Jordan Peterson: The Worst Disney movie

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>Frozen is the worst Disney movie because it's pure ideology

Is he right?

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Why should I care what a guy who sounds like a half assed Kermit thinks? I don't really see the appeal in him other than anons who want a substitute dad.

The guy talks for 2 hours at a time. If he said something like that it was probably hyperbole to make a point. Star Wars 8 is worse in that regard.

I hate peterson talking about religion
He has some vague large encompassing definition of it

>dude just clean your room and you wont turn into a gay lobster

sage

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For those appalled by this man, wondering how somebody like this could come into existence, stop worrying. All you need to know is that it's...

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but... she's sexy

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>pure ideology
I can't help think of Zizek when I hear that. Also in sheer quality Frozen is just mediocre, there's at least 2 other movies that can be considered worse by far.

It's a movie made for kids and hearing grown men go into in-depth discussions like this are cringy as hell to me.

Welp, there's the "You can't criticize it for being a movie for little kids" fallacy

There is also a thing called reading too deeply into things.

He's a quack who got into an argument with a zizek bot account, and got triggered over a satirical self help book that said humans are like lobsters years before he did
Also he seems to trust peer review only when it suits him
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Made for kids, but by adults who have their own thoughts and biases. It's fair game for analysis and/or criticism.

>frozen is the product of marketin, there is no artistic value to this shit
wow, its exactly the same thing every art student has ever said about it comblrtarians will hate on it anyways because muh alt right

has he forgotten about chicken little and home on the rage? although it is the worst Disney film in the 2010's.

Fine, just don't get butthurt when people laugh at you and refuse to take you seriously because you spent hours on end trying to come up with the nuances of Olaf the snowman.

sometimes the curtains are just fucking blue

Zizek and Peterson are going to debate, it's gonna be a shitshow. /lit/ is excited.

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>surprised nazis are disliked

>jordan peterson
>pure ideology
feels like I'm on /lit/ right now

He's badly interpreting Joseph Campbell who said in The Power of Myth (I think) that movies are the modern equivalent of traditional myths and legends. And that watching a movie in a dark theater with a bunch of other people enhances the larger-than-life aspects of the heroes on screen.

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someone will call you a nazi someday and what will you do then?

And just like that I'm over Jordan Peterson.
I'd take Elsa over him any day.
But seriously, what exactly is the ideology that Frozen is trying to sell?

No she isn’t

It's the worst because it has the worst songs

Is there anything or anyone that you would take over Elsa? How much has your fanaticism clouded your decision-making?

The only thing it's good for is SFM porn of Elsa with a giant dick.

Well I won't be a little bitch and join a group that wants to eradicate huge swaths of the population just because some turbofeminist said mean words.

Lots of things. Just not Peterson.
He'd understand. He knows he's not as sexy as Elsa is.
I CAN'T FAP TO JORDAN PETERSEN!

I think Frozen is mediocre as fuck.

That said there are many Disney moves that are simply fullout shit so I can’t agree

It's called Animation is PROPAGANDA for kids. Fuck off. There's a reason the girl power shit still continues it's enablers like you. We need to castrate YOU and anyone like you. And just in case you're a twat believe me, there's female castration too.

Awww, did you have a rough week user? Did the feminists in your closet and under your bed scare you last nite?

>Well I won't be a little bitch and join a group
too bad that your actions dont matter and neither does you say or think

>I CAN'T FAP TO JORDAN PETERSEN!
Not with that poor an attitude, you can't.

yeah, she is.

I read that in his voice, damn it. I've been listening to him too much lately.
But now that I know he hates Frozen (irrationally imho) I can stop.

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Reminder the people ITT getting mad are lesbian tumblr shippers

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Also I thought Stefan's breakdown of Frozen was way better

>not chicken little

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Just face the fact that you already wanted to be a nazi if all it took was mean words on the internet to become one.

Wait, he unironically thinks Chicken Little was better or is he unaware that it exists?

how are you not a nazi?

I don't identify with Nazi ideology and want nothing to do with them. I also think that Neo-Nazi getting punched in the face on tv was fucking hilarious. I also am not going to turn into a little cry ass and wind up joining them just because of some gay tumblr screencaps is how I am not a Nazi.

He has a point in that the film felt like it had an agenda but its bad for reasons beyond just that.


The only Sup Forumsmrades I can imagine liking this shit are the waifufags but even then Rapunzel is a far superior waifu.

>Zizek and Peterson are going to debate

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It will make Foucault v. Chomsky look like a battle of titans

>I don't identify with Nazi ideology
since when?
how do you explain all the complains i have been getting about you?
how come you visit a neo nazi website responsible for harrassing black people on twiter and spaming pepe memes?
you sound extremly nazi to me, give me your personal information right now so i can call the police before you end up hurting someone

I like these imaginary liberals you have cooked up for me. I can come up with some imaginary conservatives just to balance things out if you like. Maybe make one that had a bad day and is all pissed off because he saw and old black lady sitting at the front of a bus.

>Jordan Peterson
fuck off back to /lit/, /r9k/ and Sup Forums you shitpill

THIS IS A CRIME, YOU JUST COMMITTED A CRIME

Yup, send me to the imaginary liberal gulag that user has set up for me so I can take his epic redpill and read his gay infographics about how I should hate everyone darker than me and how Sargon and Aurini are so cool.

>All these pissy Sup Forumsmblrinas getting triggered by Peterson
Delicious.

I think that Peterson is the 21st century extension of the Neo-Jungians like Campbell or Bettelheim. His oversimplification of religion is an incomplete analysis of its full merit, but it serves its purpose and I like that he's making people think about it in a modern way.

I think Peterson needs to actually engage more with true philosophy and not just biblical and pop culture stories. I'd love to see his thoughts on Augustine, it doesn't seem like Peterson's read him.

>21st century extension
just say dilettante

>can only pick two shaky examples from 50 posts to prove how everyone is triggered
lol fag

>Y-you're not religious? Then why do you watch Disney movies? That's a religious experience, because they're like, not even real!
The absolute state of christcucks.

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Small boobs -> you are not a woman.
Fact.

What about the ovaries...wait a minute, does that mean Elsa counts as a trap and fapping to Elsa is gay?

stop committing internet violence

>does that mean Elsa counts as a trap and fapping to Elsa is gay?
Absolutely user. Feel free to fap to Elsa porn all you like, you can still be 100% gay afterwards.

I WILL COMMIT EVEN MORE! WATCH AS I STAB user WITH THIS IMAGINARY KNIFE AND HE PRETENDS TO HURT HIMSELF!

Damn that is a breath of relief for me. I thought I was being a hypocrite when I said that 'bisexuality is just a brief stop off from full blown gay' by fapping to Elsa but knowing the rules now, my conscience is clean.

>Zizek and Peterson are going to debate
wat

Based on this vid I don't see the appeal of Peterson. I'd agree that there's calculated marketing with the film, but that's more on account of Disney trying to make money, rather than any political reasoning.

>"You can say exactly what Frozen is about, so it's propaganda."
You can say that about literally anything. That doesn't define what propaganda is either.

>"Art'sa process rather than an end-product."
I wonder if he knows about the development process that turned the Snow Queen into Frozen.

>"They're drawings! Things that aren't even real!!"
Is he equated being entertained with religious experiences?

You're triggered enough to keep responding to everyone.

Go watch some Steven Universe. It might calm you down.

Eh, the dude lost his job due to being so autistic he couldn't just call a tranny student by whatever the hell they wanted to be called and continue on with his class like everyone else. No he had to make this into something where he was Mad Max standing at the gates of oblivion and other autists are just drawn to that shit.

I enjoyed it. Let it Go is a catchy song. But yeah, the prince being a bad guy, and the 'don't need no man' message (in spite of being a monarch who needs heirs) and mommy and daddy were oppressing me all were trying to sell bad ideologies to us. Men and women do need each other, generally speaking.

I tried that once but I saw a sword and I got too freaked out. These days I just like to listen to Peterson's speeches on autotune and imagine Kermit the Frog having taken up the life of a DJ by putting a generic beat in the background.

Also if you want to hear truly cringeworthy discussion of Frozen, listen to Stefan Molyneux's analysis of it. He thinks the whole thing is about mental illness. It's weird, most of Molyneux's videos seem to be straightforward presentations of facts and then his movie reviews are just bizarre, he reads things into them the creators couldn't possibly have intended. Oh and he thought Stranger Things was about immigration. I think it's because he's a good popularizer of already existing facts and other people's ideas but any time he tries to do original work and analyze things on his own he goes off into the weeds.

>the dude lost his job due to being so autistic he couldn't just call a tranny student by whatever the hell they wanted to be called and continue on with his class like everyone else.
Confirmed for not watching Peterson. He never lost his job and if a tranny politely asked him to be called she (which never happened) he'd do it. He's protesting a Canadian law that's putting legal precedence on tranny pronouns in the hands of a liberal commission outside of the actual legal system.

What?
- Anna ends up with a man.
- The parents are up to interpretation, I see them as just misguided and fearful about how the people will react to Elsa's magic powers, thanks to bad advice from those shitty trolls.
- How is the Hans being a bad guy propaganda? he's the villain because he tries to usurp the throne and kill the rightful queen, not because he's some evil man who uses privilege to "rape" Anna.

Alright user, show us what law, exactly, and how it is potentially being changed from old to new and let us see if it is a bad thing or not. You do seem to say that it is 'outside the legal' system but I need to see what you are talking about, specifically.

There is no agenda really, just a lot of dumb headcanon, but Frozen is a legitimately garbage movie like Little Mermaid. Ariel and Elsa are both awful princesses who's problems just magically go away because they're sad.

Jesus Christ, why did they do this?

>Based on this vid I don't see the appeal of Peterson.
He's a mixed bag. When he's in his lane(he's a clinical psychologist) he's very insightful and has a wealth in teaching, research, and therapy.

When he starts ranting about the neo-Marxists and Frozen being propaganda he goes off into the weeds and its best not to follow him there and wait for him to come back to reality.

Peterson started to get pissy about Zizek critiquing him, and then, I think, Zizek told Peterson that he was going to be in New York City this coming autumn if Peterson wanted to set up a formal dispute. Or Peterson may have told Zizek that, I forget which order it went in. Either way, we may be looking at the Thunderdome.

Its been a long, long time since I've seen The Little Mermaid, is it really that bad?

I saw Aladdin recently and I thought it was pretty meh. Genie, Abu, and the carpet are good but the rest of the cast is bland.

Didn't he also say some shit about googling a certain set of words like 'European People Painting' and thinking about it? Unless I am mistaken and got him mistaken for someone else.

I don't think the internet can handle this.

>He never lost his job and if a tranny politely asked him to be called she (which never happened) he'd do it.
I think even if it was just clear to him someone was trying to look like a girl he would call them 'she'. Who wouldn't? It's the least awkward, disruptive option. He has had polite civil conversations with trans people like Theryn Meyer. But the law could even allow people to be forced to use made up pronouns like xhe. He did not agree with that. And he did not agree that people should be forced to use preferred pronouns in general. Censoring free speech is one thing, but compelling people to say certain words goes way beyond that.

I don't follow Peterson too closely. At this point I'm not too interested in his recent material, he just makes me want to read Maps of Meaning and jump into Jung.

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Also calling attention to:
>In November 2017, Lindsay Shepherd, a teaching assistant at Wilfrid Laurier University who showed Peterson's critique of Bill C-16 in her "Canadian Communication in Context" class, was reprimanded by faculty members, who said that she had created "an unsafe learning environment" and that she had violated Bill C-16
Presenting criticism of the law is apparently violation of the law you're criticizing. It really massages the ole cantaloupe.

>- How is the Hans being a bad guy propaganda? he's the villain because he tries to usurp the throne and kill the rightful queen, not because he's some evil man who uses privilege to "rape" Anna.
Because there was no hint of him being bad before it was unveiled, it serves to perpetuate to the young girls watching it that even seemingly decent men can't be trusted and only want to oppress them.

Frozen has some pretty glaring issues with its story, I think most everyone can agree with that to some extent.

I think a more interesting discussion would be HOW/WHY did it do so well in the box office, Idina Menzel and her singing voice, right? Did Disney do something better with its marketing this time around? Was it a buildup of this new revival of well-received Disney CGI films starting with Tangled? Is it because this featured TWO princesses for the price of one film? Did the true love subversion/exploration strike a unique chord, at least for Disney Princess films?

But it's perfectly realistic that a villain would try to hide his motives before he strikes.
That's literally the MO of most villains.
And he's contrasted in the movie itself with Kristoff who's a good guy.
Are you saying that people think that's propaganda because Hans didn't have an (obvious) villain song like Scar or the Vizier ? That's insane.

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It was an alright watch. He wasn't being a jerk or anything. People can watch with this link if they're uncomfortable with giving the video views.

Ok, the first link just says 'don't be a discriminatory dick to someone because of their gender identity' so basically it adds trannys to lists of people you cannot discriminate based on that sort of thing. I mean the only thing it infringes on is for you to be a hostile dick and just call them by their original gender identity. I mean to me that's basically like going 'ok you can't be a dick to a black person walking into the store and call them a nigger and creating a hostile environment to get them to leave' which is basically what I see here unless I am reading it wrong. The most difficult thing he had to do was just say 'they' in place of he or her and yea that is just some really easy shit.

The other thing is kind of fucked but she is basically just showing someone's opinion on a subject and is a teaching assistant and should have gone to someone with higher authority to help her review her lesson plan to make sure that it wasn't going to make waves. I mean yea a teacher should be able to show controversial subjects and debates but they also need to cover their asses.

Just the fact that Elsa's only love interest was a villain.. it serves to promote the idea that women don't need men. This idea has been destructive to families and to Western civilization. Women need men.

It is the worst of the animated disney movies I've seen if we discount the sequels. Its far from the worse Disney movie. It's just dull and it has no clue what it wants to be. Music is weak, Blondie wanted to be the main character, but instead we get her sister. There's not really a conflict either.

I forgot to add, I think the teaching assistant probably should have just gone for advice on other resources on people who are debating the subject and not just tossed a youtube video onto a projector. I am willing to bet there is a scholarly article or debate or two on the subject that would not have caused nearly as many waves. Though I know that when they release stuff like this it is just a case of the university making a show of wagging their finger at the person in public and when the cameras are off it's a case of 'just come to us first and we can cover your ass'

Elsa didn't have a love interest. Anna had two, not including her sister.

>But seriously, what exactly is the ideology that Frozen is trying to sell?

STRAIGHT WHITE MEN ARE EVIL!!!!!!!

>Sup Forums hates joran peterson
good to see Sup Forums stands with Mister Metokur for once.

Don't you mean, sexy? The villain was a real hunk of burning love.

The moral with Elsa, if anything, is "Be Yourself".
Anna's is "Look before you mount."

Who?

She's sexy

Disney princess films make bank. Tangled was half Princess half wannabe Princess Bride self-aware adventure romp, which made it good but less marketable.

Frozen has several power-hit songs, a sad yet relatable (for the target audience) opening, appealing designs, and a structure that takes the best of the Disney formula and adds just enough twists (albeit somewhat clumsily) to distinguish itself from what came before.

That's something I've been wondering for some time. Part of me wonders if its just luck and Frozen just happened to come out at the right time because it certainly isn't the quality of the film.

Yep. And I don't think it's a coincidence that the Frozen general was the beginning of the decline of this board.

when will it happen?