>Personally, Boseman also identifies more with the villain.
>An African-American born in South Carolina, Boseman said that much like Killmonger, he felt a sense of disconnect from Africa and its history. He himself said he went on a search for his heritage and said he personally identifies more with Jordan's character. "Killmonger has been through our struggle," he told the audience. "We [as an audience] wouldn't accept T'Challa as the true king without him going through Killmonger."
>Chadwick Boseman says T’Challa is the enemy in Black Panther
>There have been media takes discussing how Black Panther protagonist T’Challa sends a bleak message to black viewers by killing his rival. The message, some critics say, is that black liberation is only a dream, and only obedient, peaceful folks can expect tolerance and survival. In this reading of the film, that makes T’Challa the enemy. And Chadwick Boseman, the actor who plays T’Challa, agrees.
>“I actually am the enemy,” he says during a discussion with castmate Lupita Nyong’o and Marvel comics writer and journalist Ta-Nehisi Coates at Harlem’s Apollo Theater on Tuesday. (The comments were transcribed and reported by The Atlantic and Rolling Stone.) “It’s the enemy I’ve always known. It’s power. It’s having privilege.” He characterizes T’Challa as “born with a vibranium spoon in my mouth.”
>"White people are the enemy" >Million dollar actor now A list treatment and respect >"Fuck whites! Africa is better. This imaginary country there makes it so!" >Africa currently genociding everyone who is a different color and falling into civil war
Aiden Ortiz
He's not wrong. Killmonger has much more in common with the average black american than the sorcerer-king that is Black Panther.
He was an effective villain because he had a point, even if he wasn't right.
Tyler Adams
WHOO THE FUUUCK CARES????
Adrian Thomas
>guy finds it hard to identify with his character who is a hereditary monarch superhuman
Adrian Taylor
There have been media takes discussing how Black Panther protagonist T’Challa sends a bleak message to black viewers by killing his rival >killing
So everyone forgot how he proposed to heal Killmonger, and decided to find a sensible way to accomplish the dream of black development without violence?
The dude grew. That's the whole point of the movie.
Why do people ignore character development?
Chase Garcia
>It is hard for a good man to be king
his whole arc was realizing Killmonger was right which is why he started opening the schools and embassies and whatever.
Jonathan Hughes
Calm down Tyler you should be spending spring break outside
Bentley Morgan
>and only obedient, peaceful folks can expect tolerance and survival HOW IN THE FUCK can they be so fucking psychotic as to believe that "peaceful" is a negative thing, they are literally saying they want to be allowed to be violent and chaotic with no repercussions!
Nathaniel Morales
>A nigger has more in common with niggers than a black man does.
Duh?
Jaxson Perez
Look I liked Killmonger because he was cool and shit, but the dude was a hypocrite. He wants to kill everyone who isn't black because of slavery, but conveniently ignores most of the actual Africans that enslaved other tribes, or glosses over the fact that he killed tons of black people, in Africa apparently, just so he could get his hands on the throne one day.
Shot his girl too because, again, quickest way to the throne.
Dude didn't care about the plight of the black man, he just used that shit as an excuse to do evil shit.
But no T'challa's the real villain because he's royalty and shit and doesn't wanna' kill all the non-blacks.
Fuck Chadwick, he sounds like somebody from Harry Potter named him.
Ryder Ortiz
Can we go one day without discussion of this movie devolving into Sup Forumsshit?
Brody Nelson
>his whole arc was realizing Killmonger was right
Killmonger was a genocidal race-supremacist who wanted to establish a racially pure ethno-state which would reign supreme over the entire world.
Charles Wood
I never said he was 100% right.
Adrian Harris
Well, the actor stating he identifies more with a racist supremacist than he does with the hero kind of makes this discussion inherently political from the onset because of what it says about black identity in the states.
Nicholas Flores
Wonder if he'll move to South Africa.
Xavier Allen
Report and move on man. Report and move on. Whoever the new mod is actually deletes these threads if you report them.
Wyatt Russell
I thought Boseman was British
Gabriel Hernandez
Killmonger was cool and all but he was ultimately doing what white culture taught him to: Be an imperialist fuck. Boseman is dumb.
Yeah, god forbid there be a discussion about a comic book movie on the comic board.
Ayden Gutierrez
Why is everyone these days so filled with piss and vinegar? I remember growing up in the early 2000's and no one was this obsessed with ridiculous black identity crap.
>black man cannot identify with black character who doesn't want to kill whypipo Is this supposed to be surprising?
Nolan Anderson
MLK advocated peace and got shot. Malcolm X changed his mind, started mellowing out and advocating peace, and got shot. Jesus Christ advocated peace and got beaten and nailed to a tree. If "peaceful" didn't have the same repercussions as "violent" then maybe we'd get somewhere. But all the famous examples of guys going "we can get along peacefully" end poorly.
Asher Diaz
He was right in that Wakanda has the resources to help people, and if they opened their borders they're powerful enough to not get fucked over.
Everything else he wanted to do was the extended tantrum of the child that got left behind. That other stuff is why he was a villain, and why in the end T'challa decided support and education was the way to go.
Brody Young
You'll note that with the exception of MLK, they were all killed by their own guys.
>Jesus Christ was killed by Romans
At the order of the Pharisees.
Gabriel Cruz
Upvote
Jose Gonzalez
The media pounded the race-war and recrimination drum relentlessly for the last fifteen years. Especially in cases like Zimmerman (where a trail ruled it was self defense) and Mike Brown (where evidence showed later virtually the entire story was falsehood that was invented whole-cloth) and dozens of others. And now here we are.
Ryder Ortiz
Because you were still a child, and had far less access to information. Also, the increasing proliferation of platforms. Now anyone with a phone can say whatever they want, for the whole world to see. It was there before, just now you can see it. To find the black identity movement of the early 2000s required you to dredge through the peri-9/11 flood of the age.
Jeremiah Phillips
Okay. Your irrelevant whataboutism argument has been noted.
Nathan Sanchez
You ask while frogposting.
Daniel Bailey
Nah. You don't get it.
Boseman identifies with the feelings, not the methods of Killmonger. Killmonger is a man who has suffered unjust oppression and is disconnected from his original culture. This is something that every black person in the diaspora knows and can understand. I'm a mixed dude raised on the continent so I know my history and background, but I also have known the white part of my background and I've seen how they are. I'm somewhere between Tchalla and Killmonger, and I understand both points of view.
Boseman doesn't identify with Tchalla because Tchalla is a dude who knows where he comes from, who he is, was born in a rich and powerful family and never had to struggle the way people in the diaspora did.
Killmonger is the diaspora, disconnected and oppressed. Tchalla is Africa, still in tune with history, and (in his case) untouched by opression.
It's a heightened representation of real life tensions. Even if Africa has known colonisation, we still know who we are. It's about self-knowledge and struggle.
So no, Boseman doesn't advocate for murder.
Easton Collins
I mean Killmonger was the better character by a mile. Everyone knows that. Most of his more villainous traits felt like they were tacked on just so that people wouldn't completely forget that T'challa is supposed to be the hero.
Grayson Hill
>I didn't hear about it, so it didn't exist
It's older than you, and you just never knew.
Nathaniel Long
>He was right in that Wakanda has the resources to help people, and if they opened their borders they're powerful enough to not get fucked over. Why hasn't Wakanda done that in the comics yet?
They are still monopolizing the cure for cancer.
Noah Smith
I'm not an alt right poltard, I used pepe long before those brainlets stole it.
I don't even understand how people were stupid enough to buy into that crap, I looked ito every one of those stories and realized the verdicts were all fair, I never realized everyone around me was too stupid to research anything before those stories.
I'll be happy when that pro black nonsense fades, They should just be proud Americans and leave it at that, or screw off back to Africa to find their roots in some mud hut.
Because if they did, Marvel Comics would have a hard time pretending it takes place in the modern day. If T'Challa or Reed Richards or Tony Stark or heaven forbid Moon Girl shared their technology with the world, the world of Marvel Comics would become a solarpunk technofuture.
Parker Cruz
That isn't the part he agrees with for Fuchs sake
Nicholas Lee
Which is why inner cities are such a mess. You're the problem. Antisocial faggots like you are the problem.
Jonathan Robinson
>I'm not an alt right poltard, I used pepe long before those brainlets stole it. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. > They should just be proud Americans and leave it at that Ahuh. Totally not. I'll let you in on a secret. They'd love to be proud Americans. But a bunch of "real americans" love saying how they're not and never will be and that they're actually Kenyan.
All you know is I posted a pepe, that's literally it, only a twit would assume they know my views from that alone. Hell, unlike Pol I just want them to focus more on bettering modern America than anything else, a desire I voiced, and yet you're still sitting there like a retard thinking I'm in the same boat with the lunatics who want you exiled or something.
>The bastard was actively conspiring with the Soviets, So we should've elected him president?
Gavin Wright
Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love that. But this industry bills itself on the almighty status quo, so we're just kind of supposed to ignore that several different people have the cure for cancer and aren't sharing it because of reasons.
Lincoln Edwards
>MLK's ties to communism yeah, nothing else mlk could possibly have been doing that j. edgar hoover didn't agree with
I bet you love Sean Hannity or Ben Shapiro or Alex Jones or someone equally retarded
Logan Stewart
They took his words out of context, like they do with trump you kwo? he didn't actually say that or say it like that at least from following the links in the articles .
Ethan Roberts
It's a well known fact those black movements were infiltrated by communists.
I'm not, you're just so far left a logical position sounds like KKK propaganda to you.
Indeed.
Gavin Powell
My grandfather worked for the CIA back then (in a desk job, he wasn't a field agent). I asked him who REALLY killed MLK a few years ago. His exact words were "I don't know, but it wasn't us."
Carter Barnes
I suppose a stratified hierarchy is a form of order. Who would ever have a problem with one of those.
Noah Lee
MLK was a socialist not a communist.
Samuel Clark
Hoover had NO issues with MLK. He was very closely connected to the federal government, which everyone forgets. It wasn't an "inside job".
Levi Johnson
Its not about the fairness of the verdicts, its just an excuse to let out emotions and lash out . Like how the la riots targetted koreans of all people
Joseph Jenkins
Just wear the badge pepe
Daniel King
>makes no attempt to refute the point
you literally just proved that poster right, you are literally a living example of exactly what they described
John Cook
Terrorism works, yes. You need a terrorist arm for your peacenicks to get anywhere. You need the terrorists strong enough for the peacenicks to not sell them out too, because they tend to do just that.
>10 Things We Learned at Ta-Nehisi Coates' 'Black Panther' Cast Talk
>6. Personally, Boseman also identifies more with the villain.
>An African-American born in South Carolina, Boseman said that much like Killmonger, he felt a sense of disconnect from Africa and its history. He himself said he went on a search for his heritage and said he personally identifies more with Jordan's character. "Killmonger has been through our struggle," he told the audience.
Liam Stewart
Black americans have it tough. You have to be as thug to be respected in you community and be a pansy to br respected elsewhere. And neither the us nor africa wants them
Alexander Turner
That's always their point. Your fault for not skipping to the end.
Justin Hernandez
>black guy finds it easier to identify with a guy who grew up in the ghetto but was actually African royalty WE
Kevin Foster
Joke's on you being a pansy doesn't work. I make Carlton Banks look like Idi Amin and I still get lumped in with Tyrone.
Kevin Moore
his only point was just "hurr jews did it," what the fuck is there to refute?
Jaxson Walker
So, yeah, he didn't actually say that. Thanks.
Joseph Lopez
They get free money from the government, lower standards for jobs and especially school, 50% less likely to be shot by cops on a per-encounter basis, etc.
Only trade off is most of them live in high crime neighborhoods, which admittedly DOES suck (I say this from experience).
Brody Torres
>King was probably the only prominent American to be the target of active measures by both the FBI and the KGB. By the mid-1960s the claims by the [Communist Party of the USA] leadership that secret Party members within King’s entourage would be able to “guide” his policies had proved to be hollow. To the Centre’s dismay, King repeatedly linked the aims of the civil rights movement not to the alleged worldwide struggle against American imperialism but to the fulfillment of the American dream and “the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.”
>Having given up hope of influencing King, the Centre aimed instead at replacing him with a more radical and malleable leader. In August 1967 the Centre approved an operational plan by the deputy head of Service A, Yuri Modin, former controller of the Magnificent Five, to discredit King and his chief lieutenants by placing articles in the African press, which could then be reprinted in American newspapers, portraying King as an “Uncle Tom” who was secretly receiving government subsidies to tame the civil rights movement and prevent it threatening the Johnson administration. While leading freedom marches under the admiring glare of worldwide television, King was allegedly in close touch with the President.
from The Sword and the Shield by Christopher Andrew and KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin
Ryan Long
You're forgetting, you silly billy, that Boseman has to to constantly disavow any black person, real or fictional, that does anything to offend white sensibility, because individualism and a freedom from self-flagellation only applies to majorities.
Jackson Peterson
I love how black people liking a comic book villain scares white people shitless.
But when a bunch of whites show up to Charlottesville waving around Nazi and Confederate flags it’s all “Le both sides!”
If you can't make a point without a reaction face then you don't have one. The fact that you think I or anyone takes you seriously is very silly.
Cooper Barnes
The black community is a cluster fuck. Older blacks are still under the impression that the 70s and 80s black power movement is still a thing and a lot of the older ones are just as bad as modern ethnonationalist. Meanwhile Millennial and some younger have the SJW mentality which boils down to complaining about vague oppression while not wanting to do anything to better themselves and being better off than most of the people they call oppressors. The black community doesn't know what it wants and just seems to want to lash out. That's why multinational corporations can sell culture to us and people eat it up and act like it's progression. Kanye was right, we are the new slaves
Juan Ortiz
Yeah, expecting him to disavow a genocidal race-supremacist who wanted to establish a racially pure ethno-state at the head of a world government is just crazy.
And him saying he identifies with that character more than the hero, well that's just striving for individualism and freedom. If anything we should be applauding him.
No, the thing about declassified KGB documents actually is legit. That came out a few years ago. The same documents also confirmed that the KGB started the "CIA made AIDS" myth.
Andrew Campbell
Holy false equivalency bat-man!
Wyatt Bailey
>Yeah, expecting him to disavow a genocidal race-supremacist who wanted to establish a racially pure ethno-state at the head of a world government is just crazy. In a world where you can win the presidency without doing that, it's not so crazy.
Jason Turner
It’s not a false equivalency. We have a shit ton of white people who unironically champion the ideals of Hitler and the Confederacy but we’re supposed to accept that as a part of life.
Black people like a guy with cat powers and suddenly it’s peovlematic.
Jaxon Allen
reminder that the dude driving the car was jewish
reminder that heather heyer does not appear in the video at any point
reminder that the town the driver supposedly lived in has confirmed that no one with that name ever lived there
reminder that you believe literally ANYTHING that you see on (((TV)))
Henry Parker
Here we go
Samuel Harris
because they need to feed thier bullshit. Being Black and rich is bad black america so dont strive for more! Dont preserve your identity or people, open the gates up to the world! Remember, the whites have you under their boots so you'll never succeed.
Im fucking sick of it all. The movie wasnt even that good, so fucking mediocre and yet its getting so much fucking attention. Just let it die, please.
Leo Hill
There is no black community. We’re 45 Million people spread out over 50 states. This meme needs to die.
Jackson Rodriguez
>The message, some critics say, is that black liberation is only a dream, and only obedient, peaceful folks can expect tolerance and survival.
Why do they always do this with black media? Every time a black character does something, it becomes a statement on 'black-nes'.
Oh, the black guy was killed by a white guy? It's a comment on how white patriarchy will always keep those poor darkies down.
Aiden Wilson
Both sides remain bad and you've done nothing to prove otherwise.
Nicholas Young
Only white people get to be individuals. Everyone else is a monolith defined by their stereotypes and worst elements.
Hudson Rivera
>If you can't make a point without a reaction face then you don't have one.
Not that user, but that is some of the dumbest non-nonsensical bullshit I've ever heard. You have no idea what a logical fallacy is, do you?
