Not everyone can become a great artist

>Not everyone can become a great artist
>But a great artist can come from anywhere

That's not a very nice message to send to kids. A good deal just won't try since they're not "great".

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It's totally the truth, though. It's like taste. A person with great taste can come from any background, but not everyone has great taste.

>movie about a rat cooking has one of the most profound speech in any movie

How did Pixar get away with this?

Yes Ms. Soccer Mom it's so much better to lie to children and tell them they're the best most special person ever, you tit.

I dunno, I think it's a pretty hopeful message. It basically boils down to "not everyone is going to make it, but if you come from nowhere/nothing that don't let that stop you"

it's not PC to say
but if those kids are giving up because they don't think they're great.... then they never would have been anyway

you become great by being the one who never thinks they are but keeps trying anyway

>it's a pretty hopeful message
>not everyone is going to make it

That leads to self-entitlement issues.

Never have kids.

Well what would a GOOD message to children be smartass?

There is a difference between hopeful and realist. Telling that everybody can become a great artist is not true, because if that were true then the amount of great artists would be much higher.

Remi did not only have the talent (which is a good, but ultimately not necessary starting point) but he had what truly makes a great artist - dedication. That's what prevents most people from doing anything, lack of dedication.

Remi was dedicated enough to put everything on the line, including his life, for his art. If as OP says, somebody doesn't try because he's not great then a) they have very bad speech comprehension because the whole point is 'becoming' great, not being great to begin with b) Then it means you didn't have enough dedication to the art. Remi was told he couldn't become a chef. He said fuck you and became a chef anyway.

It's a nice way to contextualize the unchangeable truth of reality, yeah. What, do you think it should be a big secret so every fucking loser kid with half a spark of "natural talent" finds out the hard way for themselves that they can't just coast off a decent jumping off point without the hard work and dedication staked into making it? Like said; "becoming great" shouldn't be their incentive to follow a creative passion, it should be a genuine love for the craft for it's own sake.

Hell, even shitty creative types like Ed Wood still have their own unique charm just for the sheer creativity and raw effort they invested into otherwise mediocre content. That doesn't make them a success by any means, but the even a hard-fought fight towards failure is still leagues better than a no-effort "commercial success".

Hard work trumps natural talent.

Unless the natural talent also does hard work. In those rare occasions, you get true genius.

I think a better message for kids may be, "Do what you love, even if you're not great, there's no shame in being good."

With the recent revelations about the Pixar staff things like this become really spoopy in retrospect.

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Not even going to give you a (you) for that sorry bait, user.

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>A good deal just won't try since they're not "great".
How would they know? And why should they care? The point of the message is that people should be given the chance because their background shouldn't determine what they can achieve in life.

What revelations?

>Teaching kids realistic lessons is edgy

I'm having trouble imagining your childhood.

By getting Peter O'Toole.

It's Pixar's best movie, despite what toyfags tell you

>A good deal just won't try since they're not "great".
This is a problem with children that existed since the beginning of time. It's why perseverance is universally regarded as a virtue.

Yeah Im an edgelord alright but for real what would a real """"good"""" message be for kids then? what should we teach children in these movies?

Wall-E was at least as good.

Yet it failed the "Anyone can cook" message with pasta boy never even becoming competent. I hated Remi for his arrogance.

They should have left it with "Anyone can cook".

Push and praise talented people, don't try and bring them down to make the mediocre people feel better

I have a question: when some one says "put their life on the line" does that mean they expect to get their winnings in the afterlife or that they are betting on a miracle or can it just mean something like being to walk for miles in the dark alone down a secluded highway for a few nights. Are there socially popular accepted definitions for bravery or a widely popular distitinxtion between courageous behavior and depression behavior?

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