to Earth by Loki.

>Good guy
Don't know why, but this made me imagine a Virgin/Chad chart with pre-Ragnarok Mjolnir and Infinity War Mjolnir. Which would be which, Sup Forums?

Because remember the vision he was shown in AoU. He's a warrior through and through and he's a very good hearted person but ultimately he doesn't know how to exist in a time of peace without a war. If he overcomes that however he would be able to pick it up.

He will be, come IW part 2

Is that was true, he wouldn't be making "Vision doesn't count" excuses with Tony at the end of the movie.

That's an odd definition of 'worthy', though. Thor isn't a newborn innocent.

Why not?

Who cares? It's a comedy movie.