Debate thred

I think marriage should be between a man and a woman.

And that homosexuals should not get the benefits of a tax break through marriage.

Debate me

I cant debate you because I agree with you

>and a woman
how many dimensions are we talking about here?

weak mind there

that doesnt mean you cant debate

why do you care what other people do?

seriously i understand the conservative perspective for most things. Even abortion being wrong is on some level justifiable because you're essentially ending a life...

But on what level does a homosexual marriage affect anyone other than the two people involved?

>Debate me

calling all homosexuals---- not judging, lets debate

There is literally no argument to suggest that gay marriage is wrong other than muhhhh ((((degeneracy)))))

Mind your own business and fuck off.

I think government has no business fucking around with marriage, it should be a religious or personal thing only.

Marriage should only be religious.

If gay marriage doesn't pose a threat to anyone, why should it be banned? Your only argument is you saying you don't like it.

Ok here we go.

My take is strictly that it is biblical. Now that's what I think, but subconsciously it may be how I was raised.

Personally don't judge anyone who is homosexual, but I do think it is a sin. (everyone sins, so who am I to judge. I befriend many gay people)

what differentiates men and women? their sexual genotype/phenotype

the purpose of having sexual organs implicates that we must use them correctly for our best evolutionary interest - in the context of marriage this is to pass on our behavioural adaptations (culture) through our genes

two men can't do this - so it is not in our evolutionary interest. If it is not in our evolutionary interest, why bother? shouldn't we be aiming for the highest standard? anything less is solely for pleasure

homosexual marriage is for pleasure and not the goodness of society, so there is no basis for it other than
>muh feelings

therefore the burden of proof is on homosexuals to prove why gay marriage could match our evolutionary interest

It can't, as discussed, therefore there is no reason for it to happen

don't disagree actually, that's my view too basically

>And that homosexuals should not get the benefits of a tax break through marriage.

you're correct. No one should be getting tax breaks for being married.

Well your argument falls apart. The USA isn't dictated by biblical law.

>Weak mind for holding an independent similar opinion

Ok

It could stay religious and personal if there weren't legal advantages to it.

Fact of the matter marriage is not a cultural ritual exclusive to one religion, it is an actual legal union.

How are christians so self-important that they believe marriage exists exclusively in their narrow world view?

and the problem is that this culture is also passed on if homosexuality becomes more acceptable - leading to a progressive decline in our evolution

we set our laws by the natural law that God gave us. He didn't intend for homosexuals to share the sacred bond of marriage. So while I agree that government shouldn't have any say in what people do in their relationships, I don't think government should be involved in marriage AT ALL. Should be only a religious thing.

Honestly haven't considered this argument but I like it

Slippery slope is real, and the only way to stop it is a firm position on purpose and values.

"pass on our behavioural adaptations (culture) through our genes"

Culture is a learned behavior. You can't pass it on through genes. And if we're bringing evolution into play, then what role does being born homosexual play? Why would humans still have homosexuality if it weren't advantageous to our evolution?

Homosexuality has been observed in 1,500 species, homophobia only in 1.

Furthermore, 7 billion humans is not sustainable. We've come to the point where people who were born far below the standard cognitive ability required for survival are able to thrive.

Perhaps we need a little bit of de-evolution in order to return us to a state where darwinism actually plays a role again.

I want you to check domestic violence statistics for lesbian female couples against gay male couples. Then, for bonus points, I want you to hunt for the elusive statistic "initiator of domestic violence."

I love women, but they're easily set off emotionally and over emotional people tend to react with violence. The modern white man (millennial) likes Buddhism and philosophy and the NAP and peaceful parenting, these are not violent people these are extremely cultured people..
..It's women themselves who've allowed feminism to degrade their culture.

No words on gay marriage, I just couldn't care less about butt promises.

It originated as a nation as a God, but not going to say you're wrong these days. Hopefully the new Conservative government will bring God back to the forefront.

No other animal has exclusive homosexuality.

This desu

Sure but they can have their own gay religion where they can get gay married with no tax benefits just like you right? They don't have to be the same religion as you?

One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs, however, is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries). "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams."

statistics can be cherry-picked to prove anything, m8...

cherry-picking the bible is a much more fruitful way of approaching the male-female schism...

Sure they can. I will say though that Christians wouldn't consider the marriage holy under God, but not that that should bother those who marry under their own religion.

The burden is on you to prove that God even exists in the first place. Until then, he has absolutely no authority.

>we set our laws by the natural law that God gave us.
Incorrect.

Also god isn't real.

Gonna have to argue without "muh feels" here bud.

IDGAF what a couple of pole smokers or rug munchers do.
I will say that government "permission" to marry via license needs to die.
All that happens when you do that is you sign over your sovereignty to a court of equity, the family court and you give up many rights.
You can nearly mirror a marriage license with smart use of self created legal docs and stay away from that shitshow.
Government marriage wasn't even a thing until relatively recently.
Fuck, Breed and cohabitate all you want....who needs mommy and daddy's permission to do that?

Both death, war, plague and famine are also natural.

When people refer to the nature argument, they are referring to life affirming natural cycles.

>to many people

Not in the Nations promoting it.

Those tax breaks are to help parents raise the next generation and keep the country alive.
The fact that governments have seemingly forgotten this is embarrassing beyond belief.
Homosexuals shouldn't get tax breaks for marriage because their marriage isn't actually helping the country in any way.

>autists to triggered by the mention of God, to adequately address the argument of optimal natural virtues, then negative natural degradation

tbqh ID smash the middle one ph@malams

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I'm Christian and I understand where you're coming from. But I also believe in separation of Church and state.

I believe marriages should only go through Churches, and I think every government should look at all marriages as "civil unions" and classify them as such. I think gays should be able to say they are in a "civil union" and get tax breaks. However I do not think homosexuals should be allowed to get married. If any church holds a homosexual wedding, shame on them, for they are worshipping a false god.

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That's not what I asked from you, lots of people here have seen those statistics and they're fairly believable if not reproducible. Something has changed with women in the past 60 years and it has not changed them for better. They lost much of their restraint and discipline, they've become unashamedly emotional, they're easily defensive.

This is all against the millennial white male culture which nods and "yars" to Buddhist platitudes.

Why is the truth about millennial white men so unspoken here? They're cucks, but they have a pretty decent culture regardless. Their entire thing is about cherry picking the good out of everything.

But this is completely against female millennial culture which is completely geared towards self esteem and warping weak traits into something to be proud of.

This is what's making women so unappealing, reacting with it raises effeminate men, homosexuality becomes something that only seems more common and people want to marry their best friend's butt.

See how all these problems are caused when women absord ideas without filtering them or being sceptical in some way? It all comes back to women who definitely were not as violent 60 years ago. I ever wonder what has changed... Really causes one to think.

>When Benjamin Franklin proposed during the Constitutional Convention that the founders begin each day of their labors with a prayer to God for guidance, his suggestion was defeated. "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

God is in the Declaration of Constitution

God is real and I hope you will find him.

>Ask and it shall be given you, see and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. Luke 11:9

With you brother. Would follow your lead on this issue as a fellow Christian because you have a better grasp on the issue than I do.

Lol.

God can not exist in this realm and dimension in the same way am archetect can not literally be the staircase in the house he designs. However absent the architect is physically, in a way he is present in every sense within the house, because he designed it

You have to be really dense to not believe in God now-a-days.

"I was at this time of living, like so many Atheists or Anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world."

“If there were no God, there would be no atheists.”

Still, even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior.

>Something has changed with women in the past 60 years and it has not changed them for better
are you taking the piss or just under the impression we're all drumpftards here that need spoon-feeding...?

>it's what you don't see

^^^^^^^

>I think X
>Debate me

Homosexuality wastes the worlds time. The should be given nothing.

Just making a clear argument.

So after accepting that contemporary women, but not necessarily all women, are simply undesirable, but literally all white men are actually desirable are you going to look for a marriage partner of the opposite sex? We've even managed to brainwash them into finding race mixing oddly appealing if you happen to be melanin superior.

>>it's what you don't see
>it's what empirically doesn't exist
;^)

But would you rather see a couple of homogays raise a kid and get tax breaks or Methy Mcslutcunt get one? Why not give her mandatory adoption / Sterilization tbqh famalam

sarlaccs waste the world's money -- wut?

Women are emotional creatures by nature and instinct, they haven't changed.
Men have....
Men in the western world have become emasculated as fuck.

Read up on Alison Armstrong, that bitch has some shit nailed.
We are the only animals on the planet that ignore our instinct with this damn thinking brain.
Emotion, instinct and conscious though together is powerful.
Keeping people just thinking keeps them easier to control using their emotions.

if modern "women" are so proud of being sluts, why do we have to protect them with "revenge porn" laws?
if being a slut isn't a shameful thing, why do they have to hide it from plain sight?

>they haven't changed.
that's an inane position to take, given they weren't even allowed to vote not so long ago, much less command positions of power or do much more than lay with legs akimbo and whelp

males may have changed, but the perception of "a man" having to be some grunting, gormless gorilla, is on par for retardation with what feminazis demand for themselves

You don't get tax breaks for simply raising children, you get the tax breaks for MAKING them too.
Gays adopting children won't change the number of children in the country.
There is no gain for the country.

>Debate me.

You have to have an opening argument.

>so proud of being sluts, why do we have to protect them with "revenge porn" laws?
the porn is about maintaining their relevance -- it demystifies their cunts, thus diminishing their power over brain-cock males

same reason why they're against porn in general -- it services males in ways they never could

I never said that men should be mindless apes.
Integrating instinct and intellect is what I was inferring.
We are 50% animal, to suppress that is to deny part of who we are.
Women love douchebags right?
Ever wonder why?
Because they are honest about who they are and what they want.
Don't believe me?...ask them.
Women hate "nice guys"...they can smell them a mile away.

But I will give you this....they have changed with women's rights somewhat.
Not nearly as much as men have.

I gays are stupid enough to want to experience the huge shitfest that is called 'divorce', they have my blessing.

Men have become emasculated somewhat but I'd argue it's in dealing with the contemporary woman's social aggression. It's why guys with lots of female friends can come off as a little feminine.

I couldn't imagine it being like this if women were docile medieval Catholic girls. It'd be a lot of men dealing with men raising men to be men.

How men have changed, the best of men, is for the better. So many men self educate with the internet and develop their own culture from it. It's common enough for men to download text books that Google cracked down on it and thus the download link to a book I need.

But women have almost become offended by anything great to the point they have to criticise it instead of learn from it. It was women who killed classical music, no man would dare become a classical listener whilst women imagine smelly old men when someone mentions it.

See how this works, or rather, works both ways effecting one another?

The porn is to decrystalise our prostates, there's nothing deeper there. No one consistently believes it diminishes women's power over men.

Australia once again proving to be disappointing. Many such cases, sad.

Your argument for God existing is just you saying he does.

And second, I'm not an atheist.

“If there were no God, there would be no atheists.”

If there were no religion, there would be no atheists. You can't disbelieve in something because it exists, you disbelieve because it isn't proven to exist.

>Women love douchebags right?
tits with gams attached do -- yes

>Ever wonder why?
nope, because clambered safety from the sarlacc pit in my early 20's and have never gone near one since

>Because they are honest about who they are and what they want.
relative to normie males -- yes... so what?

>Women hate "nice guys"
"women" drop for anything with a bugle in its pants that's not in the inguinal region because it's their innate compulsion to find $ecurity in order to afford their offspring a better chance at survival... something that has morphed into a 'gold-digger' mentality through the agency of materialistic and greed dogmatising societal influences

it's difficult for people to discern the puzzle with their face right up in its cunt -- i'm not cunt cuck'd, so can smell the pungency for the flaps

So long churches don't have to perform or acknowledge why does it matter?
Faggots already fuck eachother

Spot on...all women seek security instinctually.
it's not a compulsion per se.
completely with you on how that translates into a gold digger mentality too.
Trouble is she marries a nice non threatening dude who can provide $ecurity but doesn't want to fuck him.
His nice is really a threat to her instincts and she doesn't know why.

What I am saying is their thinking part seeks the breadwinner $ecurity type.....but her pussy gets wet for the docuchebag, and that is all instinct. That is a different kind of security...the physical kind that can protect her and the young.
Our DNA hasn't changes in thousands of years and that stuff still has deep threads in us.

A couple willing to live and support eachother in theory saves the government money from them getting sick as shit and needing assitance. If a gay couple is willing to stay together in SICKNESS, and JOBLESSNESS then they most def deserve the tax breaks a hetero couple does. As form them needing the church to recognize their marriage, its nonsence. Get married at a mosq. Im all for estate and bequest rights if the sign county court papers though.

The sign of an intelligent mind is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it.

You should be able to argue for both sides of an issue, including the one you disagree with.

its media, obviously.