>On the intelligence committee, Pompeo has taken a particularly hard-line stance on how to treat NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. After Snowden's allies began a campaign to get him pardoned, the entire House Select Committee on Intelligence wrote a letter to President Barack Obama urging against a pardon. The letter said Snowden was no whistle-blower, but rather a "serial exaggerator and fabricator."
>At that time, Pompeo issued his own press release, calling Snowden a "liar and a criminal," who deserves "prison rather than pardon."
>In a C-SPAN interview earlier this year, Pompeo went further, stating: >"He should be brought back from Russia and given due process, and I think that the proper outcome would be that he would be given a death sentence for having put friends of mine, friends of yours, in the military today, at enormous risk because of the information he stole and then released to foreign powers."
What is up with these threads? Why do you faggots care so much about this guy?
Trump called Snowden a traitor multiple times during the debates, why are you all acting so surprised now?
Tyler Diaz
>Pompeo is fully in support of the NSA's spying on Americans' activities, stating. "Congress should pass a law re-establishing collection of all metadata, and combining it with publicly available financial and lifestyle information into a comprehensive, searchable database. Legal and bureaucratic impediments to surveillance should be removed. That includes Presidential Policy Directive-28, which bestows privacy rights on foreigners and imposes burdensome requirements to justify data collection." He has also stated, as others have noted below, "Muslim leaders who fail to denounce acts of terrorism done in the name of Islam are "potentially complicit" in the attacks." And he fully supports Guantanamo Bay and doesn't want to get rid of it. If anything, he wants to expand it.
>Trump’s CIA Director Wants to Return to a Pre-Snowden World He’s called for a “fundamental upgrade” to U.S. spying powers.
Xavier James
ignore the red bit please, couldn't care less about muslims but am a fan of US going back to actually enforcing the 4th amendment
Nathan Hall
Why is this surprising?
You didn't actually believe Trump shills telling people that Trump, in any way, was against government spying or in support of whistleblowers?
Carter Adams
I don't mean this as bants or anything, but what is up with germans and snowden? Is it because of the eavesdropping on merkel bit or something more?
Chase Gray
4th amendment is dead, Bush killed it with the Patriot Act.
Trump never presented himself as a guy that will revive 4th amendment or give back privacy.
Still don't understand why are you surprised.
Robert Russell
I'm sick of hearing about this mother fucker
Who gives a shit
Oliver Robinson
Snowden is a fucking cuck lock him up
Luke Flores
It must be unfortunate living in Germany today because it's clear that the general public considers themselves educated or enlightened to some degree when really they are just useful idiots.
You guys have bad values. You're just wrong if you see Snowden as anything other than what he is, a garden variety narcissist who clumsily sold out the intelligence community in exchange for popularity amongst that class of people who's literally only insight is in the consideration of themselves as insightful (as in, it's nonexistent).
Angel Watson
>a garden variety narcissist who clumsily sold out the intelligence community in exchange for popularity amongst that class of people who's literally only insight is in the consideration of themselves as insightful
He gave the enemy enough knowledge to use couriers instead of gmail, but he didn't really help to free regular citizens from any kind of scrutiny. He aided the enemy and the enemy alone, and is a traitor.
Bentley Morgan
Agreed.
John Long
This is what bootlicking looks like. You're actively celebrating a potentially tyrannical government going against its own constitution and its citizen's rights.
Trump has literally always been anti snowden. Anti whistle-blower in general, really. It's one of his stances that I don't really care for.
Xavier Torres
>Snowden >whistleblower Pick one
Asher Phillips
Not only did Trump call Snowden a traitor, literally every single other candidate did as well.
Luke Sanchez
I wrongfully assumed he might take on Ron Paul's creed of going by the constitution.
Probably because of our history with stasi/gestapo who kept records on anyone and used this to identify enemies of the state, threaten families, etc.
Very surprised americans of all people aren't more alarmed by the overreach of their government in this regard
Very well put
Ethan Edwards
This is what I mean. It's like Germany today, intellectually, in terms of the public is behind 15 years.
It's not a matter of being a sheep. When we say we don't like Snowden it's not necessarily about kissing up to the government. Personally I think big data in general should be made illegal for everyone. Advertisers/marketers, corporations, the intel community, maybe even for academia as well. What it's about as seeing Snowden as some dumb clinically narcissistic guy who has thrown the world into an unhealthy position against the better wisdom of his superiors.
Hayden was spot on. It takes a lot of fucking arrogance to go against the better will of literally everyone higher than you on the chain of command.
Grayson Martin
Wasn't his primary motivation that what the government is doing (mass surveillance) is unconstitutional?
Are you OK with the government having complete and full access to your entire internet activity?
Tyler Turner
>Probably because of our history with stasi/
I remember reading that before the re-unification, lots of east germans feared that the files would be opened, and all the thousands of informants would be identified. People who had spied on their families and friends were worried about repercussions. But I never heard about that happening. Were the files kept secret, or what?
I realize this is ancient history for the average Sup Forums.
Jose Ortiz
Internet should not be covered by the 4th amendment.
The Internet is public, is it not? According to your own cherished values of informational freedom?
So then it is not covered. It is not unnecessary search and seizure of private property.
Jackson Allen
>The Internet is public, is it not?
much of it is considered private. ask Hillary to explain that to you.
Kevin Scott
WE'RE AT FUCKING WAR
IN WAR-TIME YOU SACRIFICE YOUR LIBERTIES TO DEFEAT THE ENEMY
STOP POSTING THIS PRETENTIOUS FAGGOT
HE SHOULD BE HANGED
Jackson Lewis
Snowden is a Soros plant.
The Free Snowden site has Soros as a prominent sponsor. He's poisoned and should die.
David Wilson
I hope Trump takes over Cuba and turns it into a giant concentration camp for Muslims from all over the world, that would be glorious
Jose Wright
Cubans have been through enough, send the fuckers to venezuela's socialist paradise
Leo Perry
>The Internet is public, is it not? No. Are you fucking retarded?
The US should also ban all religions to be super safe
You're cool with that, right?
Charles Fisher
I'm pretty sure they released some of them by request and were amazed just how much information the state had on these people (in the era of paper/photo records), their friends, their habits, activities, etc. But I think most were kept secret or destroyed when the soviet union collapsed.
If the Patriot Act is really modus operandi for the entire US government by now, I wouldn't be surprised if the NSA has per-second screenshots of every device of any person that's ever used the internet, or if that isn't where they're planning to go, as well as keystrokes and audio of persons of interest. The amount of leverage they have is probably unprecedented.
This is probably why Russia and China are setting up their own internet now.
Do I really have to quote Benjamin Franklin to you? ≈ "He who sacrifices liberty for safety, deserves neither."
You know what the sad part about the Snowden Leaks were? Nothing changed.
Luis Clark
Internet literally means 'public network', as opposed to an intranet.
David Howard
The guy is a fucking hero... Literally risked life in a cell/death to expose what is a blatant violation of our Constitutional freedoms
Brody Morgan
Hopefully Trump will have good enough relations with Putin to have Snowden extradited and executed.
Hunter Hall
Possible brightside: if the rumors are true that FBI, NSA, Palentir and Trump are the "good guys" against traitorous agencies/cronies in government, perhaps they can leverage this power to yield revolutionary prosecutions.
KEK-willing, 2017 will outshine 2016 in sheer habbenings
Chase Green
this
Adam Thomas
Snowden is an idiot, he really is. He has been bashing everyone, he went against wikileaks, he bashed on trump.
He has no allies at all. If Trump fixes relations with Russia you can bet your ass he will be given back to them.
Luke Rogers
thing is though, nobody cares about what he released.
Colton Young
good. snowden's a faggot and needs to die
Christopher Johnson
You guys are worse than Obama. If you're going to kill all the whistleblowers, why do you support Julian Assange who basically won you the election? You're worse than leftists if you only support the constitution/law when it's convenient to you.
Christian Rivera
>It takes a lot of fucking arrogance to go against the better will of literally everyone higher than you on the chain of command.
You mean a lot of guys to go against some fat cats that care nothing more than doing what they're told.
Just because 10 people are pissing on the Constitution doesn't make 1 person "arrogant" for standing up against it.
That desire to stand up for what's right is what theoretically made this country great.
Josiah Garcia
I do.
Ethan Thompson
Kek is asked and kek blesses you child
Dominic Clark
Source?
Luke Watson
life in a cell aint so bad. life in a cell were they deny you clothing, electricity, and paper, while waking you up every 15 minutes for the rest of your damn life...
Poor chelsea manning :(
Matthew Turner
so he stole information but he's a liar
does the military keep a lot of lies around waiting to be stolen, or what?
Hudson Ramirez
> It is a network of networks that consists of private, public, academic, business, and government networks of local to global scope, linked by a broad array of electronic, wireless, and optical networking technologies.
No, it doesn't mean that. The vast majority of information available on the internet is not public. Hell, most of it isn't even accessible through any standard public interface. It's primarily stored on secured private or federal databases.
Liam Lopez
But he released a bunch of other shit for our enemies. Sent us back like 15 years.
Jacob Bell
righteous habbenings confirmed
Praise Kek! SHADILAY
Aiden Lewis
Snowden is anti-gun, I don't care what happens to him.
>t. guy who doesn't like the NS >t. guy who dislikes gungrabbers FAR more
>steal information, much of it pertaining to ongoing OPS >give it "all" to journalists to disseminate in their own judgement, aka trusting the media to do the right thing
(HAHAHA NICE ONE)
>ends up in Moscow in a comfy set-up life sponsored by the kremlin
I just wish for once his defenders would recognise that putin et co aren't going to bankroll your existence just to spite america. he obviously sold intel to get into the country and sold more to stay
Camden Turner
The point is that Snowden is simply not high enough up the chain of command to even have sufficient information to judge what is right.
What he did just represents a blatant narcissistic lashing out. It doesn't help his case at all that he is so textbook for nod in terms of his personality.
Oliver Roberts
Snowden is a CIA psyop agent. He spread some truth mixed with much misinformation. People that think they are being monitored, police themselves. There is evidence of this, such as with some of the software suggestions that he has given for communication, that are backdoored. Fuck that guy, he is not who or what he claims to be.
Blake Parker
You're not too bright, are you?
Those are the intranets. They are distinct from the internet. They are not connected into the mainstream.
William James
Well the nsa tracks all my dick pics, so it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility.
Lincoln White
Ben Franklin was a piece of shit.
Jason Ortiz
You need to keep in mind what each alphabet agency's task is. CIA is intelligence abroad, not at home. If this was someone Trump is appointing to NSA head director, THEN you'd be well within reason to be concerned.
Pompeo's need to dig into everyone's information will more than likely be contained and directed where it's most useful. At our enemies.
Xavier Taylor
Witnessed. Let it be done.
Joseph Cruz
I was with him and still think his contribution was great.
He fuckin dissed Trump though, fuck that guy now.
Gavin Sullivan
Take. That. Back.
Angel Barnes
>Pompeo's need to dig into everyone's information will more than likely be contained and directed where it's most useful. At our enemies. I don't believe that or trust that for a second. Not that it would matter anyway
Oliver Lopez
That's the problem. You keep deferring judgment to higher authority, until you find out it's all either a circle jerk at the top, out a few people doing what's best for the (((banks))).
When you fucking see corruption/wrong, it's your civic duty to do something about it.
People who just blindly do what they're told are responsible for the need we're in...
Also, get this through your head: There is no justification for the government spying on its own citizens. NONE. If people die because the government doesn't spy on its citizens (which is a dubious claim), then that's called the price of freedom.
Tyler Bell
This. The guy obviously had some other secret backroom dealings going on.
Nathan Cook
>giving all of our vital technological warfighting capabilities to a fucking kike journalist to demoralize the country >hero We are at war. In wartime you have to buckle down and join the fight.
Joseph Rivera
Can you provide me with a little more info on the programs and the backdoors? Im curious
Thomas Hall
his goal is to undermine the established order and replace it with willy-nilly far-leftists who will allow all the Muslims in
Reminder that the only genuine "abuse" that was uncovered by Snowden is that the NSA was spying on specific Islamists in the USA.
Tyler Miller
>Guantanamo Bay Is that still open? I thought obama closed it in 2009, right after he took office.
Andrew Robinson
>>giving all of our vital technological warfighting capabilities to a fucking kike journalist to demoralize the country But he didn't. All he released was illegal US domestic spying. Without a warrant. Are you fine with the government doing whatever the fuck it wants without a warrant?
He showed to the world that the US isn't the "good guy" fighting all the other "bad guys". The US is using the same "bad guy" techniques the Soviets and the Statsi pioneered.
This is not supposed to be us. We're supposed to be the shining city on the hill, not doing the same thing our enemies did.
Leo Nguyen
>Assange leaks something about Hillary Based Assange! >Snowden leaks something about NSA Traitor! Kill him!
Eli Flores
Snowden is a huge faggot who threw state secrets to the wind for any foreign power to take then fled to Russia.
If he wanted to be a hero he should have gone through the proper whistle-blower channels, or at the very least he should have accepted his punishment like a man.
He didn't care about the American people, he just wanted to play James Bond.
Cameron Sanchez
>but government is infallible, collected data is 100% secure and people in the government would never abuse it. the only ones who have to worry are those breaking the laws!
the lines between laziness, fear, apathy and ignorance are so blurry these days. if you never acknowledge it maybe it'll never happen or go away?
Levi Adams
Snowden ended up beaing a weak faggot, but what state secrets did he reveal?
Literally nothing about international spying techniques were released. No remove US monitoring stations, agencies, etc were revealed. What was revealed was illegal US domestic spying programs that explicitly broke the law by spying on literally fucking anyone without a warrant.
Nolan Sanchez
You are so fucking stupid
The internet is literally the connection of all those private networks
What the fuck do you think the internet is? When you connect two computwrs together theyre on the same network, the network isn't just the fucking wire between them
Kill yourself
Ian Thomas
>We are at war. In wartime you have to buckle down and join the fight
With war against fucking who? OURSELVES?
There's no justification for our own government to ILLEGALLY spy on ourselves.
If your rights can be suspended because "we're at war", then your rights aren't worth shit.
Parker Morales
And it's been circle jerks since day one. The real degenerate is trying to unnaturally expedite those circle jerks out of existence before they'very naturally evolved into something more equitable and democratic.
Whistleblowing outside of proper channels is not good. It is not healthy. It is not ethically valuable. It is just a reflection of the animalistic urge for reaction. The entire thing civil society seeks to deconstruct.
I understand your concern. The invasive aspect of these systems is what is primitive in them.
Grayson Williams
what about his reveals of the nsa spying on germany or brazil?
Charles Reyes
>Snowden ended up beaing a weak faggot,
I just question how many people on this board would give up a nice job, nice house, nice relationship, and overall nice lifestyle to do what you believe is fucking RIGHT... in the face of possibly being imprisoned for life, tortured, or killed
Brandon Kelly
Some of it was legal, some of it was not. I don't care if the government is using whatever means to take out terrorists. I want them to go in hard and go in smart and get the job done quickly.
All that big talk about this image of ourselves is just bullshit; our job is to defeat Islamic extremism and do it quickly and the world will thank us later.
Evan Sanders
nope. still open.
>The camp was established by the Bush administration in 2002. 44th President Barack Obama promised its closure during his first campaign in 2008, but it remains open as of November 2016.
No, the internet is the main stream of those connections. The public aspect of the whole.
You differentiate what is Internet from intranet by asking whether or not everyone can access at least it's front end.
Austin Sanchez
who gives a shit about snowden? hes a libtard who promotes blackliesmatter.
Jordan Brown
The warrantless spying is non-existent and was never proven by Snowden. He did reveal the FISA court orders allowing NSA to take the metadata from companies like Verizon and using it to connect the dots between terrorists. No big deal.
Juan Fisher
>And it's been circle jerks since day one.
That's true.. and even if you look at any classical political theorist (Hobbes, Rousseau), they have always stated it is the government's nature to expand, and the people's nature to push against that expansion
it just seems that people today are less inclined to push against the government.
what's happening now is fucking outrageous, yet most people don't give a fuck because they still have a nice quality of lifestyle.
Xavier James
So did his leaks actually lead to any American Soldiers or Operatives dying?
I can see the argument that it diminished the USAs spying power, but at the cost of spying on the American People that seems like a justified loss.
Ryder Russell
Name one US citizen who was prosecuted based on NSA spying. You can't do it! No one is being put in jail. The NSA is being used to go after our enemies and yes, to prop up our empire to some extent but that's not a bad thing for the world.
Brandon Martin
If he was going to do it he should have done it right, which means not fleeing the country.
He made his bed now he has to lie in it, he's a traitor and will be treated as such for as long as he lives.
Thomas Barnes
I FUCKING AGREE
You faggots need to listen to this guy. It takes a lot of arrogance for you to go against the better will of all the jews above you.
They know what's best!
Jaxson Barnes
Ignore the "seems pretty tyrannical" quip. Didn't mean to leave that in, considering national security, etc, but it sort of is worrying having indefinite detention laws in the executive branch coupled with legalized torture/"enhanced interrogation", etc.
Blake Johnson
What's our other options? Try them in a civilian court where rules of evidence would make their prosecution dubious, risking their release onto US soil? Prisoners of war are traditionally kept until the end of hostilities, but this is a very long war.
Jose Wood
>No, the internet is the main stream of those connections What does this mean?
Are you trying to say that the routers which data transmits through, which are privately owned by private companies, are actually public?
Or are those not part of the internet now either because they're "intranets"?
Are you FUCKING RETARDED?
Eli Thompson
You aren't at war against any existential threat.
Terrorism is not an existential threat that could bring down the USA. Even a Russo-Chinese alliance couldn't do that.
>I don't care if the government is using whatever means to take out terrorists. Then you're a fucking idiot. What's the point in surrendering privacy just to stop terror attacks that - at current - kill less US citizens a year than drunk driving? Should we surrender to 24/7 surveillance to ensure drunk-driving is stopped as well?
Privacy is a necessity for a functioning democracy. When you remove that, you might as well just ask the head of the NSA who he wants to be President and leave it at that.
>they're not jailing anyone yet, therefore they won't in future.
Ethan Sullivan
That was not him. It was confirmed there were two other unknown leakers in the NSA. One of those leakers revealed shit about our illegal drone programs in the Middle East, which WAS a strategic secret.
The problem with whistleblowing is it's always illegal in one way or another. The reason why anyone does it is because they believe that sacrificing their personal liberty to reveal a greater government injustice is the right thing to do.
>The warrantless spying is non-existent what, you want the NSA to give you the very data they harvested?
>No big deal. Faggot. They were warrentless. That alone is illegal.
James Clapper lied to congress on three different occasions. Once before the leaks, a second time after the leaks (saying that nothing illegal happened), and a third time after he was disproved to lie again. He is still in charge of the DIA, despite knowingly lying multiple time to congress, a federal offence.
Juan Cooper
As you say, the damage of the Snowden leaks was it revealed vital details about the methods the NSA uses to conduct its activities; this helps people like ISIS because they know how to circumvent those technologies which have been revealed as compromised.
I make a firm distinction between wartime and peacetime on this issue. In peacetime, we should not allow such a wide-ranging use of these powers; however, we are at war whether we want to be or not. We have to put all the ships to sea to defeat this enemy. Yes, I know the Jews were behind 9/11 but we still need to fight the enemies directly in front of us right now. Snowden gave away the house at the wrong time.
Hudson Morris
>Name one US citizen who was prosecuted based on NSA spying. You can't do it! No one is being put in jail. The NSA is being used to go after our enemies and yes, to prop up our empire to some extent but that's not a bad thing for the world. I don't give a fuck if anyone was "prosecuted". I don't want someone looking through my daughter's dirty laundry, my private e-mails to my wife, or hell, what I have in my fucking fridge, because I inherently value my privacy.
There are lots of things that can be done to protect americans-- the government can make state sponsored prisons and lock everyone in a 5x5 cell... which would undoubtedly "protect us"... doesn't mean it's worth the price of freedom
Isaiah Long
Terrible post quality, just terrible. Can always depend on Australia for that choice shitpost.
Jason Lopez
>existential threat Not so sure about that. I hate Dick Cheney for different reasons but he was right that if these terrorists got ahold of nukes they wouldn't hesitate to use them. Also, their continued threat is corrupting western institutions and cultural norms and the sooner they are defeated the better. A Russian/Chinese war would not even be likely to lead to nukes in American cities, so really this is the highest threat the USA has ever faced.
Brody Robinson
Meh, you can't pick and choose. You niggers cry about the constitution foreverial only when it suits you.
The man who sacrifices liberty for security blah blah.
Blake Thompson
>he's a traitor
Why are you calling HIM the traitor, and not the people who took a shit on the Constitution AND hid it from us?
The only reason they would fucking hide it is because they know it's wrong. >"If the government did nothing wrong, then why does it have anything to hide" argument
Cameron Harris
>He gave the enemy enough knowledge to use couriers instead of gmail Because they didn't know that already.
Fucking hell.
He's an arrogant narcissist, so what?
He provided actual evidence for mass surveillance in a way that makes it much harder for retards to go "lel tinfoil :^)" (though they still do.) which is ultimately a useful service regardless of who he is.
Though the general public don't give a fuck. It's enough to make you want a brutal dictatorship just to reward their complacency with actual boots on actual faces.
