What's with the artists in the current industry feeling the need to deflect & damage control all criticism on Twitter with these immature, exaggerated drawings?
What's with the artists in the current industry feeling the need to deflect & damage control all criticism on Twitter...
Henry Lopez
Jason Bell
Because people of today can't take criticism.
Easton James
Manchildren who can't handle anything but headpats and praise.
Henry Collins
Did someone say "Frank Cho"
Jonathan Hughes
Cause they all have thin skin and high opinions of themselves
Now the reason they're all like that is the mystery we gotta solve
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Don't beats me Massa!
Colton Sanders
That isn’t damage control. That’s just immaturity within the professional field. You only ever see artists do this because all artists are immature by nature.
Lucas Sanchez
"We're industry animators and you're not" gives you the high ground, clearly
Landon Cruz
>openly bragging about incompetence and lack of standards
How are these people not fired?
Alexander Martin
America and Canada have no standards, unlike Japan and Europe animation.
Jaxson Wood
This is something that ONLY seems to affect CN artists and I'm not sure why.
Isaiah Taylor
Leo Mitchell
what if you don't get ANY attention?
Juan Kelly
wow, all i want to do is punch this faggot in his chubby fucking face, so damn hard.
fucking shut up!
Lucas Collins
They have never heard the word "no"
Eli Kelly
CN only hires people who have graduated college. Mystery solved.
Nathan Watson
Would you believe there are a ton of people out there who agree with him and respect his opinion on the matter?
Cameron Allen
...but shouldn't the fact that he acknowledges his mistakes and pokes fun at it mean that he's taking it well? It's not like he's boohooing over people complaining. I don't really watch steven universe, but I feel like this thread is a sign is willing to dig for reasons to shit on the creators to the point we're accusing them of not taking criticism. Wew.
Nathaniel Perez
Silly user, it doesn't count if the person has opinions you agree with. That makes them le epic based absolute madmen instead.
Grayson Green
No, it doesn't count when its about ass
Nolan Lewis
Yes
Ryder Bell
whining on twitter about being criticised is not taking criticism well
Aiden Reyes
I thought this was genuinely funny, while also acknowledging his shit art on the show.
I think you guys are extremely autistic if you can't take this as anything but an attack on your sophisticated criticism of children's cartoons.
Mason Phillips
>last night's episode of SU
Why are you trying to stir up shit with a post from 5 years ago?
John Gray
In any society you've basically got four social castes among the working population: The working class (laborers, tradesmen, industrial or agricultural workers), the middle class (office workers, middle-management, merchants, etc), the upper class (academia, law, medicine, technical fields), and the artisan class (writers, musicians, artists, etc).
As far as the first three go, Millenials aren't really that different from any other generation, if anything I'd say they're a little more robust than their counterparts in Generation X or the Boomer generation if simply for the fact that they entered the work force during a difficult economic period and kind of had to learn how to succeed and carve a niche for themselves with very little help from their peers (I hope my generation will be as ambitious in this regard).
The fourth group, the artisans, on the other hand, came into their own in a culture which treated 'creatives' like special little snowflakes - no harsh criticism was allowed in music, art, or writing workshops and everyone had to be told that their lump of crap was just as good and profound as everyone else's. As a consequence, the creatives of this generation are some of the most thin-skinned and easily offended of any in modern history. They can't take criticism, constructive or otherwise, and attack critics with vitriol, venom, and vigor.
Michael Campbell
>...but shouldn't the fact that he acknowledges his mistakes and pokes fun at it mean that he's taking it well?
You are shockingly bad at reading comprehension.
Gabriel Phillips
i believe it but that doesn't make it any less retarded
Adrian Reed
What are they upset about.
David Wright
Some people on this board insist on having an antagonistic relationship with all creators, construing everything like this as slights against them
Carson Mitchell
That's actually not true. Amber Rogers was hired early on in the show because she made a lot of popular fanart. She didn't go to art school/college.
Nolan Davis
>comparing these childish tantrums in the face of technical criticism to Frank Cho defending himself from hateful censors
You both need to be killed in an extremely humiliating and painful fashion.
Gabriel Thomas
he's not wrong, you know.
Evan Watson
wow you have a really long phone
Cameron Perry
>people on this board think they aren't poking fun at themselves
Jonathan Gutierrez
It's not substandard if your company actively encourages this practice. CN likes to cut corners, everyone knows that.
Adam Ortiz
yes because minions was truly a miracle
Camden James
Frank Cho's a bigger baby than any of these twitter fucks. His schtick got old after the first couple ass drawings.
Ian Martin
Well I guess the guy who's currently running Clarence lied.
Jeremiah Kelly
Carter Phillips
He's not acknowledging his mistake. He's dismissing his mistake. I cannot even begin to fathom how fucking retarded you children must be to not grasp this. I need to stop coming here, it is genuinely painful to interact with you subhumans. All I ever wanted was to watch and enjoy cartoons and discuss them with something resembling a human being.
Joseph Allen
>is literally joking about there mistake
Why is the intelligence level of Sup Forums dropping like a sack of rocks? Can nobody detect sarcasm anymore?
Jason Brown
Point me to one (1) instance of Frank Cho reacting poorly to legitimate criticism, and not some stupid smelly whore or numale whining that he drew a hot girl.
Tyler Perez
The reasons:
-"Artsy" people are sensitive to begin with
-People in general are more sensitive to criticism because everything has to be liked by everyone now
-The artists usually come from "higher education" aka college so they were likely coddled
-Social media gives an inflated sense of importance
-Interacting too closely with your own fan base. Sometimes it's better to keep your distance so you stay in control of your creations.
-They're millennials
-Modern artists subscribe to the "muh subjectivity" notion that everything is OK, which is a cop out for criticisms
Zachary Cooper
dead show
Tyler Thompson
>OUTRAGE!
he's the biggest baby of them all.
Tyler Russell
Manchildren who whine about cartoons deserves to be mocked.
Isaiah Green
i don't know who any of these fucking people are because i'm a grown man and don't watch cartoons but it's called a "joke"
Colton Adams
>Interacting too closely with your own fan base.
that's all that needed to be said. Twitter was a good idea but absolutely shit without proper regulation. If they meet fans in person at a convention, they'll be much more receptive and less likely to walk away with bad feelings.
Logan Lopez
>He's not acknowledging his mistake. He's dismissing his mistake
Wrong. He literally admitted he drew the hair incorrectly
I need to stop coming here, it is genuinely painful to interact with you subhumans.
Good. Back to plebbit you go.
Justin Anderson
Oh so you admit you have no idea wtf you're talking about, good, thanks for your input retard.
Michael Nguyen
the america map mouth is a little funny though you gotta admit
Jose Williams
Dude, he's being sarcastic. Go read the rest of the posts around that. He understands there was criticism in how he drew the hair, but he doesn't think what he did was wrong; he's mocking the people who told him what he did was wrong.
Blake Nelson
The America mouth gag is hilarious. I wish they would work to make the actual show that funny.
Ethan Morris
No, he didn't. He was literally being sarcastic in response to people saying he drew their hair too big.
Not being able to understand sarcasm is a sign of autism.
Bentley Lee
I'm not shitting on someone who trolls that beautifully
Wyatt Campbell
Nice Samsung Supercluster there mate
William Roberts
But if I told this faggot that it's a miracle that the Bible, written by over 50 different authors over the course of a thousand years, is full of internal consistency and is one of the worlds most natural progressions of narrative when the books are put together chronologically by time of writing, he'd say I was full of shit!
Or if I explained how carpentry works and construction and all the tricks of the trade that make blue collar jobs ten thousand times more "miraculous" than cartooning, he'd scoff like a little bitch.
It's not a "miracle" that a group of retards got together and made a bad cartoon. Get your dick out of your mouth.
David Howard
What happened to the chain smoking draughtsman that was the pillar of the animation industry?
James Lee
>there
Asher Wright
>anything that takes collaboration is a miracle
John Morgan
I mean, I agree but.
Noah Gutierrez
thats some valid criticism, i gave my musician friend some honest criticism but he couldn't handle it. in retrospect it was rude of me to say the things i said but that didn't make them any less true. hes still working at a pizza place alongside some of my old friends
Juan White
I want to see the tiny hairs from the episode.
Grayson Gutierrez
>What's with the artists in the current industry
Let's cut the shit there's only one group of people doing this and it's everyone involved with Steven Universe. I don't what it is about that show that attracted so many manchild artists and storyboarders but there you go.
People could never take criticism
Easton Kelly
>...but shouldn't the fact that he acknowledges his mistakes and pokes fun at it mean that he's taking it well?
That`s what people like that must believe, yes.
Dominic Harris
Oh man the miracle of ‘I will work for you for money’
Jaxon Collins
Speaking as an artist who mostly does freelance stuff, I don't really value the opinion of other artists outside of super technical things about technique. A lot of them back in art school really were hyper sensitive or had glaring personality issues. I'm finding as I get older obsessing with the approval of other artists is a very sophmoric thing.
At the end of the day as an artist you aren't building things for your clique or some critic. You're making it for members of the general population who either don't have a liberal or fine arts degree, or if they do it's in a mostly unrelated field. The opinion of Joe Blow on the street is thus more valuable once you know what you're doing because it's closer to how your end product will be viewed in the field.
Michael Sanders
Stop pretending to be me
Jaxson Young
It would be IF Lamar planned on getting better as an artist.
But he does not, so.
Ryder Jones
The thing about big company artists is they're the people who want to work for (specific company) because that's how they grew up, and refuse to realize that in most cases the pay is shit, hours are long, and the job isn't that great. Cartoon Network is just the most visible because most of its top talent walked off like five years ago and they're the cheapest and lowest rated network consistently. The people there are the bottom rung of the tv scene.
Benjamin Green
my friend was trying to be the next ed sheeran but his songs were horrible to listen too. i dont know anything about music criticism but they were just too damn cringy to listen too
Id like to be a writer some day and ive flirted with the idea of writing comics but that shit is really hard. I can freewrite on a page with ideas ive had in my head but when it comes to comics i need to look at the layouts, transition my thoughts and such, and also created writing that isnt trash
Hunter Thomas
they do this just to trigger you
you make a million threads a day about this, it's pretty funny how bothered you get
Christopher Green
We're not playing this game user,only one of us has an autistic obsession with the correct waifu, and I bet my left shoe lace that you don't even have my signed waifu chart, now let these kind anons carry on with there e celeb drama thread and be done with it.
Liam Adams
The thing is if you want to be a writer just look at examples of the format and just write.
I remember when I started getting into media I realized most scripts and production drawings were garbage anyway and it was the most liberating experience of my career. If you even do a test for somewhere like Telltale games you can almost feel the smug self satisfaction radiating off the page. If you work on an average film or tv set those scripts are usually weekly drivel thrown together on a schedule so they aren't the next great American work waiting to happen. I've seen fucking stupid writers get work pretty fast just because they have a half decent content and there's always a producer looking.
Just figure out your format and go with it. Once you know how something is done the actual creative shit is easy.
Anthony Thomas
"Outrage" is directly taking the piss out of Spider-Gwen's creator, who got triggered over Cho drawing her in the Manara pose, ie not a legitimate criticism, roastie.
Mason Rogers
Lol tripfaggots gonna trip
Easton Diaz
>they draw a silly little thing
>you're the one in a spluttering rage about how they're immature and doing 'damage control'
Have you considered that it is in fact you who are the snowflake
John Young
real mature of cho.
Oliver Edwards
Wait you're upset that some artist made joke picture replies on Twitter?
This is literally taking their trolling serious.
Zachary Diaz
Don't you have something better to do than troll on Sup Forums?
Michael Lopez
William Rivera
Better dead than a zombie like Shitter Universe
Landon Miller
Why are you guys doing this? I don't have a trip
Parker Ramirez
quit being jealous
Jaxon Adams
Isaiah Lewis
That's because they're all sheep or they don't want to ruin their chances of getting in the industry
Joshua Adams
>Artist refuses to accept technical criticism.
This is the sign of someone with a fragile ego. NEVER at any point can you deflect technical criticism as an artist.
You can argue intent, you can argue style, but you can not argue your poor technical skills.
And as much as the SU crew pretend to want open styles, Lack of cohesion to storyboards is a lack of technical skill.
William Nelson
>Bible...is full of internal consistency
I should have stopped reading there
Dominic Murphy
I don't know, I'm kind of digging the pomopadour Lapis has going on.
Caleb Richardson
Good question for yourself
>Sup Forums files
I've never used them lurk more.
Nathan Hall
>Bible
>Consistent and natural progression
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Connor Nguyen
>9 months
>11 minutes
Samuel Fisher
>That's not close to what he was saying
That was exactly what he was saying, what the hell?
Ian Diaz
Hey, it's okay. Sup Forums gets off-model bullshit too.
Connor Collins
I don't watch Dragon Ball, what's the problem here?
Hudson Johnson
Yes you should respect the dude harassing you for ruining his "baby", literally two characters fused together.
Do you define Ken Penders when people make fun of him in their art too?
It's not a joke, it's passive agressiveness that's hiding their true feelings. Owen Dennis made a similar image a month ago about "bean mouths" and when he got rid of the sarcastic filter we got this post this week:
Jayden Green
it's off-model, albeit way better animated than anything CN's produced lately
Levi Ortiz
The thing about off model is going off model used to be about pushing a gag with a specific expression or animation to underline the gag or sequence. But it's just to emphasize an individual storyboarders style now.
This is important because it stops the drawing from being about the show, and now it's about the guy drawing the drawing. But the audience doesn't give a fuck about the guy drawing the storyboard. They care about the show.
Ethan Morales
>if it was so smart, why is it dead?
Brayden Edwards
Because most of them are webcomic/deviantart/tumblr creatures who are used to living in bubbles where they control discourse and everyone largely jerks them off. Same with coming from art schools. They lack any sense of humility and see criticism (even meanspirited criticism) not as motivation to get better but as something that must be combated because their ego has been bruised.
Indeed many of these people do not feel that they should get better. Why should they when drawing nice pinups on tumblr or having the right friends means you can get a job in comics or animation easy? The animation studios themselves lack any true leadership or taskmaster to make sure that things are up to par and it's all just laissez faire "yeah do whatever, have fun" hijinks for them.