In the blue spirit episode when Zhao captures Aang, he states that he won't kill him because Aang would just reincarnate and they would have to start the search all over again.
But it still makes sense because the avatar would be reborn as a baby and couldn't stop the fire nation before Sozin's comet. Can Sup Forums explain this?
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I dunno, he could be born as a really strong baby
He could have stuck his penis in his ass right then and there.
The Fire Nation didn't plan on burning the Earth Kingdom to the ground until Book 3.
He could not, they were both panted
Even if the Fire Nation took over the world, there would still be an Avatar lurking around somewhere that could pop up a few decades later and deliver judgement. Keeping him confined eliminates that x factor altogether.
Zhao also wanted to bring him before the Fire Lord. That would make him more favored in the eyes of those in royalty. If he killed him then the search would have to start again since they know that the cycle continued.
Then Kora would be born and everyone would be fucked.
This
The Avatar disappeared 100 years ago and the Fire Nation was still paranoid he'd pop up some day and wreck their shit.
Who says he didn't
A Water Tribe Avatar may actually be pretty easy to find
Even without earth kingdom burning, when the next Avatar appears it would have been too late, since everything would be under Fire Nation control.
Kill Aang, Korra is born earlier than expected Kill her, Earth Avatar is Born earlier then expected kil him too, New Avatar is Fire Bender groom this Avatar to be Fire Nations secret weapon.
This just gave me an idea for the next avatar series, where a fringe group of firebenders want to bring back the fire nation to its full power so they look for and kill the earth bender avatar then wait for the fire avatar and take him from anyone who would protect him and raise him to believe that the fire nation needs to conquer everything to preserve balance and shit. They could bring in other benders as slaves to teach him the other elements.
So their goal was ultimately to keep him alive as long as possible to forestall the arrival of a new Avatar, so that they wouldn't have to scour the world for a new one again with the constant threat that they get too powerful before they're found?
Wouldn't that mean that they probably would have pampered the shit out of him, albeit in containment, to make sure that his health was as good as possible so that he lived his longest possible life?
Something about an ornate prison where you're treated like royalty, but unable to do anything about the world around as it's slowly thrown out of balance, seems unsettling when you think about it.
I think they thought it would be easier to keep aang in a prison for the rest of his natural life, avatars have life spans longer than normal people, (Kyoshi was over 200) than to hunt down and kill a new avatar everyday decade or so.
could an avatar kill themselves as a way to escape an inescapable prison?
Yeah, they could even talk to the next avatar as a ghost.
Remember, Sozin's comet ending the war for the Fire Nation was something only Aang knew about from Roku telling him. The Fire Nation itself didn't even think of using the comet until Azula suggested burning the Earth Kingdom to the ground.
Follow up question: In this episode, Aang mentions that he had friends from the Fire Nation, but the war started by Sozin occurred back when Roku was alive, even going so far as annexing Earth Kingdom land. So, what gives?
No? Keep him in a normal jail, maybe a solitary or a minor prisoner population. He doesn't need to be in perfect health well until the 60's to the absolute minimum, no accounting for unexpected health issues.
Read the trivia, it specifically states aang is makeing a face not out of fear of the blades but the fact that his (ass)ailant has a rock hard erection; pressed so tightly he can feel it throbbing.
Why can't the avatar just learn to bend using their previous lives as teachers?
Just have them go to a spiritual rich place or something so they can all appear.
Plot
The fire nation began acting more aggressively and doing shit like that but there was no all-out war just yet at that point. I'd imagine that relations between the fire nation and the rest of the world was becoming strained but until the war itself was actually initiated when Sozin holocausted the airbenders it's not unreasonable to think Aang was still freely traveling within the fire nation and had friends there.
because all spirits must talk in vague and cryptic messages, its kinda the unwritten rule
Because that's cheating the system but had Aang died early I bet he would teach the new water avatar how to air bend
What if he was born in the Foggy Swamp Tribe?
While not technically impossible it'd be kind of weird since when the Avatar communes with past lives they are in the spirit world where bending isn't possible. Could they get lessons then pop back to the real world and practice there like a giant game of phone tag? Sure, but that hardly seems practical.
But the comet itself was already a thing in Book 1. There were no specifics, but it was clear that if Ozai gets to use its power for whatever, then it's game over.
Lots of connection to the spirts there, I bet that's avatar would be good at air bending
whichever the answer, we will need The last airbender writers to make it work.
Based on what logic? They were fighting the war but they weren't anywhere near winning yet. Yeah, Aang showing up saved everywhere multiple times, but thats just story necessity. The fire nation had made steady but not massive progress for a century. There was no reason to believe that now, within the span of months, it would conquer the rest of the world in a few major campaigns.
I think it would work better was a prequel.
Plus I'd imagine it would add less to the whole if they're just using already existing assets
Does the avatar instantly reincarnate? Like the second they die the new one is born or conceived?
maybe it takes as long as the next baby on the next tribe takes to be conceived and born. Or the avatar's soul just takes the body of the newest baby from the next tribe.
Sumo wanted to regain his honor, he didn’t care about the war
It makes sense for Zuko to risk his ass trying to save the avatar, because his one goal in life is subverted if anyone but him captures the avatar
what if the avatar's soul will wait for the next baby if it notices that the baby will have some physical or mental defect that will prevent them from being an athletic superhero?
Yes, Sozin's Comet was a thing for a while. But Azula didn't give Ozai the idea to use it to burn the Earth Kingdom to the ground until Book 3.
What do you think the Pre-War world looked like?
probably pretty boring.
I assume once your body is chosen to be the next avatar you get supernatural gestation to make sure you're normal
Seems like that's the case.
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So hypothetically if Aang had died the cycle really would be broken? Why couldn't it just shift to the next element instead of air?
except the hypothetical Fire Avatar would never be fully realized because oops we killed every airbender in existence
Something can always be asspulled
he wanted to capture him because "Muh Honor" and "pls luv me daddy" like the little emo bitch that he was.
Zuko had daddy issues, anything other than presenting the avatar alive to his father would have been seen as not good enough to reclaim his honor.
No, why would it be? The cycle only ends if the Avatar dies while in the Avatar State.
Y'all need to learn reading comprehension.
We're talking about Zhao giving the order not to kill him not Zuko. With Zuko it actually makes sense though. He is a hothead but he does have a general sense of honor and wouldn't actually kill a child. We see this in Zuko Alone and other instances like when he agrees to leave the Water Tribe alone if Aang goes with him and then follows that agreement.
there'd be no airbenders to be born as in the future
Do you guys know that the Fire Nation would be obligated to spend more YEARS pursuing a single person on the world right? And that is super hard?
Its better to keep the enemy secret weapon with you, rather than risk to it to be used again in the future.
>couldn't stop the fire nation before Sozin's comet
And then when he turns 10-ish he kicks their ass regardless. The Sozin's comet was a power-up against the earth nation, not the water tribes. But if Aang lives imprisoned for 80 years they have enough time to destroy everything.
The Northern Tribe could hide the Avatar for a very long time.
Not after sozen comet. The north tribe could barely stand a normal invasion, what is to say about a powered-up one.
Not under Ozai or Azula. Alt universe Firelord Iroh would have totally done that though.
Yes, but the audience would find you sad and lame.
The necessary racism hadn't set in yet.
Nobody but the spirits realised Ba Sing Se would fall so easily.
Even the fire nation realised that all attempts had a very low chance of success; it only worked because the secret service turned on it's citizens, and all generals were imprisoned (meaning no troops could be mobilised).
If Ba Sing Se is supposed to be the earth kingdoms capital, and biggest city so big it appears on the fucking map itself. Why was the emperor such a cuck, not knowing what was going on and not having a direct hand in a secret organization that he knew existed!
Because you can't bend while punching a hole into another reality with your mind.
I imagine the earth kingdoms were still seperate (and thus annexing one or two could be excused under appeasement), thus war didn't happen yet.
But if you genocide a group of travelling cake makers, who refuse to take money as payment, and whose only crime is generally travelling the world and being jolly?
It'd be like a country declaring that it's national policy was now 'rape all babies' and 'punt puppies with hockey sticks'. It's just so fucking absurdly evil you're obliged to go to war, out of sheer moral embarassment.
There were air nomads.
Or not, all Bumi needed was his chin.
Air is for the weak. They could still learn it, they'd just be shit. Like season 1 Katara.
what does surface tension have to do with Zuko?
Why didn't Zuko just rape the Avatar?
A monk fucked an Earth Kingdom peasant 300 years ago. No one has developed bending cuz reasons.
Gorilla-seal tactics developed by Master Plip back during the time of the great Chin dynasty.
Because Ba Sing Se and everyone inside were sheltered as fuck to everything outside the walls. The city might as well have been its own country. No one thought it was penetrable either since Iroh failed his siege until the drill was discovered.
They are surrounded by building material, so long as someone is ballsey enough to fishbowl the spirit carp they're insta-Israel.
Into Japanese history. The Emperor went in and out of puppet mode so often that his decendants probably still suffer from anal fissures.
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That'd actually be pretty interesting, having to invent airbending again if Aang died. It only being an art the avatar could wield with each one having to make sure what little information they learned about it would be passed down to the next avatar.
Why not mortally wound him instead? It's hard to do bending without limbs.
Huh. That actually makes a lot of sense.
He would get spirit hands
Lots of warring petty kingdoms spread out across the continents, Southern Water tribals reaving up and down the coast whilst their Northern cousins cosplay not being tribal. Various earth kings pay lip service to the high Earth king whilst essentially ruling themselves, probably not even paying any taxes to the high king. Fire nation begins to spread out across the isles in it's archipeligo, conquering places like Ember island etc. The four nations exist like the idea of France or England in the early medievel period, as possible future nations sinc eeveryone has roughly the same culture, but divided by politics. The 100 year war was probably the only thing that forced these nations to actually form proper
They didn't have the airships to do so.
the original plan fof the comet was probably to take Ba Sing Se in one day, Azula caused this plan to be scrapped.
What if you kill the Earth Avatar, then get all the people you can pregnant so the chances of the Avatar being your own son and thus eliminating any type of "awakening" feelings of revenge the little guy could get if he realises you kidnapped them from their real parents.
cant you just fucking concentrate in one thread already? damn it....
Zhao is an idiot. That's why he got demoted.