When did South Park start to suck? What went wrong?

When did South Park start to suck? What went wrong?

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When it started to pander to weekly events of the news to lampoon

They didn't listen to the Mad Philosophy of picking on everyone like they originally did and started listening to elites rather than the regular person who the show was originally ment to entertain.

When it started being based on the adults

>I disagree with them politically therefore they suck

Tweek and Craig saved the show.

Pretty much. Every single southpark episode feels dated because they’ve always just based their episodes on the news. Retards are just now noticing it based on the news, because retards are finally old enough to understand the news.

As the other anons said, they started to base entire episodes on current news instead of making witty and quick references to them and moving on with an actual story.

Now, in case Trey and Matt are lurking, post your ideas for the next season.

There are several videos and articles about it. the main one I agree with is that that they stopped having the characters get in trouble and deal with those consequences but that they find a message and make up a plot around that message. For example in the documentary about South Park they are trying to come up with ideas and one of them is the crack baby basketball episode. Their idea is an episode about college basketball players not being paid instead of an idea centered around the boys doing an activity or getting into trouble. So they are making up a plot to have the boys somehow get involved with college basketball. That just doesn't work for the characters. All their ideas are about things they don't like and how they can criticize it. Like that one episode that only exists to criticize that one anti-bullying video. And this causes "and then" storytelling.

Cartmand and Clyde become roommates after Cartmans mum and Clydes dad hook up.

Reality became too goofy to satire.

>As the other anons said, they started to base entire episodes on current news
Like always. Nothing has changed about this, south park has always been about mocking what's current.

I'd like to see a season arch where they pull a lord of the flies and the kids are left to fend fot themselves.

They stopped making fun of other people and started making fun of me

I’m mean go back and watch the episodes with yknow Saddam or Michael Jackson. They’re cringy because it’s like “man remember when this was relevant.”

End of season 14, After "Coon Vs Coon And Friends", the fallout from 200/201 is probably directly related, still some good episodes every once in a while, hell even this last season had a couple of good ones like the Hummel one.

Season 9 or 10 for me. That's when the show went from using topical subjects as a jumping point for the plot to using topical subjects as the plot.

So an extended version of the Children of the Corn episode?

they already did that.

>What went wrong?
It just went on for too long like any other show that goes past 10 seasons.

They stop the continuity they started half way through the season but only Stan remembers all of it and and every other episode since the first and it turns out that Trapper Keeper Cartman had fused with the world since his first appearance and everything he had experienced was some stupid matrix shit, but near the end of the episode he gives a speech about how META awareness isn't smart or clever it's just kinda lazy and contrived and he wakes up from it all, turns out it was a dream and he goes back to school he enters his classroom and Mr.Garrison is teaching the class and no one was aware of him ever being president except Stan but he says "That's lame." the end.

It's all poplarizing politcal driven, they've gone the way of Colbert and Kimmel.

hey i like this
but now they aren't allowed to use it in the show.

Stan becomes a Furry-Otherkin unaware of the sexual connections of the "culture" and is trying to go to a Furcon to "yiff" without knowing what it means. Cartman tries to kill him via ACME products, episode is framed as a Looney Tunes cartoon narratively. Not until the end of the episode is it revealed that it isn't because he know what Furries are like one would expect, but because he actually thought Stan actually became a werecreature.

B-plot: Randy misunderstands the situation and thinks Stan might not be his son, after some KEK shit he concludes that Stan is his son and it is just because "Sharon is a bitch" This is of course after he already invited some dude over to fuck her while he watches without her telling her leading her to attack the dude in self-defense thinking he was a rapist.

This

I feel like its a continuity problem.

I like South park, even the new seasons are somewhat enjoyable, I just think its weird that they went for continuity instead of having every episode be its own fully fleshed out story, like they were known for. Its no longer what wacky adventure the boys are going to get into this time, now the focus is on what is being affected and by who. The Mr.Garrison as trump storyline is fucked, I wished they'd just drop it, not because of any personal prejudices, but because its too easy, When Obama was elected, they spun the whole thing into a heist movie and it was perfect, Obama even stayed president but wasn't referenced again until he was relevant to another story.

Look, point is, I feel that in an attempt to tell and build a lasting story with consequences and continuity, they lost a part of what made South Park what it is, its not necessarily bad, but its tone is noticeably different in a weird way.

why not?

Canadian Trump >>> Garrison Trump

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south park was always topical.

This.

South Park didn't move to suck-town, Reality moved toward South Park so now we're used to the madness.

If you’re upset it’s too politically driven; Sorry you grew out of liberalism while your heroes didn’t.

Season 18 had the best balance of continuity with the episodic format. Except for the last two, most of the episodes could stand alone but the small carryovers from previous episodes were fun.

I thought Season 19 did really will with world building and continuity, and PC principle was a great new character which we loved to hate but grew as a character to being genuinely likable. It could of been one of the greatest seasons if it didn't end so poorly.

They ran out of original ideas and started to use recent events as a crutch

I really like s19 but it was very different from standard South Park. Not that it was necessarily a bad thing because it was executed well that season, but still.

Nowadays episodes are worse. I can still watch the Al Gore episode and, while it's obviously dated since no one hears about Al Gore anymore, I can still find it funny because the ManBearPig was a ridiculously absurd and memorable concept, and the boys trapped in that cave was also funny.

Season 19 onwards feels dated already. Principal PC, the ads subplots and the Garrison-Trump thing, memberberries and the Heidi plot got old really quickly, and there's way less rewatching value.

>somebody made fun of Trump
>bait thread on Sup Forums
Gee, how unexpected.

When the kids stop being the focus of the show and instead it was a desperate attempt to be topical.

IT got even worse when it basicially because the the Randy Show guest starring the kids.

I didn't like the season when they made fun of SJWs either.

How'd you not like season 19? Its certainly the strongest recent season.

Not that guy but that is just being the least smelly shit on Mt.Turd.

Trump shit isn't even the worst thing to come out of those new seasons. The Heidi/Cartman subplot was just unbearable. It wasn't funny, it wasn't smart. It was cringy at it's best.

I rate season 19 up there with the best seasons, the whole building the town to be better with whole foods with every episode connecting while giving original stories, but the final episodes about ads were pretty mediocre.

Why are they afraid to make fun of Trump directly?

Everyone is already making fun of Trump. They also want to do it, but they don't want to be so obvious. Not that the Garrison Trump thing is smart, but it's the best they could come up with

Personally, I think it started when they started being more topical and having these season-long plot threads. It was already there with the Whole Foods thing, but that was at least a little bit funnier than the current stuff.
Yes, older episodes were topical, too. Chinpokomon is an example. But "Cartman Joins Nambla" and the shit with the turkey uprising and the whole sequence with Lemmiwinks in Mr. Slave's ass are timeless. The new episodes are funny once or twice.

>They also want to do it, but they don't want to be so obvious. Not that the Garrison Trump thing is smart, but it's the best they could come up with

So they're shit writers?

You can't mock something that embraces mockery. Matt and Trey are good writers, they know this, so they try to do something interesting with people or groups that aren't really affected by mockery. Mormons, for example, and, yes, Trump.

Making fun of people that get really, really butthurt about mockery, like SJWs and radical leftists and rednecks and conspiracy theorists, is easy and fun.

They genuinely didn't expect Trump to have any chance of winning and Garrison hadn't done in anything notable for a long time, so he seemed like a suitable fill-in for the sake of a long joke.
The problems arose because Trump actually won with Garrison still being the fill-in.

>You can't mock something that embraces mockery

I don't think that applies here

>Making fun of people that get really, really butthurt about mockery, like SJWs and radical leftists and rednecks and conspiracy theorists, is easy and fun.

Sounds like Trump. Any they do take shot at him anyway but they just kinda dilute it for no reason

>trump
>embrancing and not being affected by mockery

Are you fucking joking?

This wouldn't have happened it they had followed their "no picking sides" rule.

That rule hasn't been a thing since they became syndicated.

Not sure when it started to suck but season 20 was basically rock bottom.

They didn't have a plan for Obama not winning either. It's just that they got it wrong this time and screwed over their own running plot.

trump election episode was the end of the descend. they really didnt see that coming and they hated it.

after that, its just scrapping the bottom of the barrel

when trump won and it threw them off

would have been fine if they saw him winning

right, but wasn't there an episode at the end of one of the recent seasons called
>the end of serialization
the name of that episode gave me hope, why couldn't they just have everything go back to normal, they really didn't need to keep up the Trump thing

>Make fun of thing
HAHAHA
>Make fun of other thing
HAHAHA
>Make fun of yet another thing
HAHAHA
>Make fun of Drumpfy
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>Nothing has changed about this, south park has always been about mocking what's current.
Did you start watching during season 5 or something? I know that "Butter's Very Own Episode" is typically the gateway episode for many secondaries but come on, even then the current-events faggotry was relatively minimal.

>literally no one is complaining about the garrison stuff
>people pointing out a lot of other things they didn't like
>"h-he he. l-look at how the Sup Forumstards are butthurt"

Why do you bother replying if you're gonna be a faggot who didn't even read the thread?

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literally the worst kind of poster

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God fucking damn it.

He's not President for no reason, user. Like it or not the guy knows how to manipulate mockery to benefit him. The mockery leveled against him has literally achieved the opposite of its intended effect.

>I don't think that applies here
Did you miss the part where Trump was elected President?

When Trey started phoning it in to pay for his wife's son's expenses.

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>Hurr South Park was always about current events

Why are there so many faggots in this thread repeating this shit? Sure, South Park has always based their episodes on the current cultural zeitgeist, and yes, most of their episodes were dated, but they still didn't write their episodes based on yesterday's fucking news. They didn't make that anti-smoking episode the day after an anti-smoking campaign started in schools. The entire 20th season was written days before it aired, and Trey and Matt admitted that it hurt the quality of the show. That was completely unprecedented.

While they do have their moments, and a few gems, I can't deny that Seasons 19-21 have been a bit rocky.

I wish they'd go back to how season 18 did continuity. Some episodes leading into eachother through cause and effect, and a few minor references here and there, but there wasnt really much of a story arc at all besides maybe "Randy is Lorde" which is only relevant in episode 3 and the two-part finale. Season 21 started off like it was going back to this style, but unfortunately became too story arc reliant again in the second half.

Season 4's episode about Quintuplets was based on an event that week it aired.

>look up her name on google images
>links to archived Sup Forums threads

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You did not meme trump into presidency Sup Forums. You literally got duped by Cambridge analytica

when you turn 15

If that's true, then why can't trumptards take a joke about the president? People voted for trump for the exact opposite reason, they thought trump would somehow magically stop people from making fun of them.

10/10

>The entire 20th season was written days before it aired, and Trey and Matt admitted that it hurt the quality of the show. That was completely unprecedented.
What they meant hurt the quality of the show was attempting a full serialized approach to writing while still following the 6 days, not that they "started" doing the episodes in 6 days. They've been doing episodes within 6 days since as early as season 4.

>Drumpfy
>unironically use that and other variants
Dumblr, please. Cheeto is more creative.

Take off your nostalgia goggles, the first 3 seasons suck, Matt and Trey officially disowned that randumb shit in the DVD commentaries. And I'm truly sorry Trumpbabbys get triggered by fucking Mr Garrison.

>the first 3 seasons suck

Fuck you, fuck everyone you love and fuck Trey and Matt. The pre-movie seasons are the GOAT south park seasons and they won't reach that levels of quality ever again

Just go watch Mr Pickles or Superjail, you mouth drooling retard.

>i'm gonna compare three completely different shows

So this is how a brainlet sees the world?

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Is this a happy ending?

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They did a Terri Schiavo episode the day before they pulled the plug, fuck off mate.

Right after this, Henrietta posts that playing and being glad isn't goth.
Karen has to choose between being goth or having a good relationship with her brother.

Super jail is pretty based. If you can't appreciate it, you're a fucking soy

pol is leaking again

MOOOOOOOOOOODS!!!!!

>has to choose between being alone or being constantly miserable to be accepted in a subculture

bravo kenneth

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Shortly after the movie was released.

>too many new characters
>too much focus on tech ie:smartphones

IMO, Season 1 and 2 are hit and miss. And I generally enjoy season 3.

Do you think she'll grow up to be a whore like her brother?

>>too many new characters
But the other kids are great. Even Butters was just a background character when the movie came out.

No focus on the kids at all anymore, same trump jokes I can see on everything else on comedy central.

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>background character
Butters is the only one welcomed by me. The others are try-hard

Since she's a poorfag it's a good 60% chance she'll end up a crack whore like her mom

Making story arcs after current events.

Does Sup Forums understand the reason no show panders to them? Do they get that it would be a terrible financial decision and garuntee it's cancellation due to the controversy on its own?

literally the only posters talking about Sup Forums are the anti-Sup Forums fags. quote one, ONE (1) post that is complaining about the portrayal of Trump. I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker

>Does Sup Forums understand the reason no show panders to them? D
this isn't Sup Forums who are you talking to?

>acting like OP wasn't referencing an argument just like this with their image.
Yeah, apparently I'm way off topic.
Figured I'd be asking Sup Forums since last I checked we were on Sup Forums

>Donald Trump will be the death of South Park

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I definatly want this to happen. Cartman and Clyde do a step bros parody.